Leonard Hamilton trying to prove he is no Stansbury
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Jeez coach, please give it a rest. We know you hate Stansbury. You've beaten that horse for years and years. You posting over and over that he's never been to the Sweet 16 isn't going to make him go away. So why don't you broaden your subject matter a little bit?
And the myth of Stan Jones continues. He and Hamilton missed the NCAA's the first 6 years at FSU, and they've had 4-5 NBA regulars during their time there.<div>
</div><div>They're "offense" is consistently one of the most criticized in the nation, even the announcers were making references to its ineffectiveness during their first 2 tourney games. The announcers said during the game that they had the best FG% defense of any NCAA team in the last 10 years, that's why they are where they are. That and having the longest, most athletic team in the country</div><div>
</div><div>Just proves further this boards lack of being able to point out good "x's and o's" when they see it</div>
</div><div>They're "offense" is consistently one of the most criticized in the nation, even the announcers were making references to its ineffectiveness during their first 2 tourney games. The announcers said during the game that they had the best FG% defense of any NCAA team in the last 10 years, that's why they are where they are. That and having the longest, most athletic team in the country</div><div>
</div><div>Just proves further this boards lack of being able to point out good "x's and o's" when they see it</div>
Tonights game was, as stated many times during the game, anything but their normal play on that end of the court.
is totally ridiculous. Many teams have advanced far in the Tourney playing with a less than sophisticated offense. Most of them were hot at the time. Meanwhile, many well coached offensive teams (as well as being well coached defensively) have had struggles in the Tourney as. It isn't quite as simple as you point out.
Not only this, but you pick a program which has seriously underachieved under Hamilton as your evidence. What nonsense! I'd love to live in the fantasy world you've drawn up, a world where Stan Jones is some master tactician who will obviously be difficult to defeat. Wait a minute, FSU has done exactly nothing in basketball while he was there? How can that be?
Rag on Stansbury for his shortcomings. Just be fair to the guy. Honestly, I think Stansbury's greatest shortcomings, which have manifested themselves since that 2005 season, have nothing to do with lack of NCAA Tourney success. I think his greatest shortcomings have been what has kept this program from having a good seed since 2004. Honestly, had he been able to sustain that kind of success, he would have broken through at some point. He's a good enough floor coach to accomplish that. His issues have landed us either out of the Tourney (more often than not of late) or with a tough seed to get out of the first weekend (only twice since 2005). To me, that's what disappoints me the most, not a lack of NCAA Tourney wins. You can't make a Sweet 16 if you can't get there and land a reasonable seed. The straw that will ultimately break the camel's back is not a lack of Sweet 16 appearances but a lack of NCAA appearances and a lack of consistent success as in the first part of last decade.
Not only this, but you pick a program which has seriously underachieved under Hamilton as your evidence. What nonsense! I'd love to live in the fantasy world you've drawn up, a world where Stan Jones is some master tactician who will obviously be difficult to defeat. Wait a minute, FSU has done exactly nothing in basketball while he was there? How can that be?
Rag on Stansbury for his shortcomings. Just be fair to the guy. Honestly, I think Stansbury's greatest shortcomings, which have manifested themselves since that 2005 season, have nothing to do with lack of NCAA Tourney success. I think his greatest shortcomings have been what has kept this program from having a good seed since 2004. Honestly, had he been able to sustain that kind of success, he would have broken through at some point. He's a good enough floor coach to accomplish that. His issues have landed us either out of the Tourney (more often than not of late) or with a tough seed to get out of the first weekend (only twice since 2005). To me, that's what disappoints me the most, not a lack of NCAA Tourney wins. You can't make a Sweet 16 if you can't get there and land a reasonable seed. The straw that will ultimately break the camel's back is not a lack of Sweet 16 appearances but a lack of NCAA appearances and a lack of consistent success as in the first part of last decade.
SEC- (2)- Billy Donovan, Kevin StallingsFrenchQuarterDawg said:
ACC-(2) Coach K, Gary Williams
Big 12- (1)-Rick Barnes
Big East-(5)- Jim Calhoun, Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino, Mike Brey, Jay Wright
Big Ten- (2)-Izzo, Bo Ryan
Pac-10- (0) Howland and Romar both have 9 years
There are 6-7 more coaches with 9 years in- and all have made a Sweet 16...just shows you have to be a real good coach to stay at a school for 10 years and have tournament success- unless you coach at Mississippi State
<span style="font-weight: bold;">Stans is a horrible floor coach. </span>Please find me someone who agrees with you, have you really been watching MSU basketball under Stans?Stormrider81 said:
<span style="font-weight: bold;">The reason we have bad seeds is the fact that Stans can not win consistently outside of the SEC schedule, that's a fact.</span> If you schedule early season OOC cupcakes, you have to beat them and he doesn't do it year after year.
so he really can't be blamed. stan is not coming back to ms and wouldn't have the first time had he not owed stansbury a favor. i'm surprised stan has not gotten a HC job by now. he can be "prickly" and goes at least "semi" bobby knight sometimes but he is a heck of a basketball coach. my daughter learned more from him about playing post on sunday afternoons than she did from all her 'official" coaches.
Stallings has 2 Sweet 16s, but has never won a division, conference or tourney title and has finished in the bottom half of the division 6 times.
Did you watch us play this season. Did you watch the games where we broke out with an early lead and slowly pissed it away because Stans wanted to slow things down and run hisbullsh** halfcourt offense until the shot clock was low?jcdawgman18 said:
and it could get hotter. Jenkins and Elizi will probably test the waters. If they go, it could get really ugly. Theyare already weak at the point and if Fuller tranfers out (as has been rumored), then they won't be able to get the ball up the floor.Coach34 said:
I went to several Vandy games this past season. The best way to describe them is talented butvery soft.
Sure, I've seen us start to slow down a little earlier than that, like pulling it out instead of going 2 on 2 on the break, but I'm talking they started killing all 35 seconds every possession at 10 minutes. It was extreme.
What is new. maybe he can go get one of his chosen boys like Pearl now. Give it rest. we won a baseball game yesterday and a bunch of good coaches didn't make it to the Sweet Sixteen. harp on them coach or can you not obsess over Stansbury for one day?
between the 9 to 10 minute mark. From that point on we scored ONE FG and that was worthless since we followed it up by getting a technical giving them the 2 points right back at the free throw line.
When you quit, I and others will quit. Go see Pearl, he is open now for coaching Junior High teams and maybe he can do an endorsement for you to help you sell some condoms, or better, ya'll could use them on each other.
With the number of times you've called for his head and stated he is a horrible coach, what exactly have you accomplished? Seriously.....What has your 2500th anti Stans post accomplished?
So you're telling us that Stansbury isn't as great as Coach K or Jim Boeheim? Thanks for the news flash.
It gets him the attention he doesn't get anywhere else. Poor bastard been crying for help on this board for years.SnakePlissken said:
You say that it is because he is a horrible floor coach. Well, what about years like 2002, 2003, and 2004?
Let me ask it this way: what is different between those years and the past few years? Well, Stansbury hasn't substantially changed. He coaches pretty much the way he always has. What, then, is the difference? Well, you really have two things: instability and the character of the players we have on roster. We had great stability in those days. We didn't have transfers every single year like we have now. We had players like Bowers and Roberts, who toed the line and did what Bury wanted them to do. Now we have instability mixed with players Bury isn't good at handling. Those things are absolutely, 100% the fault of Rick Stansbury.
While it is true that if Stansbury were a better floor coach he might could overcome this issue, the fact remains that his shortcomings in this area are not the main issue.
Let me ask it this way: what is different between those years and the past few years? Well, Stansbury hasn't substantially changed. He coaches pretty much the way he always has. What, then, is the difference? Well, you really have two things: instability and the character of the players we have on roster. We had great stability in those days. We didn't have transfers every single year like we have now. We had players like Bowers and Roberts, who toed the line and did what Bury wanted them to do. Now we have instability mixed with players Bury isn't good at handling. Those things are absolutely, 100% the fault of Rick Stansbury.
While it is true that if Stansbury were a better floor coach he might could overcome this issue, the fact remains that his shortcomings in this area are not the main issue.