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Locke has a good column about the basketball team.

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SyonaraStanz

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He hit the nail on the head. What was our announced crowd Saturday? Low attendance is how we'll get rid of Stans.
 
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sardis

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isn't past half court and the rebound goes back up the court for layup and our team is still standing around trying to change gears is crazy. There are no x's and o's with this team which leads to frustration and then to no heart. Discipline is missing top to bottom. We play stupid! Who was that guy that started off by making sure everyone tied their shoes the right way?? It starts from the top and either he sits down and does that or it's going to be over pretty soon.
 
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sardis said:
isn't past half court and the rebound goes back up the court for layup and our team is still standing around trying to change gears is crazy. There are no x's and o's with this team which leads to frustration and then to no heart. Discipline is missing top to bottom. We play stupid!<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Who was that guy that started off by making sure everyone tied their shoes the right way??</span> It starts from the top and either he sits down and does that or it's going to be over pretty soon.
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I trust this was sarcasm, right?
 
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Coach34

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for years has been wrong with the program and on the court.


Constant transfers to keep us from having quality depth
Lack of an offensive strategy
Hockey line substitutions that made no sense
Poor execution out of time-outs and at ends of games
Lack of discipline
Lack of team strength
Wins built on teams with RPI's less than 150

The fact that some people think this is our first bad season is baffling to me

What scares the ever-loving hell out of me is that he will get one more season, schedule weakly again, end making the NIT Final 8 or some **** and some people will think that is good enough for him to stay and coach in 2013
 
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captaindawg

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I do not see anyway that he survives after this season. This has been a perfect storm leading to him either "retiring" or taking another job if he doesn't get fired outright. I'm not mad at the losses or frustrated. I'm just to the point that I could care less. More and more fans are growing weary and apathetic towards this team and the coach. When that starts happening with the big donors (if it hasn't already) then Stricklin has to make a move. Even look at the posts on this board and others. There are less and less posts talking about the team than normal. People just don't care anymore. Its looking alot like 2003 in football.
 
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Tds &amp; Beer

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watch them make an offensive trip down the court and not see how terrible Stansbury is? As soon as I watch one possession, I'm ready to turn the television off. They can forget seeing me at the hump this year. I refuse to support this program until there is a coach in there that will allow me to watch more than a possession without wanting to throw something. Any booster who supports Stansbury is too emotionally invested or has no basketball background. For example,whenour players want the ball, they put one hand on the defender and hold their arm out to call for theball, versus making a v cut and commanding the ball. Then when they receive the pass, they stand straight up with the ball over their head, versus being in the triplethreat position. That right there is an immediate sign of a poorly coached basketball team, and that isbefore westart our ******** offense.
 
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patdog

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Coach34 said:
The fact that some people think this is our first bad season is baffling to me
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Maybe because it IS the first bad season. At least the first bad one since 05-06. Stans has his faults as a coach, but overall he's been a pretty good coach for us. It's time for him to go, but don't let your hate for him block out the good he's done for us. We'll be damn lucky to hire a new coach who will give us the record that Stans did for 10 years (until this year).
 
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Coach34

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"Maybe because it IS the first bad season"

bad season = preseason ranking ending up in NIT
bad season = 2007 when we pissed away games and ended up in NIT
bad season = rebuilding year of 2006

and while you cant say 2008 was a bad season, it was certainly a disappointing one when that team ended up with an 8 seed

50% of teams in BCS conferences make the NCAA Tourney every year. Being a lower 50% team by making the NIT is by no means a good season. It is an average season
 
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sardis

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In his book, he discusses discipline and said every year he started in the locker room by teaching his players "how to tie their basketball shoes". That's the discipline we are missing in the game just as someone in another thread said on Duke, the hustle to the sideline at timeout. All of those are symptoms of the problem of not having coaching. WE shouldn't have to put up with this crap.
 
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DawgatAuburn

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Different people have different barometers for success. Some people look at the final record and say, hey, 23-12 or whatever- that's a good season. Other people look at it and say we pissed away this game and that game and it cost us a couple of spots in seeding in the NCAAs and played a part in our bowing out in the first or second round, and they say, that was a bad season because we SHOULD have done better. Not could have, SHOULD have. Underachieving is failing to meet reasonable expectations. We have underachieved a lot in the last several years.

Not saying that either side is right or wrong, but I'm certainly one of the latter people.
 
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patdog

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all that matters is your record. It doesn't matter if you "underachieve" or "overachieve" to get there. This is a bottom line business, and the bottom line is how many games did you win. And in most years, Stans has won a decent to good number of games.

It will be interesting to see who we do get after Stans is gone (I think it's almost a foregone conclusion he'll be gone by the end of next year at the latest) and how many games he wins. I'm sure if he "overachieves," a lot of people on this board will be happier with a 18-win season than they were with Stans's 22-win seasons.
 
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patdog

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As I said before, we'll be doing damn well if our next coach can take us to 6 NCAA tournaments in 9 years, which is what Stans had done going into this season. Truth is, an NIT season is a mediocre season, not a bad one. This season is a bad season.</p>
 
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it doesn't. I would rather go 12-18 because you will get new blood to try and right the ship. If you go to the NIT - it makes a coach stick around possibly. Especially a coach who is in his 14th year. If we went to the NIT this year - I would still be up for letting him go. That would be two NCAA tourney appearances in the last 6 years.

The NIT is nice for a program that's up and coming. Not for one who has had a coach for 14 years.
 
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DawgatAuburn

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<span class="post-title">the fact is it doesn't matter how you got there </span>all that matters is your record.
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"Facts" are irrefutable. That is not a fact. That is your opinion. You are entitled to yours just as I am to mine. As strongly as I believe mine, it doesn't make it a fact, even if I call it a fact on a message board.
 
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Coach34

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patdog said:
all that matters is your record. It doesn't matter if you "underachieve" or "overachieve" to get there. This is a bottom line business, and the bottom line is how many games did you win. And in most years, Stans has won a decent to good number of games.

It will be interesting to see who we do get after Stans is gone (I think it's almost a foregone conclusion he'll be gone by the end of next year at the latest) and how many games he wins. I'm sure if he "overachieves," a lot of people on this board will be happier with a 18-win season than they were with Stans's 22-win seasons.
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What makes a team that goes 24-12 with wins over wins over Jackson State, SE La, Tex Pan American, St Bonaventure, and Wright State better than a team like Ga Tech that was a 10 seed in the NCAA's but only went 23-13? We had more wins, so we had the better season right?

Or maybe, that even though they didnt win as many games, they played a much tougher schedule and worked their way into the NCAA Tourney.

If The Recruiter did that, I'd respect him a little. But he beats up on nobodys, and then whines at the end of every year when we are on the bubble even though we have 20+ wins. Going 43-5 vs RPI teams 150 or lower the last 5 years does not make our program good.

Having a <span style="text-decoration:underline">losing record</span> vs RPI teams 150 or greater the last 5 years shows exactly what type of program we have
 
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DawgatAuburn

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Would you rather be 18-14 and lose in the second round of the NCAAs or 22-11 and lose a first round home NIT game? I'd take A.

If you lost two or three of your best players to injuries (not suspensions and fights) and finished 18-11 with an NIT appearance playing freshmen and sophomores who played hard every night out, would you feel better about that than you did about a pre-season top 20 team that lost to Rider and Richmond and lost a bunch of winnable SEC games on a team that featured the NCAA's all time leading shot blocker and your team's all time leading three point shooter and who lost a home NIT game? I would. Maybe you wouldn't. That's fine.

Again, my bottom line is expectations, and right now we aren't meeting them. I don't think Stans will get fired this year, but if he wants to turn this around, he's going to have to do some things differently next year. I'd start with at least two new assistants.
 
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Paper Dog

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True successful season = making the tournament

Anything less can be either a decent season or a bad season, but not a good one

Rick should get next season (and will get it, there will be no change)

He should be required to make the NCAA Tournament next season, bottom line, no excuses...Many apsects of the program should be (and will be) overhauled prior to next season....however, next year is it, make or break year

Don't count me in the pro-Stans crowd...we are watching a total trainwreck...however, I do feel like he deserves (and again, will get) next year

However, there is little doubt barring an 0-16 or 1-15 conference finish, he will be back next year
 
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