Let's be real

[Shamoan]

Mccowan's numerous missed layups lost us this specific game...that and our defense turned soft. If our 6'7" center hits half of her missed shots inside of 3 feet, we win by 4. You simply can't miss that many point blank shots. She has done it all year, but tonight, it caught up with us.

actually, missing only 4 inside 3 feet is a huge misrepresentation. I would put it at more like 8.

 

[SirBarksalot]

I came here to say the same thing.

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

True. She has to really work on her shooting plus remaining on her feet when she goes for a rebound, far too many times she is off balance and already falling when she rebounds.

 

[5049]

Yep

 

[5049]

If you really want to be real, Louisville should have beat us Friday anyways

 

[Drebin]

No doubt about it.

She is just flat out unskilled with the ball. Her talent is being really tall, and her physical size gives her a huge advantage. Unfortunately she's soft, hits the deck too often, and has no touch with the ball around the rim. She's a sweetheart and obviously can dominate games with her height, but she choked tonight.

Hopefully she goes to work on that during the offseason.

 

[fishwater99]

Why can't we get her to learn to dunk, much higher percentage shot.

 

[Shamoan]

ESPN should a reply of a shot T made and she didn't even have here eyes on the basket when she put it up. It missed the backboard square by a foot and ND got the rebound. It's indicative of what she does and most of the time, she can get away with it. Not tonight

 

[She Mate Me]

Mccowan's numerous missed layups lost us this specific game...that and our defense turned soft. If our 6'7" center hits half of her missed shots inside of 3 feet, we win by 4. You simply can't miss that many point blank shots. She has done it all year, but tonight, it caught up with us.

Against teams of that quality she's done it mostly on put backs, but we went with the pass it to her plan. I think it was a mistake.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Sometimes I get Marcus Campbell flashbacks when she tries to do something besides just going to the basket. There was an awful pass out of the lane early in the game that was absolutely horrible.

 

[Dawg1976]

She is a big body and good for rebounding, defense and putting missed shots back in on an offensive rebound, but she is not a go to person where an athletic move is needed to make a basket. Plus she can't make enough free throws to make her a primary go to person. But we tried that all season and it cost us tonight. No doubt....she was an important part of our success....not down playing that.

 

[MSUDC11]

She had 18 and 17 today in her worst game on the tourney. It’s moronic to suggest she is the reason we lost.

 

[Shamoan]

If a player constantly misses point blank shots, yes, I will blame them, but I also think howland' strength is recruiting and not coaching, so what do I know???

 

[woozman]

Let us be really real.

If we can't win that Natty, we will never win one....

 

[She Mate Me]

She had 18 and 17 today in her worst game on the tourney. It’s moronic to suggest she is the reason we lost.

Moronic is the theme here after tough MSU losses. They draw out the morons in all their moronic glory.

125 POINTS AND 109 REBOUNDS IN 6 NCAA TOURNEY GAMES. And she's getting crucified here. Laughable if it wasn't so sad.

 

[vandaldawg]

Let us be really real.

If we can't win that Natty, we will never win one....

That is the thought that is spiraling around in my head, and it has me in an epic depression.

 

[Shamoan]

Did she or did she not miss 8 + shots under the goal?

she is a great asset, but she missed critical shots. Did she or did she not? At a point it was clear we were trying to funnel the offense through her and she missed a boatload of shots a 6-7 woman shouldn't have. It's really small minded to think it's ok to miss so many shots right under the rim. It's not and in this case, it cost us a national title among other things. She doesn't get the whole blame, but she deserves her fair share. If you want to *****, there are other threads on basically all our starters, but none that missed this many layups

 

[CochiseCowbell]

That is the thought that is spiraling around in my head, and it has me in an epic depression.

Drink up me 'earty, yo ho.

 

[kired]

It was obvious that ND was going to be physical with her - why the hell did Vic keep feeding her? I know our 3-pt shooters weren’t hitting either, but you’ve gotta do something different when T isn’t hitting her layups. We just kept trying to force it down low. The image of Ro passing up a decent look at a 3 to throw it in to T will be burned in my brain forever.

Seems she tries to shoot quick before they are able to double team her, but most of the time she ends up shooting with her side to the basket and just kind of throws it in the direction of the rim. Sometimes she gets lucky & those fall, but tonight none of those did.

No doubt she’s a great player, but she has the opportunity to be the most dominant player in WBB. Hope she continues to improve.

 

[anon1787432961]

She also stole the ball from Mabry's inbound pass. Then Mabry fouled to stop the fast break. Tell the whole story Lisa.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Did she or did she not miss 8 + shots under the goal?

she is a great asset, but she missed critical shots. Did she or did she not? At a point it was clear we were trying to funnel the offense through her and she missed a boatload of shots a 6-7 woman shouldn't have. It's really small minded to think it's ok to miss so many shots right under the rim. It's not and in this case, it cost us a national title among other things. She doesn't get the whole blame, but she deserves her fair share. If you want to *****, there are other threads on basically all our starters, but none that missed this many layups

Not hard to miss when you have three players hanging all over you when you go up to shoot.

 

[She Mate Me]

Not hard to miss when you have three players hanging all over you when you go up to shoot.

Or when you know if you don't throw it up quickly they will soon be hanging on you and only get called for 25% of the fouls they're committing. Getting rebounds of her own misses is part of the plan.

 

[mstateglfr]

Why can't we get her to learn to dunk, much higher percentage shot.

Why. Just why.

 

[She Mate Me]

Did she or did she not miss 8 + shots under the goal?

she is a great asset, but she missed critical shots. Did she or did she not? At a point it was clear we were trying to funnel the offense through her and she missed a boatload of shots a 6-7 woman shouldn't have. It's really small minded to think it's ok to miss so many shots right under the rim. It's not and in this case, it cost us a national title among other things. She doesn't get the whole blame, but she deserves her fair share. If you want to *****, there are other threads on basically all our starters, but none that missed this many layups

Just to be clear, you think T "cost us a national title among other things" when we likely wouldn't have sniffed the Final Four without her the last two years? Is that correct?

 

[o_dawgnabit]

This is a great point and shows this is a dumb thread. She SHATTERED records in the NCAA tourney. She came up clutch on that defensive play to make up for that missed layup. Go back and look at replays. She gets hacked every time she goes up and doesn’t get calls bc of her size. This is one of the dumbest posts to say someone who went 18 and 17 cost us tonight.

 

[Shamoan]

Got a text from an auburn acquaintance tonight that read "...The big center of yours last 2 shots were horrible." They were and we lost.

 

[00dog]

She had 18 and 17 today in her worst game on the tourney. It’s moronic to suggest she is the reason we lost.

Exactly. She was a huge part of why we made it to the championship.

 

[Shamoan]

Let's say a player on your team has 100% of your points and every rebound. Your team trails 66-65 and said player is fouled on a 3 point attempt and proceeds to miss all 3 ft attempts. I don't care about the other stats, the only thing that matters is what that player did with the game on the line. That doesn't discount the previous effort, but you would be a fool not to acknowledge the player didn't cost you a win.

 

[o_dawgnabit]

Yes the last one was a bad missed. Not sure the other one you were referring to before that last one. But to say we lost the game bc of those two missed lay ups is just a blind take. We lost for so many other reasons before that. Not being able to stop dribble drive in the 2nd half, stagnant offense really all night, not relying on Vivians late, missed FT’s by the whole team. And there are way more. These are all above McCowan(who I remind you went 18 and 17) missed lay up

 

[rcdawg08]

It was obvious that ND was going to be physical with her - why the hell did Vic keep feeding her? I know our 3-pt shooters weren’t hitting either, but you’ve gotta do something different when T isn’t hitting her layups. We just kept trying to force it down low. The image of Ro passing up a decent look at a 3 to throw it in to T will be burned in my brain forever.

Seems she tries to shoot quick before they are able to double team her, but most of the time she ends up shooting with her side to the basket and just kind of throws it in the direction of the rim. Sometimes she gets lucky & those fall, but tonight none of those did.

No doubt she’s a great player, but she has the opportunity to be the most dominant player in WBB. Hope she continues to improve.

This!! We should have taken several more shots from the perimeter like we have all year. Not sure if it was coaching or they were just not willing to let em fly but i would have liked to have seen 5-6 more shots from outside instead we pass inside and still miss.

 

[00dog]

Every single player, on each team, could have done better. But, dang. We would have not been in the championship game, nor would we have built a 15 point lead without McCowan. They won. We lost. Wish we had every single player back next year.

 

[BistroDollarNight]

So soft that she played the entire semi final without sitting on the bench as a big. Give me a break, as soon as she goes out of the game our team falls apart.

No doubt about it.

She is just flat out unskilled with the ball. Her talent is being really tall, and her physical size gives her a huge advantage. Unfortunately she's soft, hits the deck too often, and has no touch with the ball around the rim. She's a sweetheart and obviously can dominate games with her height, but she choked tonight.

Hopefully she goes to work on that during the offseason.

 

[Drebin]

So soft that she played the entire semi final without sitting on the bench as a big. Give me a break, as soon as she goes out of the game our team falls apart.

You can play long minutes and still be soft. You are being selective in your criticism of my comment. We don't get as far as we got without her. But she gets rebounds not because she's tough and athletic, but because she's 4-5 inches taller than everyone on the court. She hits the floor too much for someone her size. She is extremely limited offensively. She is best utilized, and we are at our best offensively, when we are attacking from the perimeter and she is hitting the offensive glass. These are all facts. It's okay, she can work on a lot of this stuff and I expect she will and will be even better next year.

 

[Palos verdes]

McCowen has bad feet, otherwise she'd be a legend.

 

[ShrubDog]

Mccowan's numerous missed layups lost us this specific game...that and our defense turned soft. If our 6'7" center hits half of her missed shots inside of 3 feet, we win by 4. You simply can't miss that many point blank shots. She has done it all year, but tonight, it caught up with us.

actually, missing only 4 inside 3 feet is a huge misrepresentation. I would put it at more like 8.

So she missed 4 shots and it cost us the game? What game were you watching? Did you miss the 8 minutes when the whole team missed more than 4 shots?

 

[dawgstudent]

To be real - if they are supposed to call fouls that late - we should have lost the Louisville game.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

If we're being really real here for reals... both teams could have done more or done less... that's how it works. ND could've made more shots and State could've made more shots. The fact of the matter is that the game was tied up ... regardless of how the teams got to that point... and the foul wasn't called.

We can coulda-woulda-shoulda all day.

 

[Ranchdawg]

Every shot she took except the last one she was being shoved

Mccowan's numerous missed layups lost us this specific game...that and our defense turned soft. If our 6'7" center hits half of her missed shots inside of 3 feet, we win by 4. You simply can't miss that many point blank shots. She has done it all year, but tonight, it caught up with us.

actually, missing only 4 inside 3 feet is a huge misrepresentation. I would put it at more like 8.

It is hard to hit shots when you are off balance. Even so, she wasn't the only one that missed shots or turned the ball over in this game. I would take her on my over every other player in the country.