List of (realistic) coaches to replace Stoops.

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1.) LOL @ anyone who thinks Tom Herman would come here. The man is going to be the HC at a top 15 program after this season, especially after their huge win over Oklahoma and the prospect that they could conceivably go 12-0 this year now that they've beaten OU and play UL in their home arena.

2.) Now I've been a huge Mark Stoops supporter since he was announced as the new hire, but it has taken until now for me to realize that it is going to take someone else to right this ship. For me, the only choice of proven head coaches that would at least listen to Mitch would be Mike Leach. I wanted Leach over Joker back when Coach Brooks retired. Leach has proven that he can win in a power conference at a middle-of-the-pack school with less than top tier talent. Leach is from the west coast, but has repeatedly stated how much he loved living in Lexington and his desire to return. The stars are aligning for Leach's return to UK. He wasn't a realistic option for UK back in 2013 because he was coming off his first (and worst) season at Washington State and Mitch isn't going to try and pluck a first year coach away from any program, but he is at the end of a 5 year rollover contract at the end of this season and is in prime position for a program change.

I think the addition of Coach Leach would bring back a lot of the fans who have lost faith in the program. He was 47-33 in the Big 12 and is currently 13-23 in the Pac-12. So he is 60-56 for his career at two middle/lower-tier power 5 schools. He's 6-5 in bowl games (he did not coach TTU in their 2009 Alamo Bowl win over Michigan State, but it was his team with his philosophy and he would've won that game regardless so he technically should be 7-5). He has a career 105-74 record at two power conference schools. He's orchestrated some huge wins in his career going back to UK's win over #20 Alabama in 1997. He helped develop Tim Couch (still the most famous former football Wildcat imo, just ahead of Randall Cobb) into a #1 NFL Draft Pick. The man has a history of success that spans 3 different decades and the man would at least listen to UK.

3.) For everyone (Matt Jones included) who think that Coach Stoops couldn't be fired after this season because of the $12 million buyout are fooling themselves. If Coach Stoops team stinks it up this year and goes 3-9 or 4-8 then I can virtually guarantee that the school will weigh its options because of the potential loss of dollars involved with a fan base jumping ship and refusing to buy tickets or attend games. The same thing happened at the end of Jokers tenure. The school has put far too much money into the program and facilities upgrades for the team to lose the faith of the fan base.

Bottom line is despite what people like to say, Rich Brooks has dispelled the myth that you can't win at UK, proving that you can win here consistently. It's not Coach Stoops fault though. He didn't know what he was getting himself into here. He had a great plan of attack, but the follow through on that plan has lacked. He didn't know how truly hard it was going to be to come into the program and try to recruit against schools like Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, etc., etc., etc. He didn't know how difficult it was going to be to come in and coach against teams who were stacked at ever position and had 2nd and 3rd stringers who could compete with our 1st stringers. What we need is a coach who has been in the trenches already and knows how to win with less. Mike Leach is that man. He won 66% of his games at Texas Tech winning huge games over the likes of Oklahoma, Texas, Clemson, Baylor, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, California, Nebraska, and Kansas State. Then he goes to Washington State where he scores big wins against USC, California, Washington, Arizona, Oregon, and Miami U. Yes he has had his fair share of down games, but he has had enough upset wins over historically powerful programs to quell that for me, plus he's been to a bowl game in 11 of his 14 years as a HC (12 if you count the 2009 TTU Alamo bowl). The man knows how to win - period, and if you don't think that UK should be considered on the same tier as Texas Tech or Washington State then you're crazy.

At this point in the programs history, I do not think we can risk another Coordinator hire. We are at a point where we've become a laughing stock again and it has become increasingly harder and harder to come into work on Mondays after these terrible games and listen to the taunts of the UL fans each and every week. We as fans have invested farr too much time, money, and energy intot his program to be where we are at right now.
 

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LOL! Be honest. How many of you guys were predicting 7-8 wins a couple of weeks ago? On multiple threads, I tried to tell you that this is a 4-5 win team, but nobody was listening. So now, we have lost games to 2 football teams that were ranked higher than Kentucky in national polls, and some of you guys are freaking out. Instead of accepting what people like Lorenzen saw all along, many of you want to fire everyone this week. Here is what will happen. You can discount what I am saying now if you want, just like most of you discounted me in August when I told you this is a 4-5 win team. Kentucky has a bad offensive line coach, an OJT defensive coordinator, and a bad front 7. This team will get better, but the 2016 season won't be what everyone wants. We will easily beat NMSU, but basic problems remain. South Carolina, Vandy, Mississippi State are vulnerable, rebuilding teams that must travel to Lexington. Kentucky will win some of those games. This is probably still a 4-5 win team. If Stoops only squeezes 2-3 wins out of this year, then he could resign or be fired. The more likely picture is that Stoops survives to coach our team in 2017, which would become do or die. The next hire would probably be a young, winning head coach at a feeder school that has produced successful P5 head coaches in the past. It's the same path Hugh Freeze and Butch Jones took to the SEC. While this plays out, people need to take a deep breath and chill. Barnhart will not be fired. Briles and Leach will not be hired. People calling for stuff like that just lose credibility. So if you want to be taken seriously, learn from what you have seen, and try not to post before thinking carefully.

Blue Decade - their is a difference between losing and getting embarrassed. I hope you will at least concede this point. Yes I thought we would win - I believed in the coaching staff - now I believe you - which means this staff sucks and Mark Stoops is not the guy to lead it. So, thank you for admitting we need a new head coach!

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People like Brohm will have their pick of some really nice Power 5 jobs this year. We're waaaaay down the list, possibly among the least desirable P5 jobs. There will be no sexy hire here. We will need to hope to strike gold with relatively unknown coordinator (and risk another Stoops), or an older guy ala Brooks who would at least know how to manage a clock.

Of course, Mitch would have to try for a big hire, but we should prepare our selves to be underwhelmed by the interested candidates.

As for the buyout, I'm guessing it would be paid over a couple years at least, which makes it easier to stomach.
 

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Blue Decade - their is a difference between losing and getting embarrassed. I hope you will at least concede this point. Yes I thought we would win - I believed in the coaching staff - now I believe you - which means this staff sucks and Mark Stoops is not the guy to lead it. So, thank you for admitting we need a new head coach!

Go Big Blue!

Great post! I agree totally. I was completely on board the optimist train and was predicting a 9 win season, but that ship has sailed far, far away. Not because we lost the first two games, but with HOW we lost the first two games. It would be OK to be 0-2 if we lost 35-44 to Southern Miss if we were down and orchestrated a big comeback that lost steam in the final minutes and then went down to Florida and lost 21-35 or something like that, but to blow a huge lead at home against an (on paper) inferior team with a whole new coaching staff and then go on the road and lose embarrassingly bad to a less than stellar Florida team (by their standards) is inexcusable. I predict that if we dont destroy New Mexico State, beat or lose close to USCjr., and beat Vandy, then we may be hearing some serious "Stoops is out" conversations starting.
 
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Kingsbury is an interesting case. He could be the next Briles (in the on-field sense). He just doesn't know defense at all. You could argue that it took Briles a while to figure out how to field a good enough defense. Kliff is only 37, so he has lots of time to learn.

We could bring him in with a good DC who is development oriented, and we could really have something great by year 3.
 

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I am surprised PJ Fleck isn't mentioned more on here. If we are talking "realistic" candidates, he has to be near the top of the list. If Western Michigan wins at Illinois this weekend, his name will fly to the top of a lot of schools lists (it already is). He is going to be an absolute stud of a coach IMO.
 

Blue Decade

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NEVER HAPPEN, but there certainly no law about not asking.

LOL! I am not defending Stoops here, but the Stoops brothers are still respected in the football business. Take a good look at this board. Coaching candidates are aware of how the previous coach was treated. Does anyone really think Tom Herman, the most marketable college football coach in the country right now, will leave Houston and take the Kentucky job? Does anyone think lots of money would entice Herman, a guy who can have any open job, to move his family to Lexington to entertain us? Delusional.
 

Mr Schwump

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LOL! I am not defending Stoops here, but the Stoops brothers are still respected in the football business. Take a good look at this board. Coaching candidates are aware of how the previous coach was treated. Does anyone really think Tom Herman, the most marketable college football coach in the country right now, will leave Houston and take the Kentucky job? Does anyone think lots of money would entice Herman, a guy who can have any open job, to move his family to Lexington to entertain us? Delusional.

Still think Herman ends up in the NFL sooner rather than later.
 

tonyyw

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1.) LOL @ anyone who thinks Tom Herman would come here. The man is going to be the HC at a top 15 program after this season, especially after their huge win over Oklahoma and the prospect that they could conceivably go 12-0 this year now that they've beaten OU and play UL in their home arena.

2.) Now I've been a huge Mark Stoops supporter since he was announced as the new hire, but it has taken until now for me to realize that it is going to take someone else to right this ship. For me, the only choice of proven head coaches that would at least listen to Mitch would be Mike Leach. I wanted Leach over Joker back when Coach Brooks retired. Leach has proven that he can win in a power conference at a middle-of-the-pack school with less than top tier talent. Leach is from the west coast, but has repeatedly stated how much he loved living in Lexington and his desire to return. The stars are aligning for Leach's return to UK. He wasn't a realistic option for UK back in 2013 because he was coming off his first (and worst) season at Washington State and Mitch isn't going to try and pluck a first year coach away from any program, but he is at the end of a 5 year rollover contract at the end of this season and is in prime position for a program change.

I think the addition of Coach Leach would bring back a lot of the fans who have lost faith in the program. He was 47-33 in the Big 12 and is currently 13-23 in the Pac-12. So he is 60-56 for his career at two middle/lower-tier power 5 schools. He's 6-5 in bowl games (he did not coach TTU in their 2009 Alamo Bowl win over Michigan State, but it was his team with his philosophy and he would've won that game regardless so he technically should be 7-5). He has a career 105-74 record at two power conference schools. He's orchestrated some huge wins in his career going back to UK's win over #20 Alabama in 1997. He helped develop Tim Couch (still the most famous former football Wildcat imo, just ahead of Randall Cobb) into a #1 NFL Draft Pick. The man has a history of success that spans 3 different decades and the man would at least listen to UK.

3.) For everyone (Matt Jones included) who think that Coach Stoops couldn't be fired after this season because of the $12 million buyout are fooling themselves. If Coach Stoops team stinks it up this year and goes 3-9 or 4-8 then I can virtually guarantee that the school will weigh its options because of the potential loss of dollars involved with a fan base jumping ship and refusing to buy tickets or attend games. The same thing happened at the end of Jokers tenure. The school has put far too much money into the program and facilities upgrades for the team to lose the faith of the fan base.

Bottom line is despite what people like to say, Rich Brooks has dispelled the myth that you can't win at UK, proving that you can win here consistently. It's not Coach Stoops fault though. He didn't know what he was getting himself into here. He had a great plan of attack, but the follow through on that plan has lacked. He didn't know how truly hard it was going to be to come into the program and try to recruit against schools like Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, etc., etc., etc. He didn't know how difficult it was going to be to come in and coach against teams who were stacked at ever position and had 2nd and 3rd stringers who could compete with our 1st stringers. What we need is a coach who has been in the trenches already and knows how to win with less. Mike Leach is that man. He won 66% of his games at Texas Tech winning huge games over the likes of Oklahoma, Texas, Clemson, Baylor, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, California, Nebraska, and Kansas State. Then he goes to Washington State where he scores big wins against USC, California, Washington, Arizona, Oregon, and Miami U. Yes he has had his fair share of down games, but he has had enough upset wins over historically powerful programs to quell that for me, plus he's been to a bowl game in 11 of his 14 years as a HC (12 if you count the 2009 TTU Alamo bowl). The man knows how to win - period, and if you don't think that UK should be considered on the same tier as Texas Tech or Washington State then you're crazy.

At this point in the programs history, I do not think we can risk another Coordinator hire. We are at a point where we've become a laughing stock again and it has become increasingly harder and harder to come into work on Mondays after these terrible games and listen to the taunts of the UL fans each and every week. We as fans have invested farr too much time, money, and energy intot his program to be where we are at right now.
 

tonyyw

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We need a coach with catchy names like Jimbo Fisher or Dabo Swinney or Bronco Mendenhall or Kliff Kingsbury or Bo Pelini...they seldom lose because press and fans would make fun of their names...at this point what do we have to lose? Go BBN!
 

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We need a coach with catchy names like Jimbo Fisher or Dabo Swinney or Bronco Mendenhall or Kliff Kingsbury or Bo Pelini...they seldom lose because press and fans would make fun of their names...at this point what do we have to lose? Go BBN!
Hal Mumme? Joker Phillips? Like that?
 

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If Barnhart makes the hire his choice will be:

1. Neal Brown

2. Coach Brown at Troy

3. The HC at Troy

I'm not saying that's good or bad, just Barnhart's M.O.
I would call that a homerun hire for Barnhart considering his hiring record.
 

brianpoe

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LOL! I am not defending Stoops here, but the Stoops brothers are still respected in the football business. Take a good look at this board. Coaching candidates are aware of how the previous coach was treated. Does anyone really think Tom Herman, the most marketable college football coach in the country right now, will leave Houston and take the Kentucky job? Does anyone think lots of money would entice Herman, a guy who can have any open job, to move his family to Lexington to entertain us? Delusional.



Easy big fella...

Why are you throwing around Herman when only the #worstposterever @ulismyman mentioned him and everyone else said he was crazy?


I also do not understand everyone's infatuation with the money issue.

The athletic budget is huge. The new SEC deal is huge. Athletics gives millions to the academic side every year.

Even with the $20M payout to all coaches, it will be over a few years not all at once. It most definitely can be done.

Waiting until next year to fire Stoops only saves a few million. (Edited)

Waiting also wastes next years experienced returners and will add another poor recruiting class which we will have this year if things keep going south. The next coach will start below ground zero yet again.

If the ship isn't righted in the next few weeks, let's break the cycle of not waiting until the program is decimated before making a change.

I have zero faith that our AD will do this btw.
 
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Until we get an AD who cares about football or someone else to do the hiring, we will end up with another experimental HC. I have no faith that Mitch will hire anyone, much less go after, anyone who would be a homerun hire.
cares about football

ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX MILLION DOLLARS INVESTED - TRUE FOOTBALL FACILITIES -
Just a bad hire - let's hope he pulls one of those post Billy G screw ups with football -
 

brianpoe

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ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY SIX MILLION DOLLARS INVESTED - TRUE FOOTBALL FACILITIES -
Just a bad hire - let's hope he pulls one of those post Billy G screw ups with football -


Agree... let's hope he gets the hell out of the way and lets someone else make a good hire.
 
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I bet Tuberville is the top target if Stoops is fired. Mitch's kind of guy. Economic and already in close proximity.
 

catfando

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Kingsbury is an interesting case. He could be the next Briles (in the on-field sense). He just doesn't know defense at all. You could argue that it took Briles a while to figure out how to field a good enough defense. Kliff is only 37, so he has lots of time to learn.

We could bring him in with a good DC who is development oriented, and we could really have something great by year 3.

Well Chaney from A&M might be available if Sumlin tanks down the stretch
 

RACdad

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Stoops is not going anywhere, but I'll play this game.
The guy UK needs to hire is down I65. I don't care if the guy loves him some UofL or not. He is a rising young coach. If not Brohm I'd look at ( I hate to say it) Lane Kiffin.
 

K_TIME

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In no particular order
Jeff Brohm
Gus Malzahn (if he's fired)
Kevin Sumlin (if he's fired)
James Franklin (if he's fired)
Lane Kiffin
Dan Mullen (I highly doubt UK could lure him from Miss St)
David Cutcliffe (Again..>I highly doubt UK could lure him away)
Jim Grobe
Butch Davis

There are always going to be candidates every year...but if UK is handcuffed with paying off a big chunk of change to Stoops/staff it may hinder the ability to throw enough money on the table to lure these guys to UK.
 
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Just a bad hire - let's hope he pulls one of those post Billy G screw ups with football -
The trouble is Saban is not waiting beside the phone for a call
 

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List who you think they are and why.

I think they have to be an offensive coach, and again as I've said a billion times someone who calls his own plays (so we don't have to replace our OC every successful season.

1. Mike Leach. Not the sexiest hire, but imo the best one we could make considering his offensive prowess, ability to do more with less and his coaching experience. And yes.... I realize he's 0-2 this year. I will counter your argument by saying if you don't think Leach is a MASSIVE upgrade to Stoops your an idiot.

2. Dana Holgorsen. Another air raid guru. He's had a good run at WVU but apparently has been looking to leave since they joined the big 12. Too hard to lure texas kids across the country to wv, so you end up playing with Carolina and Virginia hs talent against Texas hs talent....not good. Still he's done extremely well considering all the moving parts he's had to deal with imo.

3. Dino Babers. Former Briles assist and has done extremely well everywhere he's been (eastern ill, bowling green and now Syracuse) his old QB at Eastern Ill just beat the Cardinals tonight and his other former assist Sterlin Gilbert is now tearing it up at texas as OC.

4. Phillip Montgomery. Baylors playcaller from 08-14. In his second year as HC at Tulsa. Nuff said.

Leach is currently 0-2. WSU may fire him if his season does not turn around. Babers is an interesting pick. Would he leave Cuse after just 2 years? I want to see how his team plays out the season. Not sure Holgerson would consider the move.
 

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I bet Tuberville is the top target if Stoops is fired. Mitch's kind of guy. Economic and already in close proximity.

Tubberville or Houston Nutt. These guys know what it takes to win in the SEC. Nutt was let go but he did have some success at Arkansas. Also James Franklin would be a good choice. Bottomline all of these guys worked in the SEC and know the ins/outs of what it takes to be competitive in this league.
 

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Did not know that. Good catch. UK should without a doubt go after Brohm but there are a few issues with that. First, UK can't realistically go after any coach until after the end of the 2018 season..I don't expect Jeff Brohm to still be at WKU in 2018. Secondly UK should throw the farm at him if he's still there in 2018...but if he's held out that long and been successful, he's angling for a big time program somewhere and combined with his family ties I think it might be difficult to lure him to Kentucky.

Why do you need to be here telling us what is realistic? We make a lot more money than UL, UK can afford a $12MM buyout if it means preventing two years of empty bleachers and embarrassments on the football field (not to mention dead recruiting).
 

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LOL! Be honest. How many of you guys were predicting 7-8 wins a couple of weeks ago? On multiple threads, I tried to tell you that this is a 4-5 win team, but nobody was listening. So now, we have lost games to 2 football teams that were ranked higher than Kentucky in national polls, and some of you guys are freaking out. Instead of accepting what people like Lorenzen saw all along, many of you want to fire everyone this week. Here is what will happen. You can discount what I am saying now if you want, just like most of you discounted me in August when I told you this is a 4-5 win team. Kentucky has a bad offensive line coach, an OJT defensive coordinator, and a bad front 7. This team will get better, but the 2016 season won't be what everyone wants. We will easily beat NMSU, but basic problems remain. South Carolina, Vandy, Mississippi State are vulnerable, rebuilding teams that must travel to Lexington. Kentucky will win some of those games. This is probably still a 4-5 win team. If Stoops only squeezes 2-3 wins out of this year, then he could resign or be fired. The more likely picture is that Stoops survives to coach our team in 2017, which would become do or die. The next hire would probably be a young, winning head coach at a feeder school that has produced successful P5 head coaches in the past. It's the same path Hugh Freeze and Butch Jones took to the SEC. While this plays out, people need to take a deep breath and chill. Barnhart will not be fired. Briles and Leach will not be hired. People calling for stuff like that just lose credibility. So if you want to be taken seriously, learn from what you have seen, and try not to post before thinking carefully. Above all, our players deserve your support.

I understand where you're coming from, though I have watched Vandy, South Carolina, and Miss state and I do not see any wins there (South Carolina is the best hope, but they look better than UK IMO).

Also, when people like Matt Jones start stoking the fires, things tend to happen. I wouldn't discount a change in 2016.
 
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1.) LOL @ anyone who thinks Tom Herman would come here. The man is going to be the HC at a top 15 program after this season, especially after their huge win over Oklahoma and the prospect that they could conceivably go 12-0 this year now that they've beaten OU and play UL in their home arena.

2.) Now I've been a huge Mark Stoops supporter since he was announced as the new hire, but it has taken until now for me to realize that it is going to take someone else to right this ship. For me, the only choice of proven head coaches that would at least listen to Mitch would be Mike Leach. I wanted Leach over Joker back when Coach Brooks retired. Leach has proven that he can win in a power conference at a middle-of-the-pack school with less than top tier talent. Leach is from the west coast, but has repeatedly stated how much he loved living in Lexington and his desire to return. The stars are aligning for Leach's return to UK. He wasn't a realistic option for UK back in 2013 because he was coming off his first (and worst) season at Washington State and Mitch isn't going to try and pluck a first year coach away from any program, but he is at the end of a 5 year rollover contract at the end of this season and is in prime position for a program change.

I think the addition of Coach Leach would bring back a lot of the fans who have lost faith in the program. He was 47-33 in the Big 12 and is currently 13-23 in the Pac-12. So he is 60-56 for his career at two middle/lower-tier power 5 schools. He's 6-5 in bowl games (he did not coach TTU in their 2009 Alamo Bowl win over Michigan State, but it was his team with his philosophy and he would've won that game regardless so he technically should be 7-5). He has a career 105-74 record at two power conference schools. He's orchestrated some huge wins in his career going back to UK's win over #20 Alabama in 1997. He helped develop Tim Couch (still the most famous former football Wildcat imo, just ahead of Randall Cobb) into a #1 NFL Draft Pick. The man has a history of success that spans 3 different decades and the man would at least listen to UK.

3.) For everyone (Matt Jones included) who think that Coach Stoops couldn't be fired after this season because of the $12 million buyout are fooling themselves. If Coach Stoops team stinks it up this year and goes 3-9 or 4-8 then I can virtually guarantee that the school will weigh its options because of the potential loss of dollars involved with a fan base jumping ship and refusing to buy tickets or attend games. The same thing happened at the end of Jokers tenure. The school has put far too much money into the program and facilities upgrades for the team to lose the faith of the fan base.

Bottom line is despite what people like to say, Rich Brooks has dispelled the myth that you can't win at UK, proving that you can win here consistently. It's not Coach Stoops fault though. He didn't know what he was getting himself into here. He had a great plan of attack, but the follow through on that plan has lacked. He didn't know how truly hard it was going to be to come into the program and try to recruit against schools like Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, etc., etc., etc. He didn't know how difficult it was going to be to come in and coach against teams who were stacked at ever position and had 2nd and 3rd stringers who could compete with our 1st stringers. What we need is a coach who has been in the trenches already and knows how to win with less. Mike Leach is that man. He won 66% of his games at Texas Tech winning huge games over the likes of Oklahoma, Texas, Clemson, Baylor, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, California, Nebraska, and Kansas State. Then he goes to Washington State where he scores big wins against USC, California, Washington, Arizona, Oregon, and Miami U. Yes he has had his fair share of down games, but he has had enough upset wins over historically powerful programs to quell that for me, plus he's been to a bowl game in 11 of his 14 years as a HC (12 if you count the 2009 TTU Alamo bowl). The man knows how to win - period, and if you don't think that UK should be considered on the same tier as Texas Tech or Washington State then you're crazy.

At this point in the programs history, I do not think we can risk another Coordinator hire. We are at a point where we've become a laughing stock again and it has become increasingly harder and harder to come into work on Mondays after these terrible games and listen to the taunts of the UL fans each and every week. We as fans have invested farr too much time, money, and energy intot his program to be where we are at right now.

Don't rule out Herman to the NFL.
 

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LOL! Be honest. How many of you guys were predicting 7-8 wins a couple of weeks ago? On multiple threads, I tried to tell you that this is a 4-5 win team, but nobody was listening. So now, we have lost games to 2 football teams that were ranked higher than Kentucky in national polls, and some of you guys are freaking out. Instead of accepting what people like Lorenzen saw all along, many of you want to fire everyone this week. Here is what will happen. You can discount what I am saying now if you want, just like most of you discounted me in August when I told you this is a 4-5 win team. Kentucky has a bad offensive line coach, an OJT defensive coordinator, and a bad front 7. This team will get better, but the 2016 season won't be what everyone wants. We will easily beat NMSU, but basic problems remain. South Carolina, Vandy, Mississippi State are vulnerable, rebuilding teams that must travel to Lexington. Kentucky will win some of those games. This is probably still a 4-5 win team. If Stoops only squeezes 2-3 wins out of this year, then he could resign or be fired. The more likely picture is that Stoops survives to coach our team in 2017, which would become do or die. The next hire would probably be a young, winning head coach at a feeder school that has produced successful P5 head coaches in the past. It's the same path Hugh Freeze and Butch Jones took to the SEC. While this plays out, people need to take a deep breath and chill. Barnhart will not be fired. Briles and Leach will not be hired. People calling for stuff like that just lose credibility. So if you want to be taken seriously, learn from what you have seen, and try not to post before thinking carefully. Above all, our players deserve your support.

If UK fans would listen more to people like Lorenzen and take Freddie Maggard's hype with a grain of salt, they could see train wrecks like this coming.
 

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If Barnhart makes the hire his choice will be:

1. Neal Brown

2. Coach Brown at Troy

3. The HC at Troy

I'm not saying that's good or bad, just Barnhart's M.O.

You should say whether that is good or bad. It is easy to take the wait and see.