Listen to the interview with Ted Nugent
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From a guy who **** his pants to keep from serving in the military yet you'd think he was in Delta Force. Typical right wing whacko chicken hawk. he and Trump are made for each other. Was Nugent ever on Apprentice?
Did you serve? Let me guess........you never have. Shitting your pants must have worked for you.
Funny stuff! Deflecting for a right wing nut job who acts like a soldier and ultimate patriot who literally did **** his pants to get of of serving in Vietnam. Not surprising that you want to ignore this great American's service to our country.
http://www.military.com/video/opera...ow-ted-nugent-avoided-the-draft/1581347852001
Nugent is the great pseudo-patriot. Another Trump! And yet people fall right in behind him.
Nugget **** his pants, didn't bathe, and prepared himself well to avoid being drafted. He admitted it. I highly doubt Mark avoided the draft (or military service). He may look very old and in need but he isn't Nugent, draft age old.
Nice deflection.....Lets try again.....Did you serve? I couldn't care less who **** their pants. I still bet you did not serve like millions of us did. You could have served but my guess is that you did not.
How about enlisting like many of us did? Your pal Mark could have enlisted like millions of others did long after the draft was done away with. Obviously he was a chicken ****.
I don't care anything about Ted Nugent, he means nothing to me. There is very little difference between ignoring his lack of serving and yours. You both did not serve even though you both could have.
it's called a volunteer army for a reason. And was the enlisting comment directed at me or him?
It was meant for the person Mark that you mentioned. However I can aim it at ANYONE that points fingers at another when they are guilty of the same. If someone is bent out of shape because somebody took advantage of a legal out AND they themselves opted out, I call that person a bonifide hypocrite.
Yes it is......if anyone wants to serve they can. Some walk the walk while others like your friend Mark and Ted Nugent are all talk.
Mark didn't opt out. Where do you get he did? He must have said once he committed to volunteering and changed his mind. That's opting out, if he did commit, but to never commit is not opting out.
Ted the fake did opt out via a charade and admitted so. If you want to call that legal, ok, but Clinton and Bush and others were "legal" too. So do they get a pass? Do others here not volunteering get a pass?
Daggone! This board has reached new lows. Quoting Ted Nugent and posting his interviews? WOW! I guess the next thing we'll see is Alex Jones.
First, I don't give two ***** about what this guy Mark or Ted Nugent did or did not do. Yes... others here get a pass for not volunteering to serve their country. However, ones that dump on others for getting out of serving leave themselves open for questioning when they HAD the chance to to so and declined for whatever reasons. I have never criticized Bill Clinton for not serving and the last time I checked, Bush did serve.
do you apply such logic to other examples where someone dumps on another for something they themselves had to chance to do or is this specific to military service? Otherwise, I'm guessing you are personalizing your comments to him because you don't like this opinion and not the real issue of whether he served but using it as a reason to dump on him.
Yes...you should have picked up on it by now.....When someone points out Trumps campaign lies or promises I introduce lies and promises OTHERS have made. Do you now understand?
I am going to "appeal to the stone" and dismiss your claim as absurd without demonstrating proof for its absurdity. The absurdity speaks for itself.
Here's the issue. Some claim Nugent is a great patriot, yet he went to extremes to ensure that he would get a low draft grade at a time when we were drafting men into service to go to war. We no longer do that, and we were not doing that when RPJ was of the requisite age to be drafted. This is a simple principle. It's easy for the Nuge to walk the walk after the fact. It wasn't easy for him when the country wanted him to do it. And the other issue is that someone else had to take his spot. Nugent put himself before the country and his fellow countrymen when his country asked for his help.
I agree with all of that, but I think a valid point is also don't criticize someone for something you yourself chose not to do.
Exactly. Some people are pretty dense. Either that or they'll throw anything, no matter how ridiculous or illogical, out there to try to disparage the other side to "win" an argument. Nugent is a fraud and his actions prove it.
There is a huge difference between choosing not to enlist and literally crapping your pants at a physical to determine your draft eligibility. Anything that I would say about what I would have done if I was of age during Vietnam is pure conjecture.
Also, I think there are limits to your statement about criticizing someone over something I chose not to do. I chose not to pursue a music career, but I can still say that Justin Bieber's music is crap.
The question is not is Nugent a fraud. I think we can ALL agree that he is. My point is about the hypocrisy of another "fraud", the one that whines about service to our country........but himself NEVER did REGARDLESS if asked or not.
I was talking specific to the military. Me personally, i think the Nuge is a moron.
Don't waste your time........as another person stated; "Some people are pretty dense". They suddenly get brain cramps when confronted with logic. Anyone that is a follower of Cenk Uygur has major issues.
Logic would lead you to the kind of comparison I made about music. But we aren't talking about 2 folks making choices about the military under circumstances that are even remotely close.
Just out of curiosity, how did you feel about Trump's criticism of McCain?
You didn't ask me, but as a military man, I think Trump is a certified piece of **** and unfit to lead our country. That specific instance was disgusting.
I'm not in the military and never have been ... but this seems like a false equivalency. Choosing not to enlist is one thing, going to great lengths to avoid the draft is different.
Choosing college or trade school or taking over your family business instead of enlisting in the military isn't the same as dodging the draft. In the end, yes, neither served, but the reasons both reached that same ultimate truth make it a different situation.
Let me be more clear. I'm not at all saying they are the same, as in I'm not criticizing RPJs choice to not join and serve. I see nothing wrong with his decision, but to criticize someone else when not choosing to is to me a tad hypocritical. IMO, the best approach would to refrain from commenting on it. I do have an opinion on "Uncle Ted" did, but even for me, I wasn't alive then and it was a different time/war. I probably wouldn't have done the same as what he did.
I guess we'll probably disagree on this, but here's how I sum it up:
draft doge -> dishonorable
not enlisting -> not dishonorable (not as honorable as serving, but not dishonorable)
I don't see anything hypocritical about somebody not enlisting pointing out that they find draft dodging dishonorable.
This is a very reasonable viewpoint, imo. Born and dvl have a different perspective obviously and i can't help believe their ideology isn't playing a part of their discussion. Especially since in almost every instance, it dictates their behavior.
I figure most of what I post is open for comment and discussion from anyone who chooses to involve themselves. It's an open forum, right?
I couldn't believe that Trump's comment on McCain's service didn't pull more people away from him. If that wasn't enough to make you change your mind, giving out Graham's personal cell phone number when Graham said what I think most sane people think about that comment should have really hurt him. It seems like both just stoked the fires of those in support of him though. I don't know whether to be more disgusted with Trump for his comments/actions or his supporters for sticking with him through that. He's had several moments that would have been the death knell of most political campaigns. This election cycle is a strange one for sure.
My opinion WRT that is a bit different. There's no question that they lean right, but I've found both to be pretty balanced and reasonable in their opinions. You seem to lean left, but I also find you to be pretty balanced and reasonable in your opinions. Born might be a little more "dyed in the wool" republican, but he will also call ******** regardless of affiliation. I enjoy exchanges with both and respect both of their opinions.
Honestly I think the majority of people on this board are that way. They lean this way or that, but once you get past the initial emotional reaction their viewpoints are reasonable. There are obviously some who aren't, but for everybody else it's just a question of how long it takes to get past that initial response.
That's my take anyway.
I'm more disgusted with the supporters. Trump is what he is. But out of ALL of the GOP choices available this year, I don't see how anybody would settle on Trump being the best choice for POTUS. Most of the time I can at least see and understand why somebody would support one candidate over another even if I don't agree ... this one I don't understand at all.
I tend to avoid commenting on others' service since I made the decision to go to college instead of enlisting. I consider the draft a different animal all together though. Like I said before, I can't know what I would have done if I were in Nugent's shoes during Vietnam. Too many factors would have changed in my life if I was of that age at that time. Who knows how that would have impacted my life or my opinions? My theoretical opinion is that you respond when called to by your country. I don't see a problem with people who got legitimate deferrals in that era - family, necessary industry, school, medical - but I do have a problem with people choosing to dodge. In my opinion, Nugent was trying to dodge, same as Jim Morrison who exploited a loophole with a lie.