I know this is not a college board but did you see where LU got a bowl bid by beating another Cupcake on their schedule. They have what is called a pastry schedule. Full of cupcakes. By the way there appeared to be more people at the Appomattox-Gretna game Friday night than were at Williams Stadium saturday for the LU game. JMO.
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Weather was pretty bad for that game and students were all gone.
They played and beat enough D1 FBS teams to be eligible.
They played and beat enough D1 FBS teams to be eligible.
Give LU credit for trying to get off the porch and run with the big dogs. 5 years or so from now only inagination can say where they are, maybe another Clemson or Alabama.
If money matters { LOL } I think LUs future is bright. Money can get you all things. And they have plenty of money. But beware for what if you gain the world but lose your soul. Didn't someone else say that ???
Recruiting will be easier for them with making a bowl game and facility wise there are not a whole lot of schools that will show them up, especially that aren't in the Power 5. And I even go as far as to say LU will hang with many of those Power 5 schools facility wise. What htey have is impressive and the new building will be first class I'm sure.
So did you expect them to go straight into a schedule with 8 big dogs? That schedule was to find out where they line up and if they can hold their own. Man....they played AUBURN last year! How do you got the nerve to come on here bashing them in their 1st D1 FBS schedule? Man....post like this one is the reason I kinda got away from posting.
I watched Liberty one time this year and that was on the road playing Brigham Young. I was impressed with how well they played, especially Javon Scruggs on defense. They played BYU very tough and BYU beat both Tennessee on the road and Boise State.
I’ll be the first to hate on Liberty, but they grabbed the bull by the horns imo when they came to FBS. To me it would of been simpler to stay in Big South FCS. Maybe go to the Colonial for added competition? No they went FBS independent, and yes that required a lot of fenagling on their part schedule wise. However, 10 years ago whoever thought that we’d have acc teams coming to Lynchburg? Liberty also recruits their backyard well! The facilities are great! I’d love to see them in conference USA with ODU! Side note maybe I’m weird but I’d love to see them play BYU annually. 2 FBS independents and you could create a holy war type rivalry
I agree with everything you said, THEY JUST STARTED to recruit backyard in recent 3 years. I graduated from there and it tore me up to see them not look at talent in 434 (dogwood, Seminole district). Thankfully they started to do that. I wanna say LU and VMI is only one to offer Scruggs....So i salute them for that! I dont know how that is going to change with Hugh Freeze being there.
Conference USA shafted LU
LU wanted in and from I remember reading a school usually offers up 2M to a conference when trying to enter. LU offered up 24M but got turned down.
I’ll bet my bottom dollar they got better facilities than the schools in that conference.
LU wanted in and from I remember reading a school usually offers up 2M to a conference when trying to enter. LU offered up 24M but got turned down.
I’ll bet my bottom dollar they got better facilities than the schools in that conference.
I am probably more familiar with Liberty than anyone on this board. Everyone should find a video of Coach Freeze's pre game speech prior to BYU game. I have had 70 year old men tell me they were, "ready to put the pads on again, after listening to that speech ".
Back in 1971, when Dr. Falwell announced he was starting a college, he said someday they would play Notre Dame........in Lynchburg.
In the future, liberty has a lot of games with Power 5 conference schools. Just a matter of time before they start beating some of the big boys.
If Coach Freeze stays at LU for 5 years, he will have a Top 25 team in Lynchburg.
Heck LU probably has a tougher schedule in the upcoming years than UVA.
Back in 1971, when Dr. Falwell announced he was starting a college, he said someday they would play Notre Dame........in Lynchburg.
In the future, liberty has a lot of games with Power 5 conference schools. Just a matter of time before they start beating some of the big boys.
If Coach Freeze stays at LU for 5 years, he will have a Top 25 team in Lynchburg.
Heck LU probably has a tougher schedule in the upcoming years than UVA.
Do you not find Freeze somewhat hypocritical, preaching being so religious and on the other hand calling escorts?
The bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
Of course you would say that! I read your post a few days ago about not being a religious person and it might rub you the wrong way playing for a guy like Coach Smith. Man...you are one of the main reasons I stopped posting on these boards. The Lord is about forgiveness! Freeze has done his time praying and being open about his sinfulness. As a man of God, I forgive him, but I can see why people like you would come at him asking questions like that. While you pointing fingers BigWinners, you got 3 pointing back at you!
Well I struggled with this too at first. But thank the Lord He is a God of second chances.
Has he changed??? Don’t know. That’s between him and the Lord.
I will say that I hope it was made clear to him that if he screws up at all that ties will be severed and Liberty will look elsewhere.
as a graduate, I agree! If he showed any evidence of some of the sinfulness he has done and put his FAMILY through....HE NEEDS AXED!!!
Big Winners post was totally uncalled for and way out of line. I believe he needs to read the Bible, before posting again
Man, he not going to do that. The devil gonna take jabs every chance they get to make Christians look like a joke?
As a Christian, the Hugh Freeze hiring and the hiring of the athletic director gave me pause. However, as pointed out, the Bible points to a merciful God, and one that forgives. (Lord knows I don’t have transgressions as big as Hugh’s or as public, but I am in need of God’s mercy just as much as he is). I think the thing that gave me a little pause is a double standard at LU for the way their employees can behave versus their students, including graduate students. Some of the reported transgressions would have certainly made the Head Football Coach, AD, and potentially even the chancellor (whatever Jerry Jr is) ineligible to receive a degree; however, they can be gamefully employeed. This does not make Liberty a different type of University than most. I just don’t like it as a model as a Christian university. However, as a business, which is what the majority of colleges are, Liberty has a phenomenal plan. I think that’s why you see the amount of money they have and the facilities they have. The business model is top notch, and they find their niches. For example, google Liberty Law School, by far not the most prestigious in a state where you have William and Mary, UVA, and Washington and Lee among others; however, they consistently produce near the top for passing the Bar Exam. Find your niche and be successful and Liberty is doing that as a business model collegiately.
Putting the Bible in "football terms", Jesus chose Paul, who was the chief sinner, to be his "Coach".
Hampton Roads 6 that was awesome!!!! Very true!
LOL. Boy did I open a can of worms. I was once told never to discuss politics and religion in public. Good advice. I was intending to poke a little fun at some posters, one in particular, who is always criticising other schools schedules and loves to use the term cupcake.
That was a good quip about Paul being a coach. I laughed at that one. Keep in mind however that Jesus chased the money people out of that Temple. Just saying.
As for big winners comment about Freeze, I dont see anything out of line about it. It is a matter of public record, it did happen and cost him his job. That doesnt mean he can never coach again because everyone deserves second chances. But more people than just big winner have commented on that as well as the AD hire. Freeze came from the SEC which has dominated college football for decades. Unfortunately it has also had more than its share of scandels, NCAA investigations, etc. that football fans down there seem to turn their backs on as long as they can win. And still go to church on Sunday and quote " THE BIBLE ". Amen to that boys and pass the offering plate. We need more football facilities.
Y’all are some great guys. I appreciate this thread. LU is a great place to be. They put their money where their mouth is, they make great people and they have morals and values AND THEY STAND BEHIND THEM. You don’t have to agree with everything they do, but you dang sure have to respect them! I’m a huge fan of their university and athletic program! They’ll be very hard to beat come March Madness as well.
Sports are certainly good part within Gods plan, especially when used in the right way. But these personal vendettas are ridiculous. Especially when things that really have very little to do with this board.
Last thing I will say on this topic, and certainly not just on here but A LOT of places, but why do people who aren't Christians or religious HAVE to point things out to disparage Christians?
God Bless you ALL.
Last thing I will say on this topic, and certainly not just on here but A LOT of places, but why do people who aren't Christians or religious HAVE to point things out to disparage Christians?
God Bless you ALL.
Going back to the very first post in this thread, I would like to point out that Liberty is "bowl eligible," they have not yet received a bowl bid. Every year there are a limited number of bowl spots open and in some years, there are simply more teams eligible than there are places for them to go. Conversely, on very rare occasions, there are not enough teams and they have to invite someone who technically did not have enough wins to qualify. I think the official bids go out this Sunday, even though in some cases teams already have a pretty good handle on where they are going.
I scratched my head on the AD to.
Bottom line is all of us have fallen short and only one perfect person ever walked this earth.
I have a ton or respect for Dr Falwell and the faith he exuded to start that school.
He and that school made a huge impact on my life and families.
Do the school do everything right???? No
Are all the students Christians and follow the mission of the school? No
For the most part the school is top notch though.
I can speak of the track coach being I was under him for years and still work meets for them. He truly speaks to his athletes to use the talents the Lord has blessed them with and to compete to honor their Lord and Savior.
Bottom line is all of us have fallen short and only one perfect person ever walked this earth.
I have a ton or respect for Dr Falwell and the faith he exuded to start that school.
He and that school made a huge impact on my life and families.
Do the school do everything right???? No
Are all the students Christians and follow the mission of the school? No
For the most part the school is top notch though.
I can speak of the track coach being I was under him for years and still work meets for them. He truly speaks to his athletes to use the talents the Lord has blessed them with and to compete to honor their Lord and Savior.
It is PREDICTED that Liberty plays in the Cure Bowl, Dec. 21 on CBS Sports Network. https://athlonsports.com/bowl-projections-2019
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Big Winners is entitled to his opinion and I would just say this; I believe everyone deserves the benefit of turning over a new leaf whether you believe in God’s grace or not. But having said that both Freeze and the AD have a documented past that is indisputable. If we were talking about a sex offender or convicted criminal you would have doubts of redemption in your mind for at least a period of time. So, he is not wrong to question. I think Freeze is a heck of a coach and I hope he has changed but he was hired for football #1 and his morals#2- that is obvious as Gill was a character guy but not getting it done like they wanted in football. Jerry Jr, is less worried of morality than getting the job done- he said that when questioned recently and said he was a lawyer and real estate developer not a preacher before taking over LU and his job was to make LU a financially & programmatically successful enterprise. His motives and choices are questioned by many on the LU board leading to one prominent director resigning. So I personally think Big Winner is not questioning from a hate of Christianity but noted facts. Personally I’m happy for LU , Javon, Hickson and all of Lynchburg for having a successful year. They played well against Syracuse, BYU and UVA ( to a degree). I think there are too many bowls but glad to see a local team get a chance. Just one perspective.
Yea
Not questioning right to an opinion.
And like I said I was/am still concerned about there testimony as of now.
If they now hold to LU’s mission then great.
If they stray then they should go.
Not questioning right to an opinion.
And like I said I was/am still concerned about there testimony as of now.
If they now hold to LU’s mission then great.
If they stray then they should go.
I enjoyed your response. And your perspective is a very level headed reasonable one. Thanks.
I believe Cure Bowl in Orando is it, based on information I heard at LU before and after the game Saturday.
Following the headline topic, I have been saying for the last few years that I believe that LU will eventually be the best team in the state of Virginia. I do not have any allegiance to the school, but just feel that with the facilities and money that they have will be a difference maker that eventually overtakes UVA and Tech.
For those that talk about the schedule being cupcakes, please keep in mind that schedules and agreements to play are made years and years in advance. You see headlines now about schools agreeing to play in 2030 and beyond. LU did not get into a conference, so they had to make their schedule with the teams that they could find with open dates. Also, lets remember that just 2 years ago, LU defeated the now one loss Baylor team that will be playing for the Big 12 Championship. They also played ACC Syracuse tough for awhile, beat a 7-5 Buffalo team, and lost to BYU by a TD. To me, that's just as impressive as NC State going 4-8 or UNC going 6-6 with their schedules and ACC play.
For those that talk about the schedule being cupcakes, please keep in mind that schedules and agreements to play are made years and years in advance. You see headlines now about schools agreeing to play in 2030 and beyond. LU did not get into a conference, so they had to make their schedule with the teams that they could find with open dates. Also, lets remember that just 2 years ago, LU defeated the now one loss Baylor team that will be playing for the Big 12 Championship. They also played ACC Syracuse tough for awhile, beat a 7-5 Buffalo team, and lost to BYU by a TD. To me, that's just as impressive as NC State going 4-8 or UNC going 6-6 with their schedules and ACC play.
Remember that win over Baylor? It came after the huge scandal that decimated that team, coach fired, AD fired, President Ken Starr had to step down and many players allowed to transfer and recruits backing out. By the way the Baylor AD ended up at LU also. But your article is interesting and you might be right one day. We all know what money and lots of it can do. Every time I go by LU I count the construction cranes.
One more observation. Look how quickly Baylor DID bounce back. Don't mess with Texas they say and especially Texas football.
FYI- I just was commenting in general from other posters- not yours specifically.
The answer is.....John 15:18-19.
"If the world hates you, you know that it hated me before it hated you." If you were of the world: the world would love you as its own, but because you are not of the world, I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you."
For some, anything and everything associated with the Christ brings hatred as he stated and predicted. Anything associated or closest to Christianity be it a tradition, a school, a person, an object, or an idea is the driving force of which some automatically take the opposite stance to the above. Of those that do this, many don't know they are doing it as predicted and stated by the Christ, but it's the very nature of the person that allows it to happen. Some do it intentionally and having full knowledge, and these are the dangerous ones. It's actually one of the central driving forces of their lives.
Oh I know why, and I didn't see anything that egregious in this post, just a general feeling.
I couldn't count how often I would see (even on a pastors FB page I believe) when anything God came up, instead of just moving on people have to make a comment like "you mean the mythical creature like the Easter bunny" or something like that. Just don't understand what that would accomplish except to be an idiot?
Again, NOTHING like that in this thread
Me? Because I questioned Liberty, such an outwardly religious institution, hiring someone that was hitting up escorts on a school phone? You're being ridiculous right now. If you want my true thoughts about Liberty I'll sure share them, but this was just about Freeze and a school that is so showered in religion. If you can't see how that seems off, there's something wrong with you. Second chances are fine, I'm in favor of them, but the optics are terrible.
If you can't take that little question, getting so riled up, maybe you don't need to post on a forum for your own health.
If you would like, maybe we can meet up at a nightclub in Miami to discuss all of it. Just no gross emails, please.