Little history tidbit related to Trump's plan
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That sounds about right, I'd just started grad school and was working registration when that happened. The main reason most of them were given the boot @ WVU is they were using several different ID's to get financial aid.
What was surprising was the number of Iranian students that dropped out of school and went home when the Revolution happened. American college campuses were overrun with Iranians in the 70's, you couldn't throw a rock without hitting one. By '81 they were few and far between.
What was surprising was the number of Iranian students that dropped out of school and went home when the Revolution happened. American college campuses were overrun with Iranians in the 70's, you couldn't throw a rock without hitting one. By '81 they were few and far between.
Iranians, not all Muslims from anywhere. Crickets? How about, Ridiculous comparison not worthy of a response.
But this is typical from Trump...blurt out some gaffe out there with no/little forethought, then rather than fix it or, heaven forbid, apologize, he gets defensive, changes the argument, then says the press misrepresents him.
Oh by the way pops...I believe those Iranians also had to oppose the Shiite Islamist regime...so there was a bit of Islam/Muslim tint to his decree.
Yes, if they were hostile nations. Muslim is a religion, not a nationality. There's probably not a country on earth outside of North Korea and the Vatican that doesn't have Muslims in the population. Carter's actions were in response to specific actions by a specific nation, and the fact that the Iranians were Muslim had nothing to do with it.
But keep trolling.
Yes. If the govt of Pakistan or india or anywhere else conducted an act of aggression against the US, they will and should suffer the consequences.
PS How do you even get dressed each morning?
How was Carter going to determine if the Iranian in question opposed the Shiite Islamist regime?
Then we move into the province of political asylum and that vetting process. You're welcome.
I'm pretty sure that's why he ordered them to report to immigration to have their visas reviewed, and how the government determined that 15,000 of them should be deported. Are you really that dense, or just a troll, or yanking our chains?
As well as we vetted Tashfeen Malik...we kinda missed on that one don't you think.
She wasn't a refugee. If you are going to attempt to argue a point, at least get the basic facts right.
She entered the country on a K1 visa... K1 applicants, like other visa applicants, undergo an extensive counterterrorism screening that includes checks based on fingerprints and facial recognition software.
I honestly don't know the difference in screening processes for the different status of individuals. But I have seen individuals on both sides of the aisle admit the "fiance visa" which has been described as being the easiest way to get in the country and it is vastly different than a refugee attempting entry.
I believe K1 and 'fiance' visa are the same...or at least the same vetting process.
I am not up on all these different religions. Please explain something that was a bit confusing. I looked up Muslim, and was referred to Islam. When I looked up Islam, it was the "Muslim religion".
If Islam is the religion of the Muslim people, is Muslim not a philosophy then? They are not identified by a country. Are we to accept all Muslims as a religion that subs out their religious aspect to Islam?
If they are double or 2X religion, what aspect of their calling told those people to kill those folks in California? Until we get some clarification about those religionS(?), I am going to have to agree with The Donald. Would he have been proper if he had said Islamists instead of Muslims? Where can I find something that tells me it is absolutely proper for our politicians to allow people with these beliefs to find an Open Door policy to use US Citizens for target practice?
The majority of Iranian students here in the 70's had fled Iran to get away from the Shah, a brutal dictator we installed and supported. Our govt. allowed the Shah's secret police, the Savak, to operate freely in this country to torture, eliminate and remove dissidents on American soil.
When the Shah was deposed, the Iranian's started heading home in droves. What caused the hostage crisis was Carter allowing the Shah into the country for medical treatment after multiple countries refused him entry due to his human rights record The new Iranian govt. warned our govt. numerous times that their would be consequences if he was allowed into the US. Carter and Kissinger gave him the nod and the Iranians stormed and occupied our embassy. All over a torturing and murderous POS that was dead within weeks of being allowed in the country.
Was he worth it? Was the hostage crisis necessary? Hell no.
When the Shah was deposed, the Iranian's started heading home in droves. What caused the hostage crisis was Carter allowing the Shah into the country for medical treatment after multiple countries refused him entry due to his human rights record The new Iranian govt. warned our govt. numerous times that their would be consequences if he was allowed into the US. Carter and Kissinger gave him the nod and the Iranians stormed and occupied our embassy. All over a torturing and murderous POS that was dead within weeks of being allowed in the country.
Was he worth it? Was the hostage crisis necessary? Hell no.
My apologies to Henry. Brzezenski was the numbnut who advised Carter on that move with Shah. It's been over 35 years and I still get raging mad about the damned mess.
Hooray Henry was a main player in opening the door to allow the Shah's secret police to run free in the US in the 70's pursuing Iranian dissidents when he advised Nixon and Ford. The Ayatollah and his fundamentalist crew were ensconced in revolving safehouses in Switzerland and France while the Savak chased the secular opposition in the States and abroad.
The Ayatollah's advisers led one of the first social media campaigns from his safe havens via mini audio cassettes smuggled into Iran consisting of speeches and instructions for his followers. Those big heeled platform shoes of the 70's played the part of one of the main vehicles to get them in. No self-respecting religious Iranians were thought to wear those disco clogs favored by the secular youth in Iran by Iranian customs.
Trojan shoes, who would have thunk it?
Hooray Henry was a main player in opening the door to allow the Shah's secret police to run free in the US in the 70's pursuing Iranian dissidents when he advised Nixon and Ford. The Ayatollah and his fundamentalist crew were ensconced in revolving safehouses in Switzerland and France while the Savak chased the secular opposition in the States and abroad.
The Ayatollah's advisers led one of the first social media campaigns from his safe havens via mini audio cassettes smuggled into Iran consisting of speeches and instructions for his followers. Those big heeled platform shoes of the 70's played the part of one of the main vehicles to get them in. No self-respecting religious Iranians were thought to wear those disco clogs favored by the secular youth in Iran by Iranian customs.
Trojan shoes, who would have thunk it?
It is the same visa, K-1 is just the code for a fiancé/fiancee visa. All foreigners applying to emigrate to the U.S. go through the same vetting process. You can see an overview of the application process here:
http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/en/immigrate/family/fiance-k-1.html
Also, there are no quota restrictions as there are for other categories of immigration.
No doubt that the Shah was a brutal dictator. However, given the Cold War climate at the time and Iran's geographic location bordering Soviet territory, Iran was an important strategic country for the US to have on our side. Carter is probably the greatest advocate of human rights of any President we've ever had. But because of Iran's importance at the time, that trumped human rights. I don't fault Carter for allowing the Shah into the country for medical treatment. After all, he was our ally for many years. But the lesson of Iran has been lost on us apparently-at least some of us. Sometimes a dictator is in the US's best interest over the unknown of a bunch of people controlled by religious zealotry who take the dictator's place in power. Iraq was a huge *** up. So is Libya.
What exactly is your point? That since Carter did something that sounds similar that it should be OK that Trump is proposing it?
Isn't Carter consistently considered the worst president ever? If that's the case, why would anybody endorse any of the same actions he took?
