But conservative political ideology is often influenced by religious ideology, and there is nothing wrong with a university openly using religious ideology to support a conservative influenced curriculum.
Liberal snowflakes flee Pence speech. So triggered. What are they afraid of? Typical libs.
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Extremely hard being a good parent. So many things to worry about. So many bad influences and so hard to help your children learn to make good decisions. At the end of the day, the best we can hope for is that you help your children learn to make good, healthy decisions.
Christians are allowed to express their views on homosexuality being Sinful on College campuses without being called abusive names boom?
This is news to me.
On religious campuses. And they can do it as much as they like in their churches that exist in every town and city nationwide....why do they need to do it on campus?
Telling the Left that College campuses are not biased with Leftist ideology is like telling the Leftist media that they are not biased to Leftist ideology. When you live with the smell of manure all day long, pretty soon you stop smelling it.
Yes and many of the therapy programs are offered by churches. Not sure your point.
I thought a University was an incubator of ideas? All ideas are welcome on a College campus correct? It is the incubator of thought, and consideration of possibilities, investigation of Truth correct?
The "unbiased" media NEVER reports on homosexuals who come out of that Lifestyle--especially for Religious reasons.
NEVER!
But it happens all of the time. We have testimonies in my Church weekly about it, and they are powerful witnesses to Almighty God's healing power over Sinful behavior.
But these conversions are non existent in the media, just like the deaths of Black babies in Planned Parenthood Abortion mills.
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In my graduate program, we discussed multiple viewpoints often. For example: I had a course focused on race, we read D'Souza as well as other conservative writers in order to have a legitimate comprehensive discussion. That's not indoctrination.....that's education.
It works both ways.....I contend that liberal ideology is also often influenced by religious ideology. I'm sure you are well aware of some of the very liberal stances we see in Methodist,Episcopalian,Lutheran and several other religious sects.
As it should be in a true forum for diversity of thought and opinon. We have some of that on this board. You participate in that boomer. You express your views and for the most part you are respectful of other views (until someone disagrees with you)
But my point is you do at least listen to other views and don't call names and argue for your positions repectfully without pejorative name calling of those who disagree with you.
That also is how it should be on a forum such as this.
And that is one class on one university. Boom, you can't really debate this issue. The vast majority of campuses are liberal. 12-1 liberal profs vs. conservatives in this article. I think it is likely even higher.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/6/liberal-professors-outnumber-conservatives-12-1/
My point is, if anyone wants to rid themselves of sin, church doors are always open with many loving Christians to help support that person in their quest to eliminate their personal "demons", correct? If so, why do Christian Americans feel they need to aggressively target homosexuals in society. IMO, our society need to be more open about accepting homosexuality, and maybe there wouldn't be so many closet homosexuals married with children finding men online to meet up with. The lies, deceit, and fakeness are the real sins to me. How pitiful of a society do we have when people are not honest with themselves?
Why is it that Liberty University is the object of ridicule in a lot of the media. I'm not sure that the SNL ilk would agree that there is "nothing wrong" with it.
Aggressively target? I don't see that at all. Homosexuals have never before had this much acceptance. Gay marriage is legal. Not sure what you are talking about. Conversion therapy is illegal in many states.
I can answer that boom. Because as believers armed with the good news of Christ's forgiveness from Sin, we are admonished to "go where the sinners are". We have to meet them where they are, not wait for them to come into Church to offer them God's healing message. Christ encouraged us to "go fourth and multiply"...and Almighty God's promise is that the Gospel is to be spread to all corners of the World so that none may be without excuse (for not hearing the good news)
We can't "force" folks to accpet Almighty God's provisions for relase from Sinful behavior, but we can offer his Love, compassion, forgiveness, and help for Sinners to escape the Evil of Sin. This is what gets confused about Christian evangelism. We are not trying to "force" Religion on anyone. We are spreading the Gospel and allowing all who choose to do so to freely accept God's free gift of Salvation and freedom from Sin.
Most times that message is rejected and that's cool, but we are not "haters" for spreading it.
The difference, imo, is that once an objective truth and morality is adopted through religion, how comprehensive and thorough can any discussion truly be as a result? Liberalism is a questioning and often challenging of traditional thought. IMO, the point is to eliminate subjective attitudes derived from traditions of family and religion, and allow the possibility of change. If one does not change their ideology once open and return to their traditional views, than that person is educated.....no matter their religious or political ideology.
What? Gay what? Marriage? No no, it's wrong to use that word, right? You mean gay civil union is legal. And many seek to change that right. Many more seek to change the openness of homosexuality in the nation. How can you not? You see it as dirty, nasty sin staining the pure Christian fabric of the nation, right? (Yes, that was over the top, but somewhat accurate)
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Liberalism is a questioning and often challenging of traditional thought.
That may have been true at one time, no longer. Campuses are now all about indoctrination. They don't present both sides. They don't challenge. They enforce only one ideology. They stifle free speech or outright shut it down. Why? They don't want to hear opposing points of view. And this is not just students, but faculty as well.
Liberalism is a questioning and often challenging of traditional thought.
That may have been true at one time, no longer. Campuses are now all about indoctrination. They don't present both sides. They don't challenge. They enforce only one ideology. They stifle free speech or outright shut it down. Why? They don't want to hear opposing points of view. And this is not just students, but faculty as well.
This is true to the extent that Truth is the pursuit boomer. Christian ideology is not a pursuit aimed at eliminating a search for Truth at the expense of other vistas of understanding. If Christianity is to be legitimate, it must stand up to ALL inquiry and challenges. Scientific, Religious, historic, cultural...all aspects of Life!
I'm excited when Christian thought is challenged or presented to contrast with contemporary thought. Truth is not relative, and Christianity's answers often stand up well answering some of our most vexing questions about justice, morality, right and wrong.
That doesn't mean people can't reject its answers...but it also doesn't mean those answers are invalid or even wrong.
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Christians see it as a sin. But Christians also see it as free will given to us by God. Christians don't believe this is a Christian nation, despite your many protestations to the contrary. Some Christians try and teach God's word. And this means helping those turn from sin.
Love the sinner, hate the sin.
I see it as a choice for sinful behavior boom. No different than lying, stealing, adultery, or bearing false witness. All of those chosen "behaviors" come with consequences and a price to be paid, and the choice to engage in homosexual acts is no different.
Well....and I know this is a really big and complex concept for you guys from the right.....not all liberals think ALIKE! Just as not all conservatives think alike either. Something I heard over and over again on here before the election. As racists, and those against women equality or homosexuality were quoted as being examples of the dangers of conservative ideology.....conservative posters on here kept saying that only fools lump everyone on the right together. Why is it ok for conservatives to turn around and do the same to liberals?
Conservatism is a questioning and often is a challenging of traditional thought when done in many liberal Universities since Liberalism IS the traditional and current thought in those Universities......Correct?
boom I've been posting on here for the past two days for someone on the Left to explain to me how they can defend Planned Parenthood's racist views and call themselves champions of oppressed poor black people?
You guys have your chance to condemn the founder of Planned Parenthood, as well as their ongoing practice to this very day of eugenics (systematic extermination of Black people)
No one has bothered.
Now I'm not assuming all Leftists believe this or even support it, but why the silence over it if you object to it? What else am I to think when the history about Margaret Sanger is clear, and the current actitivty of Planned Parenthood on this is not even in dispute among Leftists?
No, we should not "lump" all Lefitists into the same category, but who on the Left has come forward to condemn this or call for saving the lives of all of those innocent Black babies?
Where is the outrage on the Left over this blatant racial infanticide?
You may want to read these comments from an extremely liberal tv commentator about shutting down speech on campuses:
CNN’s Fareed Zakaria offered a blistering criticism of the rise of political intolerance and anti-intellectualism on college campuses in a commencement address at Bucknell University on Sunday.
Fareed Zakaria, host of CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS, gave the commencement address at Bucknell University on Sunday. He used his platform to promote the value of a liberal arts education and to condemn the close-mindedness and righteousness of campus leftists and to suggest that maybe an affirmative action program for conservative and libertarians in faculty hiring would help promote “intellectual diversity.”
“The entire purpose of a liberal arts education was to prepare you to exercise those skills of citizenship and public wisdom that would allow you to live as free men and women. And I worry about it because this is at the heart of the western tradition. It has what made the west unique and special for so many years – that ability to preserve, protect, and defend liberty,” Zakaria began.
“And at the heart of that idea of liberty was the liberty to think, speak, believe, act, but perhaps above all, to speak. In that sense, the liberty of thought, freedom of speech, strikes me as under some considerable strain in the United States from all kinds of sources. But one source that is very important is on college campuses. You all have heard about and read about the various cases when people have been disinvited, have been invited and then booed or shunned or not allowed to complete their talks – the protests that have taken place,” Fakaria continued.
“These strike me as fundamentally illiberal, if not un-American. The whole purpose of the liberal tradition, the whole purpose of the liberal arts has been to hear people out, to listen to opposing views,” he added.
“Oliver Wendell Holmes said, ‘When we protect freedom of thought we are protecting freedom for the thought that we hate.’ This is very important,” he continued.” Freedom of speech, freedom of thought, is not freedom for people we like, for warm fuzzy ideas that you find comfortable. It is for ideas that you find offensive.”
Fakaria also quoted Voltaire and John Stuart Mill in his address before condemning seff-righteous leftists who he claims often consider themselves too “morally superior,” too “pure” to engage with those with whom they disagree.
“It is a real problem to have this silencing of conservative voices,” he claimed. “Michael Roth, the president of Wesleyan, points out that at this point you perhaps need an affirmative action program for conservatives to just be able to hear what they are saying. I doubt very much that conservatives would like that idea, but I think the spirit is one that is entirely right. We want to celebrate every kind of diversity these days, besides intellectual diversity.”
“It is the greatest danger, I think, you will face in your life – this ability to close yourself in this kind of bubble where you don’t consider the possibility that you’re wrong,” he finished.
Do you consider Notre Dame to be a religious university? If you do, you should know that it is extremely liberal.
I see people like myself,Dog,atlkvb and WVPATX often present and are open to different viewpoints. You and others like Cool,Mule and sometimes Bru do the same. On the other hand we have folks like Moe,Country,Keyser and RPJ who are total close mined zealots.
Indoctrination? lol You've exposed yourself yet again as a conspiracy theorist and either just stupid or woefully misinformed. How you expect anyone to take you seriously is beyond me.
I've already posted articles and survey citing the extreme imbalance of liberal profs to conservative profs. A new organization was recently formed to protect students from liberal professor retribution.
It is not a conspiracy to know that the vast majority of profs are liberal to very liberal. And please don't tell me they keep their thoughts inside themselves.
https://www.thefire.org
Just because a professor is liberal doesn't mean they indoctrinate students to liberal views.
I do. And I know. I was just referring to if a university that is Christian based wanted to ensure religious ideology is upheld or reinforced through conservative approaches to curriculum, than its legitimate because students enroll there knowing that religion will be a part of the university's overall academic approach initially.
Boom, the reality is that campuses are overwhelmingly liberal. They tout diversity of color, sexual preference, ethnicity, etc., but not diversity of ideology. Why do you need black profs since white profs can teach the kids the same thing, right?
That is not what colleges tell us. They want people with specific backgrounds that know first hand the issues. The same is true of ideology. How can a lib possibly know conservatism and more importantly, why would they? They benefit when their students know but one side of the issue.
Again......this IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED AT NOTRE DAME, those students excercise theor right to NOT LISTEN to Pence as he spoke, but instead show that they are not ok with the approach of the current administration. Nothing wrong with that.
They were disrespectful. Just don't show up or protest outside the venue. But I agree, at least they let him speak vs. so many other lib students and faculty that won't permit conservatives to speak.
I can answer it for him Pax. Because Leftists who say they are for "progress" of my race, slam the door at every opourtinity they have to empower us to be independent and free from government running nearly every aspect of our lives...inlcuding the right for us to decide if we even live or get slaughtered in our Mommy's tummy before we're even born.
I get so tired of the Left expressing it's concern for my welfare, insisting that my people remain on it to survive. I get so tired of them complaining I don't have enough opportunity in a free society to achieve economic independence, and they keep our kids trapped in failing schools so they can't take advantage of vouchers to find better ones.
I get frustrated by their instence that I'm discriminated against because of my race, yet when someone like Dr. Ben Carson or Dr. Condoleeza Rice speakout on how they overcame disadvantages and succeeded without some Govenrment set aside or hand out they are dismissed as examples for Blacks to follow because their politics isn't correct.
In short, I think Leftist Democrats are the biggest two faced hypocrates on race than anyone else they accuse of being "racist". If they set out to actually be what they accuse others of as far as racism itself is concerned, they could not have designed a more perfect sytem to keep my people enslaved and essentially muted than Leftist big Government income redistributionist Socialist ideology.
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