Now has a new nickname. “the Main Event”
R Eisen just called him that
R Eisen just called him that
Levis
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The combine is the Underwear Olympics. Of course a perfect physical specimen, who has excellent media training like Levis will get rave reviews this week.
Hope the good feeling last to draft day!
Hope the good feeling last to draft day!
Yeah Levis is a pro behind the mic. The camera is made for him. You remember when he first came on the scene he was on The today show for eating banana peels or something....
He belongs in New York or Los Angeles as a QB but I think he will be next quarterback of the Los Angeles Oakland Las Vegas Raiders or the Green Bay Packers surprise everybody and move up and take him. Which they should. I hope to God Almighty they do.
He belongs in New York or Los Angeles as a QB but I think he will be next quarterback of the Los Angeles Oakland Las Vegas Raiders or the Green Bay Packers surprise everybody and move up and take him. Which they should. I hope to God Almighty they do.
Please let him go to Green Bay, they are my favorite team.
Mine too. I love the Packers more than I love the Wildcats. By a smiggin'
Man do not kill my vibe it has been a good day. I got a feeling Carolina may trade up to try and get him.
Dude is magnetic for sure. Rich eisen had a great nickname for him: the main event. Perfect. He just has that it factor, what it is
Lots of qb needy franchises watched him yesterday and saw a face of the franchise type of guy. His personality shined through more than the other 3 1st round candidates.
My Lions will trade you the 6th for your 1st and a lock of Roger's hair for vood...I mean for science
Richardson is so raw, I just don't get the love for him. There is no way he's going to be ready to play at the NFL level without 2+ years of seasoning. And, there's no guarantee that he'll ever be good/accurate enough to play. Lots of examples of combine All-stars who never had much of career in the NFL. A GM that drafts him with their first pick is taking a huge chance that could hamstring the organization for 5 years while waiting on this guy to develop into a serviceable QB. I'd much rather have Stroud and Levis as they're both much closer to being ready to play. Young is very gifted but his slight frame would concern me about being able to take the pounding. If he's going to stay healthy, he could be an impact QB. If he's in street clothes half the time (see: Z. Williamson in the NBA), not so much.
Everyone loves Levis' arm strength. He didn't blow the doors off in the combine but didn't have any ugly surprises, either. The book on him is he has all the attributes but still struggles with footwork and accuracy at times. He is a hard worker so, if I'm a GM, I'd rely on his work ethic and bet on him fixing those problems with more coaching. He's smart enough to be a film junkie and to absorb it so I think the decision making will improve with more time and emphasis on that aspect. He's not 'can't miss' but he's a lot closer to a finished product than AR-15.
Everyone loves Levis' arm strength. He didn't blow the doors off in the combine but didn't have any ugly surprises, either. The book on him is he has all the attributes but still struggles with footwork and accuracy at times. He is a hard worker so, if I'm a GM, I'd rely on his work ethic and bet on him fixing those problems with more coaching. He's smart enough to be a film junkie and to absorb it so I think the decision making will improve with more time and emphasis on that aspect. He's not 'can't miss' but he's a lot closer to a finished product than AR-15.
Jmo but I think that's solely based on the major social media push. I'm willing to bet ar agency is behind this entire social media campaign for him. No way that many people suddenly simultaneously thinks he morphed into a super player.
No way I'd spend a first round pick. Third round pick. Maybe second. Maybe
That is what some are trying to speculate is AR15 is an amazing physical specimen....and I truly don't get picking him even in low first round.
I mean Levis and Bryce Young way outplayed him on the field last year. I just don't get why his size/speed matters unless a team is committed to running the QB via option football....and even then I don't get it as he showed to not be a great threat like Cam Newton runnign the ball. But most teams have to throw the ball to some degree to win in NFL...and AR15 looked like a water gun in those games. Hell last year, UK was begging him to throw vs. run as he was throwing 5 yard outs in the ground and he lost the game we played UF.
If some team wants to be stupid and draft him in top 10 picks....I guess that is what stupid teams do. AR15 is a pure project at best.
I want him to go to my Colts lol. At least the Packers may have a decent one in Jordan Love. My colts have nobody.
I was a big Colts fan growing up, Johnny U, Earl Morrow, John Mackey, Bubba Smith. Jets broke my heart in I believe 62, Super Bowl III I believe. Broadway Joe.
How in the world did AR get this hyped up? What the heck did he do at Florida to suggest he’s a top 10 pick?
Levis is also a guy who I cannot see leading an NFL franchise. I don’t see it. Every year, NFL teams reach on QBs and regret it. I hope I’m wrong as I root for all UK players to do well.
Levis is also a guy who I cannot see leading an NFL franchise. I don’t see it. Every year, NFL teams reach on QBs and regret it. I hope I’m wrong as I root for all UK players to do well.
Has the guy from BYU done anything, with jrts I think. Another was the guy from North Dakota State. He was big time athlete, big too, drafted very early, top 10 I believe.
Zach Wilson already got benched in his second year and appears to be done there. Trey Lance is the other one. He didn't even make it two full games this year before a season-ending injury so for his career, he has 5 TDs and 3 INTs and now is in a QB battle with Brock Purdy.
But every year teams need a QB so they will reach despite not an absolute stud being at that spot. Then they act surprised when they fail.
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Who is "an absolute stud"? Lots of them fail too!
Justin Fields hasn't shown anything beyond scrambling. Tua is too small and breakable, hello to whoever drafts Young this yr.
College coaches fail to identify great starting qbs, so do the pros. It is a hard job!
Justin Fields hasn't shown anything beyond scrambling. Tua is too small and breakable, hello to whoever drafts Young this yr.
College coaches fail to identify great starting qbs, so do the pros. It is a hard job!
It's hard I agree....but Anthony Richardson has been not good at all in limited time his first year and he had the all the snaps last year and wasn't good. He can't throw a 5 yard route consistently accurate.
I can give some leeway on some fo these QBs that falter....but why anyone thought Zach Wilson was a good bet at #2 pick was nutso. And it sounds like Anthony Richardson is heading to be a top pick as well. If CJ Stroud busts or even a smallish Bryce Young....I get picking them as they excelled in college....but AR15 was a mess mostly last year is all I'm saying.
I'm still convinced it's gms falling victim to the endless social media campaign. Ar highlights and talk completely dominate football and especially draft social media. I am firmly convinced his agents are behind it.
It is proving to be a good idea because it's taken a fourth round prospect and moved him comfortably in the first round. Pretty crazy it's working as well as it is, but the proof is in the pudding
He is a flop but I watched Wilsons pro day and it was one of the most spectacular displays of arm talent that I have seen of power , accuracy and anticipation . The tools are certainly there but for whatever reason personality or team ( Jets have destroyed a bunch of Qb’s ) he has become a pariah in New York .
But again...why in a pro day/NFL combine with no pads, no defenders running at you, no DBs waiting in coverage, usually indoors in pristine conditions, etc...so much more valuable in drafting than actually game play? Zach Wilson wasn't amazing at BYU vs. bad competition....so the Jets were nutso to draft him #2 to begin with. Also, he's only in 2nd year....Jets also have blame to them to not develop players. Same with Geno Smith and Sam Darnold before.
Like the Ravens are a franchise that actually do/can develop a QB. Lamar Smith was far from a finished product (and he still has flaws) but they developed him and gameplanned to his abilities. They did same with Joe Flacco.
With very, very few exceptions, I think the NFL greatly overvalues QB. There are just not enough that can make a difference all by themselves. But, year after year, a team will pony up tens of millions of guaranteed dollars for a QB who is perhaps above average and then wonder why their team is mired in mediocrity while the QB's contract becomes a millstone around the entire organization. There is a direct correlation between winning playoff games and having a pretty good (not a stud, necessarily) QB who is still on his rookie contract. Once that contract runs its course and the team ponies up $20+ million a year, the surrounding cast gets thinned out and, suddenly, it's a lot harder to win with an overpaid QB surrounded by unproven youngsters, past their prime castoffs, etc.
By the same token, teams desperately in need of a QB draft projects at least a round early and find themselves in this continual search for the 'franchise' QB (see Jets, Broncos, et al). As others have said, some of these guys drafted super high haven't really separated themselves while playing in college but, all of a sudden, they're top 5 draft picks because they can jump high or run a fast 40 or throw a ball 65+ yards in laboratory conditions? AR15 could become 'the next big thing' but I think he's at least 2 years away from being able to contribute. And, if he's having trouble completing short passes against Missouri, KY, TN, etc., how is going to fare in the NFL?
I wish Levis all the success in the world. I do think he's got all the physical and mental tools to develop into a solid NFL QB. He's still a ways away, imo, though. Footwork, improving decision making, processing the coverage/reads quicker, etc. are still areas he needs to continue to work on. Because of how NFL groupthink works re: QB, he'll go very high in this draft and, in 5 years, could be another QB who was way overvalued. But, he seems like a hard worker and, if he gets the right coaching and system, could be a very solid QB. Don't think anyone can project who will be a superstar no matter how much a QB is evaluated.
By the same token, teams desperately in need of a QB draft projects at least a round early and find themselves in this continual search for the 'franchise' QB (see Jets, Broncos, et al). As others have said, some of these guys drafted super high haven't really separated themselves while playing in college but, all of a sudden, they're top 5 draft picks because they can jump high or run a fast 40 or throw a ball 65+ yards in laboratory conditions? AR15 could become 'the next big thing' but I think he's at least 2 years away from being able to contribute. And, if he's having trouble completing short passes against Missouri, KY, TN, etc., how is going to fare in the NFL?
I wish Levis all the success in the world. I do think he's got all the physical and mental tools to develop into a solid NFL QB. He's still a ways away, imo, though. Footwork, improving decision making, processing the coverage/reads quicker, etc. are still areas he needs to continue to work on. Because of how NFL groupthink works re: QB, he'll go very high in this draft and, in 5 years, could be another QB who was way overvalued. But, he seems like a hard worker and, if he gets the right coaching and system, could be a very solid QB. Don't think anyone can project who will be a superstar no matter how much a QB is evaluated.
^ I've never understood why we are using metrics/skill tests with no pads or helmets to determine who will be good in a sport where they will never play under those conditions. Makes no sense.
Let's just start doing the NBA Draft combine in an outdoor park and make them wear jeans and book bags. Makes as much sense as the NFL Draft's combine.
Let's just start doing the NBA Draft combine in an outdoor park and make them wear jeans and book bags. Makes as much sense as the NFL Draft's combine.
We've seen the Ravens win two Super Bowls with Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco as their quarterbacks. We just saw the 49ers go to the NFC title game with a 7th-round rookie at QB.
If you can't get the Joe Burrows and Trevor Lawrence-type QBs, do not reach that high in the draft. Build your team up before you get a QB.
Jalen Hurts is making AR15 a high 1st rounder more than the combine results
The NFL is a copycat league. They can't help noticing the Eagles drafted an athletic QB who was an unreliable thrower. taught him proper mechanics & techniques, and he led them to the Super Bowl & will be their star for the next 10 yrs.
The NFL is a copycat league. They can't help noticing the Eagles drafted an athletic QB who was an unreliable thrower. taught him proper mechanics & techniques, and he led them to the Super Bowl & will be their star for the next 10 yrs.
Yep those were the 2 I was thinking of. You are 100% on teams needing a QB taking a reach on one because they believe they can "fix" his flaws. Nevermind the 8 or so coaches before them couldn't. I believe if you could put Levis's physical skills, his size and strength with Stetson's ability to analyze and make quick decisions you would have a multiple super bowl winner, as they stand now they will have to battle to get on the field.
The Ravens did a good job of taking Lamar “Smith” and developing him into Lamar “Jackson”. Not bad.
Zach Wilson was amazing in college.
33 tds vs 3 ints
74% completion percentage
2nd in pass efficiency
12-1 record.
It wasn't that they drafted on pro day perf.
It's that pro day ”confirmed” the numbers against lesser competition.
Richardson is different.
His workouts are pointing to different production than school.
But also, it's not like these gms think he's a sure thing.
They know he's a gamble.
But one they are now willing to take.
His workouts suggest if he does pan out, hes beyond all the good qbs and is hall of famer.
Especially if he you're picking him after Young and Stroud and only choosing over Levis who's for questions himself.
They're talking about him because he showed out at pro day lol. He was labeled an athletic freak with an elite arm . GMs see that and his bad habits and think they can coach him up
Noone had pro day yet so far as I know. If you meant the combine, he was getting projected in the first round before he ever performed.
That Super Bowl was played in 1969, I was in the Air Force when it was played... Joe Willie Namath looked good in that game...
He made Johnny U look kind of bad that game if I remember correctly... I always liked Johnny U but I didn't care for the Baltimore Colt's at that time...
I was a Packer fan back then.. I also liked the Cowboy's... Dandy Done M was the QB back then and I was a big fan of his... Also liked Tom Landry as one of the best coach's... Of course every one knew who the best coach was then, that wa the Green Bay coach Lombardi...
GBB
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Wow I am getting old alot of time between 62 and 69. I believe that was the Superbowl that led to merger of AFL and NFL.
I think AR has a great chance to be special, as a TE. But like Tebow someone convinced him he was a qb
Meant combine but a lot of mock drafts still had him as a first rounder during the season