Where is it stated that Leo took money from State? I haven't kept up with this as much as most, but that's what the OM clowns keep repeating.
Leo.
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Gotta love people who claim national writers have an agenda but the words of a guy who went to Ole Miss are treated as absolute fact.
How would
he know? Weren't the discussions between Leo and the NCAA confidential? An om graduate writing this doesn't seem odd, either.****
he know? Weren't the discussions between Leo and the NCAA confidential? An om graduate writing this doesn't seem odd, either.****
According to the UMiss response and Terry Warren's lawsuit, Leo admitted getting money from another University during his NCAA interviews. Of course everyone believes it was MSU, but the name of the University was reportedly redacted from the Lewis transcripts. I suppose it could have been LSU, but there's a legit question whether an MSU booster gave him money.
If his name, that was redacted, was leaked & the University, that was redacted, in question was MSU why would that not have been leaked as well?
They illogically deduced it. Took it from the testimony they weren't supposed to reveal. Leo didn't name Msu.
NCAA doesn't work that way. They reveal to the offending school what testimony reveals against them only. This is to prevent exactly what om is attempting now. Deflection. They want one thing. For the offending school to show evidence they aren't guilty as charged. What others do or have done is not relevant.
Om only wants to even the score with "everyone" does it. The COI has NONE of that b/c that isn't their mission.
If one reads they way these things go, it's easy to see om will suffer.
Our fate is separate. And the NCAA isn't going to jeopardize that with some petty "you're another" fallacy.
Possibly. But you only hear that from them. Lewis' name has been referenced by other media that doesn't have an axe to grind. The institution in question has not.
The only source for MSU having paid Leo is UM lawyers via Godfrey. You'll notice if you go back and read his article, he has direct testimony from Leo relating to Ole Miss, but no direct quotes relating to anything else.
I believe that there isn't any testimony from Leo regarding MSU, only the tape of his (alleged) Mom (allegedly) claiming 80K and 650K. Funny how that one never got leaked, right?
It took me some digging to remember where I saw this, but there was this little tidbit from Farrar's personal response to the NCAA which is publicly available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B909UsP9KWC8dVREVWQ4V0dKem8/view
When discussing the allegations of "SA 39" receiving money from Booster 14, Farrar says,
"As discussed to some extent earlier in this introduction, [redacted] is a current football student-
athlete at [redacted, but it obviously says MSU]. As is commonly known, [redacted MSU again] and Ole Miss are rivals. [redacted] accepted $11,000 to sign with [redacted MSU again]."
Its hard to imagine that Barney was saying SA 39 is a student athlete at MSU and accepted $11,000 to sign with LSU. Farrar had to believe the University in question was MSU. He cited pages from Lewis' testimony transcript, but of course we don't have access to that.
When discussing the allegations of "SA 39" receiving money from Booster 14, Farrar says,
"As discussed to some extent earlier in this introduction, [redacted] is a current football student-
athlete at [redacted, but it obviously says MSU]. As is commonly known, [redacted MSU again] and Ole Miss are rivals. [redacted] accepted $11,000 to sign with [redacted MSU again]."
Its hard to imagine that Barney was saying SA 39 is a student athlete at MSU and accepted $11,000 to sign with LSU. Farrar had to believe the University in question was MSU. He cited pages from Lewis' testimony transcript, but of course we don't have access to that.
All you guys need to know as it pertains to this matter was that the NCAA investigated Leo's recruitment by State and LSU, and closed each investigation because there was no credible evidence to support the charges. No spin...FACT. Add to it that our compliance office has followed up with the NCAA and has been told aGAIN that we are all clear.
Us getting in trouble for anything pertaining to Leo (or any other component of their NCAA case) is a rebel pipe dream concocted by the retard wing of their fan base, and advanced by the low-intelligent, gullible sheep still stupid enough to pay 10 bucks a month to be lied to. Everyone needs to sleep easy and stop worrying about it.
Us getting in trouble for anything pertaining to Leo (or any other component of their NCAA case) is a rebel pipe dream concocted by the retard wing of their fan base, and advanced by the low-intelligent, gullible sheep still stupid enough to pay 10 bucks a month to be lied to. Everyone needs to sleep easy and stop worrying about it.
I'm not
worried. I'm just interested where they're getting this bs from. They speak on it as if it is fact.
worried. I'm just interested where they're getting this bs from. They speak on it as if it is fact.
They've done that about a lot of stuff. Like the Mullen collusion stuff, for example.
Bottom line to me is even if it was a fact, they still lose.
Barney stated an assumption by saying "it's common knowledge" that Leo took 11,000 to go to State because OM paid him 10,000. There is absolutely no evidence to support this. Dipshit Godfrey took Barney's words as fact
No, my quote was hard to read, but Barney said it is "common knowledge" that MSU and OM are rivals. He then said that Lewis accepted $11,000 to sign with MSU, and cited pages of Lewis' testimony.
Now, we don't know what's in those transcripts, but it was enough for people on the Ole Miss side to say that Lewis admitted getting money from a second school, and to believe that school was MSU.
I don't think it makes sense to say there is no evidence supporting that conclusion.
ETA: I'm not saying that Lewis got money from an MSU booster, or that MSU will face any type of blowback. I'm just saying there is likely something in Lewis' testimony to support the claim he got money from a second school, likely MSU.
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Today Not a Fan suggested that the only school that there is evidence of Leo taking money from is Mississippi State. I really don't know what he was talking about unless he was just saying that because Leo signed with State we know he took money from State and we can only speculate about other schools. I don't think that's how other non Ole Miss fans see it though.
It depends on your definition of "evidence" I guess. Anything that comes from an article rewriting Ole Miss' response to the NCAA with Godfrey filling in the redacted parts with his guess is not evidence to me.
It would be more noble of an effort to figure out where OM came up with the assumption that State tipped them off when the NCAA said it was a "non-SEC school".
It would be more noble of an effort to figure out where OM came up with the assumption that State tipped them off when the NCAA said it was a "non-SEC school".
Once aGAIN, I'm not sure why we care what anyone thinks about the whole thing. The NCAA said there's no credible evidence and cleared us. Game. Set. Match. Any further commentary on the matter is ********. That's what ole miss media want us to do. The bottom line is that Leo was in Kentucky this week talking about what ole miss gave him, not us or anyone else
I'm not quoting Godfrey, I'm quoting Barney Farrar's response to the NCAA, available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B909UsP9KWC8dVREVWQ4V0dKem8/view
On pages 4 and 19 of that response, Farrar is clearly talking about Leo Lewis' receiving money from Smith. Farrar says that Lewis recived $11,000 to sign with [redacted], but the redacted portion is a small, three letter block, and we all know Lewis signed with MSU. Farrar cites a page of Lewis' testimony to support that statement.
We don't know what Lewis said regarding receiving money from any school other than UMiss, but don't just put your head in the sand and claim that Farrar's attorney is making this up. There's something in the transcripts.
Godfrey's article actually helps us out here, because he says that it is unknown whether Lewis was talking about MSU in those transcripts but that the UMiss lawyers had some reason to think it was MSU. Farrar's attorney obviously thought so, too. Godfrey also tells us the NCAA looked into MSU over this and dropped it.
But I would still like to see what's in those transcripts....
In that same document, Barney also said he's not guilty of any violations. Do you find it hard to believe that Farrar was telling the truth about what he believed in that part too? Barney is trying to save his *** and discredit his accusers any way he can in that document. Telling the truth was the last thing on his attorney's mind when he wrote that. I'm not saying that Leo did or didn't take money from us, but Barney Farrer and Steven Godfrey saying he did doesn't give me any reason to think that he did.
I'm just saying they pointed to a specific part of Leo's testimony to support that statement. Don't know what that testimony said, and obviously the panel can read it for themselves and decide if they agree. But I don't think they are just making this up out of thin air. (Although I will admit that I have been involved in litigation where opposing counsel claimed a witness "admitted" XYZ, and then when I read the cited portion of the transcript I don't see anything close to what the other side says is in there). It is also interesting that the NCAA reply brief didn't even address this issue (as far as I recall, I'm not going to go back and read that whole thing).
It is possible that Leo said nothing about receiving money from another school, but we don't know. Attorneys on the UMiss side claim he did, and I haven't seen any rebuttal of that argument, so I suspect he at least said something that could be construed that way.
It is possible that Leo said nothing about receiving money from another school, but we don't know. Attorneys on the UMiss side claim he did, and I haven't seen any rebuttal of that argument, so I suspect he at least said something that could be construed that way.
If Lewis had said "I took $_____ from MSU," then Farrar SURELY would have quoted that in his response. He did not. Instead, he used sweeping, generic language to characterize what Lewis said (aka "spin").
I remember reading that in Farrar's response and thinking the same as you. But there's a reason they didn't quote him. Usually, in the legal world, that reason is because they didn't exactly say what you are arguing they said.
I remember reading that in Farrar's response and thinking the same as you. But there's a reason they didn't quote him. Usually, in the legal world, that reason is because they didn't exactly say what you are arguing they said.
The question was, "where is it stated that Leo took money from State?". I answered it. Farrar's response says it, and cites to a portion of Leo's testimony for that claim. No, we really don't know what Leo said, but it seems biased to just blow that off as a self-serving interpretation of Leo's statements to the NCAA. It might be total BS, but it might not be.
Yes, but according to Godfrey's article, the name of the school was redacted from the transcript by the NCAA, so a direct quote would have been complicated. I certainly think Farrar's attorney was paraphrasing because there was not a direct quote he could use. The UMiss response doesn't even mention MSU, and just says that Lewis admitted taking money from another institution. The enforcement staff response just doesn't even address it. So, there is definitely some question what Lewis actually said, but I don't think we can just call the people trying to discredit Leo a bunch of liars. He said something that is being construed as diming out MSU, and I would definitely like to know what he said.
So just because Barney says it in a transcript to the NCAA, where he is battling to save his coaching career, you are going to accept that as fact?
Uh, yes we can. They ARE a bunch of liars and they've been repeatedly caught lying many times over the last couple of years. As for whatever Leo may or may not have said about MSU, the NCAA has looked into it and given us the all clear.
You're not going to find a "real source" unless someone has access to Lewis' testimony. Until then its an open question; what did Lewis actually say about receiving money from another school, if anything? . I don't consider Godfrey and Farrar to be "discredited" on this, since no one has claimed they are wrong. But I also am not willing to accept their interpretations of Lewis' testimony as accurate, since they have their own agendas.
I just don't think it makes sense to completely blow this issue off as the misguided ramblings of people trying to save their own skin.
You're either incredibly dense or you're just trolling now. Godfrey's been proven wrong on most of the things he's written about the UMiss case and the NCAA didn't buy any of Farrar's arguments (neither did UMiss since they fired him). But go on and think they're creditable sources all you want.
I said this in the other thread. There's a simple solution to determine who is telling the truth. If Leo plays Saturday night than we are peachy keen. If he doesn't play then there maybe something to be concerned about.
My money is on him playing and tearing **** up on the field.
My money is on him playing and tearing **** up on the field.
I guess we're arguing about two different things. You have chosen not to believe anything Godfrey or Farrar's attorney says, and that's fine. I'm just saying both of them have seen the transcripts and claim that Lewis admitted getting money from another school. Godfrey suspects the school was MSU, and Farrar flat out says it was MSU. No one has refuted that claim yet. I'm not willing to just believe them, but I'm also not willing to just blow it off as another lie. I think its obvious nothing will come from it, though I am curious what he actually said.
Well, there is a difference between him being eligible to play, versus him admitting to receiving money from MSU. I think its pretty clear that whatever he said, the NCAA has cleared him to play. That doesn't answer the question of what he actually said, though.
No, I never said to accept it as fact. I'm not willing to just ignore it, either, though. Lewis said something that is being interpreted as admitting he got money from another school, and I am curious what he said.
There is also the possibility that they are confusing an "admission" with telling somebody something to make them bid against themselves.
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