Was fatigue part of the explanation for the second half fade?
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Very likely.
When a player’s shot is short, it makes we think the legs are tired and not converting from a stop to elevation!
Please stop.
They’re superbly conditioned young athletes…not you
Honest question. Whether travel or conditioning it's definitely a possibility. Doesn't excuse anything
Tough to win in the road in this league. Legs are part of it and definitely affects shooting but we seemed slower in the 2nd half too for loose balls and rebounds. Everyone is playing more than usual. Mag played a lot of High energy minutes for us. Guys have stepped up a little. Two tough road losses suck but it’s just a bump in the road.
Take care of business at home and steal a game or two on the road. Win a game in the BIG tourney and then hopefully get hot for for the dance. Guys need to step up for us to make a run.
Take care of business at home and steal a game or two on the road. Win a game in the BIG tourney and then hopefully get hot for for the dance. Guys need to step up for us to make a run.
well lets see is legs a reason Cam didnt hit anything
was legs a reason Cliff cant stay on the court
this is big boy hoops
was legs a reason Cliff cant stay on the court
this is big boy hoops
Don’t think so. We are not a quick/athletic team especially in the back court. We tend to look slow against the more athletic teams in the conference in wins and in losses.
Team can’t shoot. A few rim-outs, but one looked like it was aimed at the outer edge of the arc on the floor. 
Young impeccably conditioned young men with 4 days off don’t lose their legs.
It’s highly probable. Arguing it’s not a factor at all is illogical. Second half fade is a classic sign of fatigue in basketball
Rutgers has been a mediocre shooting team against B1G Ten competition.Opponents are limiting Cam shots and moving Cliff away from basket for dunks.Caleb and Paul have good and bad games and Hyatt also lacks consistent scoring.Bottom line defense is good enough to win most games but the mediocre offense prevents it from happening.Scoring is sliding from around 65 points to the 60 point plateau.
Logic? You’ve come to the wrong place.
Guys who play mediocre D don’t get tired. Three games on the road in one week requires great D and timely shooting. Legs looked great second half against MSU. They were okay at Indiana. They looked tired those last 9 minutes of the game today.
You’re old enough to remember what Vince Lombardi said about using fatigue as an excuse.
How many days rest do people think a team needs before tired legs won't be a factor?
20 year old elite athletes playing on Tuesday then Saturday is not enough rest? Do they need a full week between games?
20 year old elite athletes playing on Tuesday then Saturday is not enough rest? Do they need a full week between games?
We play hard on defense some say!
Michael Jordan was one the greatest defensive player in basketball history, didn’t hurt is offense
Not quite Zap. I clearly remember the 69 Mets and Knicks though.
This is not an excuse. We don’t need an excuse to lose to Indiana and Illinois on the road. But I know from playing this game that Defense takes more energy than offense. Run and gun teams can run all game long and play every night. But playing tough D is a whole different ballgame and we just need to guys to collectively replace a monster defensive player. They can do it.
Let’s be honest. Whatever the truth is, that is an unfair comparison for any player/team.
With all due respect to you as a highly respected and successful former professional athlete, your specialty of baseball is obviously different than certain other sports like basketball, when hours of traveling long distances by plane or bus can have more of a negative effect on leg and joint inflammation/fatigue, circulation, lactic acid levels in legs, etc, due to the nature of the sport... The fact that basketball is played on a harder surface can result in more joint stress as well, that requires more time to resolve..
So in some cases, less time off and having to travel long distances prior to a game may have a greater negative effect on performance in certain sports (those that require more continuous stress and subsequent lactic acid accumulation in the leg muscles and inflammation in the leg muscles and joints), and especially when the sport involves little rest for the athlete during the course of the game, like in basketball, soccer, etc.
No, I think it’s still some figuring out what to do without Mag.
This is ridiculous. Professional basketball players, which includes guys in their mid 30s, are playing longer games and generally playing 4 games a week. Teenagers should have no issues playing a couple games a week.
I think some people are mistaking endurance for stamina. As a 18-22 year old, I can probably play basketball everyday and feel good doing it. If I’m going max effort every day though, for example, I just might not elevate as much as I did the day before/2 days ago and there’s not much I can do about it, but try to recover as much as I can. Whatever fitness level you’re at, you can always test your limit further.
I think we still could’ve done better, but I wouldn’t rule muscle fatigue completely out.
I think we still could’ve done better, but I wouldn’t rule muscle fatigue completely out.
Interesting post, since that had nothing to do with the purpose of my post. My point was that significant travel, and less rest, can very well have a negative effect on performance, and especially in certain sports, regardless of the team involved.
You have this 2/3 correct
1. wRONG it is/could be a factor
2. Correct…They are superbly conditoned
3. Correct… he probably isnt
Three games in a week. All away from the RAC.
No other team has to run this gauntlet and don’t think a factor?
SMH!!!
No other team has to run this gauntlet and don’t think a factor?
SMH!!!
Not ridiculous if you know anything about physiology..... And it depends on the individual player, how many minutes they play, whether they have nagging injuries that take more time to resolve after a game, IF THEY PLAY MORE EXHAUSTING DEFENSE or offense than many NBA teams play, etc, etc... And rarely is a college player held out of a game to rest... And if you think that the ONLY reason home records are usually much better than away records is because of the home team's fans or arena, I want some of what you're smoking. And I'm also willing to bet a vasectomy that not all collegiate teams have travel conditions that are as comfortable, luxurious, and spacious as NBA teams have... (smile)
In the NBA they play defense much harder than they do in college. You have to play straight up man for 48 minutes and there is much less help. The reason you think they don’t play defense in the NBA is because the players are so skilled offensively, they can score on anyone, even when you play perfect defense. Most of the Rutgers players wouldn’t even been able to score a single point in an NBA game.
I can also say from experience that having certain nagging chronic injuries (in my case chondromalacia patella and residual effects of torn lower back ligaments, both due to basketball injuries) definitely required more rest to heal and allow maximum performance. The more times I played and abused the chronic injuries without giving the resultant inflammation enough time to subside, the more it affected speed, jumping abillity, and performance in general. And that was despite being in excellent physical condition (both aerobically and anaerobically).
Also, for any athlete with chronic problems like certain knee issues or back issues, sitting for long periods, like occurs with extended travel, can aggravate the condition, causing additional inflammation and pain, in which case performance during upcoming games may be affected...
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I'll check a few NBA games out to see what you mean, and to see if they really do work a lot harder than RU does on defense.
But along with my other points, the fact that certain accommodations on the road may not provide the best rest/sleep when compared to home is also a possible factor that could possibly have a slight effect on performance in some cases, especially with significant traveling and multiple road games in a row.
And I want to make it clear that I'm not suggesting that RU lost because of tired legs. I'm only disagreeing with those who seem to be claiming that significant traveling, multiple road games, and tired legs should have little to no effect on the performance of collegiate basketball athletes.
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Did Hyatt miss that dunk because he’s tired. Did Dean miss easy opportunities because of fatigue?
Yes.Are we the most fatigued team in the country?
It’s because we played at Madison Square Garden.
The OP's question was if fatigue was PART of the explanation for the second half fade, not if it was the only explanation for the second half fade. Even if it wasn't a major reason why RU faded badly, I find it hard to understand how some people can insist or argue that fatigue couldn't have been a factor at all.
There are obviously dozens of possible situations and factors that may be unique to the athlete or his team, that could result in even the best conditioned athlete becoming a little more easily fatigued during any given game.
There are obviously dozens of possible situations and factors that may be unique to the athlete or his team, that could result in even the best conditioned athlete becoming a little more easily fatigued during any given game.
Some of our soccer players put in 90 minutes in one game. Only some of our basketball players are putting 90 to 100 minutes over three games. Fatigue should not be a factor.