Liberal snowflakes flee Pence speech. So triggered. What are they afraid of? Typical libs.
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If Boom's argument is correct, why would you need black, hispanic, gay or other ethnic profs? White guys should be able to teach like them and understand their issues, right?
College Libs believe in diversity except when it comes to diversity of opinion. How Boom can expect a lib to fully understand conservative positions, principles, attitudes, experiences, etc. is just not accurate or at least not accurate as articulated by colleges advocating diversity.
Why do you need affirmative action admissions when competency admissions can accomplish the same thing?
Isn't THAT a racist belief on the face of it? Leftist college administrators believing Blacks can't qualify for admission unless they are given an easier path or offered lower standards?
How does that help them or the University?
Leftists...probably the dumbest ideological folks asking for legitimacy you'll find.
I'd argue it's impossible for them to keep their radical Leftist ideology out of their training. They live that lie, and simply want it affirmed in the culture, on campus, in the workplace, in government, on the TV news...everywhere.
This is why they get so upset when alternatives challenging it, or thoughtful ideas deconstructing it are offered. They have to shut that sh*t down quick because not even they can defend their own stupidity when it gets exposed.
Look how the Leftists on this board run and hide when they get caught in their own lies and twisted logic?
My 4 daughters, that have all graduated from college, told me that religious bigotry amongst the faculty was the biggest obstacle they faced. Interesting, I hired a college advisor for each daughter to assist with SAT training, college essay instruction, admissions process assistance, school selection, selection of majors, etc. It is a pretty big business where I live. Our advisor is jewish. She told each daughter to avoid any mention of religion in their essays for fear of offending admittance officers.
Boom, when did we as a society support, condone or enable disrespect. I certainly never taught my daughters that that was appropriate. Especially for someone like our VP. If my daughter walked out at ND, they would be punished by me even at 21 years of age. It is simply unacceptable.
Did you see the California Dems at a Dem meeting giving Trump the finger? What does that teach our children?
My Daughter is Christian too Pax. In a Biology class where they were discussing how certain cell mutations adapt to conditions but never actually change what they are...the Prof would NOT accept my Daughter's explanation of it's because they were "created".
"That's not a scientific explanation" she was told. So she asked him to explain it and his answer to her was "it's just science".
OK.
This was a College Biology Prof at Georgia Perimeter College in Lawrenceville Georgia. No joke!
Disgusting.
Critical thinking and analysis is key to any legitimate discussion. I can't speak for any other courses I was not in, but the courses I took were focused on understanding concepts thoroughly.....it was not a circle jerk of like minded people reinforcing their already established ideology. There were statistics, lengthly case studies, and diversity of opinions brought in....the discussions were centered around students debating key points of the readings (readings that included conservative perspectives). Liberal is not a sickness of the mind (despite what you believe) and conservatism is not a life condition. They are simply the ideological stances on issues. BTW.....despite the current division (that you and others seem so content to continue and deepen), a person can have a liberal stance on one issue and a conservative stance on another. It is not such a absolute personal identity, like you choose to believe.
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My profs taught their subject matter, that's it, no political matters. I'd guess that 90% or greater of students could give a rat's *** about politics, most are more interested in drinking and getting laid. This "problem" is imagined by you.
Two completely different actions, imo, and those that deserve disrespect - receive it. You justify name calling on here consistently with that very argument. The act of disrespect can sometimes be the only action available in protest. Sometimes the situation warrants hands in your pockets, or a turning of the back. Let's not confuse violent or incendiary acts with acts such as these.
I believe any program seeking to assist someone through government funds, should be temporary. We should do everything we can to ensure that it is a temporary measure....or else it's not assistance. Exceptions are disability (that must be properly evaluated) and military mental or physical injuries.
Why do we need black profs? Hispanic profs? Other ethnic profs? Why do colleges say we need diversity in everything except ideas. You can't have it both ways Boom. Either diversity is important to to be valued or it is not.
That's not how "entitlements" are run today by the Left boom. That's not even how a Conservative would describe it.
I'm Conservative, and I don't see "entitlements" as much as I see "rights" and those are few and quite specific.
"Entitlements" in my opinion are creations of the Left by big Government types to ensnare a permement dependency class that will continue voting for them as long as Government funded politicos offer to protect them.
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Just for my own knowledge, did you watch a single second of his speech? Specifically the part of the speech they walked out of?
Not really political but I had a history teacher in high school who did something similar. I think we were talking about the Great Depression or something like that. I asked why we didn't just print more money? At the time I didn't know why that was a bad idea.
My teacher said "you can't do that." I kept asking why because I legitimately wanted to know the reason why. She kept repeating her answer and got pissed because I guess she thought I was trying to show her up and she couldn't explain her argument.
Did you not understand it when I told you that in most of my courses (Sociology & Secondary Education) on the graduate level we discussed many ideas through analysis of writings and research projects completed by a wide range of professionals. A good educator fosters debate, debate doesn't occur without dissenting perspectives.
But you have to understand that science seeks answers. No discoveries are made without questions without answers and testing theory and research. Providing the ultimate answer curbs the desire to discover what lies beyond and beyond that.
I agree but your example is meaningless. It is one school and two departments at one point in time. Stats don't lie. Far more libs than conservatives profs on campuses. Indisputable.
I don't recall you responding to my question. Why is diversity a positive for universities except for diversity of ideas?
A clip I watched Pence was talking about Trump's trip abroad, and what I assumed was an attempt to quell extremist dangers. I really don't like to hear Pence speak.....he sounds just like he looks to me. But I didn't walk out.
What I heard him talking about was discussing exactly what occurred. He essentially condemned the actions on campuses as attempts to stifle diverse opinions and debate and that's when they walked out. I suppose the clip I saw could have been mashed up to make it seem more topical, but I found it timely amusing.
Like I said. A good educator doesn't quell ideas, they encourage them. It fosters good discussion and debate, which in turn fosters critical thinking. So liberal or conservative, as long as multiple ideas are presented, it doesn't automatically mean that the prof's ideology will be forced on the student.
And please don't go back to the blocking of speakers again. Many, many liberals are not ok with the blocking of ideas on campuses. And many, many campuses are open to any speakers that bring legitimate perspectives to the atmosphere.
It was about 100 students, I couldn't really tell if it was a coordinated effort or not.
Personally, I'd like to see a little more coming together.....but I don't think this incident should be grouped with the blocking of speakers and violent protests as of late.
Boom, once again. Why is diversity a good idea for everything but ideology? I suspect you have no answer. The reason, lib profs don't have the knowledge required to present both sides of an issue with equal accuracy. And far too many don't even try. Just as the knowledge and experiences of blacks, Hispanics, gays, etc. cannot be replicated by whites (according to universities). Universities are by and large a thought bubble.
That's fine boomer, but why is creation Science not part of that inquiry? New questions lead to new vistas of understanding of how assembled order came into existence and even Scientists admit when they start probing the near endless complexity of design and patterns in all observable things, they are overwhelmed by the infinite possibilities that are impossible without logically concluding some manner of intelligence being responsible for the precision and intricacies of the observable designs. That is an exciting quest and discovery of scientific validity behind the concept of intelligent design and that research does not invalidate Science it confirms it.
It was coordinated as I listened to an interview with the organizer, and in the clip I saw, it was during a part of the speech when he was addressing free speech on campus. Hard not to lump it in, wouldn't you say? I'd also think you'd do a bit more research into the topic as opposed to coming out in defense of it. Seems very partisan of you.
I defend protest, especially against this administration......wait.....was that partisan? Yep. I'm a candy-*** liberal.
My quickness to defend the action was more about seeing this act as much different than the current talking points of how ALL LIBERALS hate free speech if it's in opposition to their ideology
A person has the right to not listen. It wasn't designed to stop the speech, but to excercise their right to not listen. Although this administration reflects values and an approach to governing that you identify with, the extreme changes the administration seeks in regards to the environment, education, immigration, and overall attitude is offensive to many.
They were voted in, and many support their approach, and so it is legitimate and American to support the nation as these changes are implemented. But as these changes effect areas Americans are very passionate about, showing dissatisfaction with those changes through peaceful protest is perfectly acceptable. The violence and desire for a quasi-overthrow of a legitimate government is unacceptable and unAmerican. I don't see this act as one that reflects those principles that endanger democracy.....I see it as reflecting those that enhance democracy.
I defend those that kneel during the anthem as well, as much as I find the action distasteful. Sometimes accepting opposing views means actually accepting them, not just bashing them.
I was not their Graduation, it was their graduation ceremony, they get their Sheepskin regardless. I will guarantee there are many, many things more important in life than a Graduation ceremony.
Tell that to their parents....I'd be crushed if my kids didn't walk from ND....great moment
You still have avoided my question Boom. Not like you. Why is diversity important at universities for faculty, administration and students for everything but diversity of ideology?