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You guys do realize this is a sexual assault case, right? Meaning someone was sexually assaulted. Can we not act so giddy about it? Sometimes I swear I am the only one here with female loved ones.
Oh, and if you want to call me genespage for pointing it out, Eat **** 17face. Is that SPS enough for you?
While I understand some of your point about the giddiness, a sexual battery charge doesn't actually mean that someone was sexually assaulted; it means that someone made an accusation of sexual assault that the local police and DA think is worth pursuing.
There have been enough high profile cases, especially against athletes, that it's probably a mistake to actually assume guilt because an accusation was made, even if it happened in Oxford.
how exactly are we supposed to react? no mention whatsoever, prayers for the family and victim, call ole miss a bunch of thug rapists? nobody is celebrating rape dipshit. they are celebrating the fact that ole miss is being investigated for potential multiple violations of another human's rights and will be held accountable for what they have done in a program that bills itself as the clean-cut choir boys with scripture spewing out of there asses. nobody is celebrating rape and i suspect you know that already. taking a stance that sps celebrates rape and violating other people is just an extremely undeveloped way to view what has taken place, but feel free to do so.
You guys do realize this is a sexual assault case, right? Meaning someone was sexually assaulted. Can we not act so giddy about it? Sometimes I swear I am the only one here with female loved ones.
Oh, and if you want to call me genespage for pointing it out, Eat **** 17face. Is that SPS enough for you?
I agree with this guy.
Depending on exactly what happened, the victim could be dealing with the rest of her/his life. Yeah, it's possible OM's recruiting culture contributed to whatever happened, and it's possible their staff is trying to manage the repercussions without holding all involved (beyond Hill) responsible. And is so, 17 'em. But we don't know that yet. We should hope they're dong the right thing.
What is Ole Miss being investigated for, exactly? I just want to see if the ******** has been repeated enough times to make it incontrovertible fact.
Whether the allegations are true or not, somebody's life is about to be ruined. Either by being sexually assaulted or falsely accused of sexual assault. Posting funny gifs is not the appropriate reaction. Whether it is our rivals or not, these are real people. The internet is a terrible place. You can hide behind anonymity all you want, but this story is about real people. Your neighbor, your friend, your family potentially.
Honestly, would I rather it be OM than us? Yes. Would I wish it on anyone? Hell no. Some of you need to get a grip on reality. Maybe spend some time around these victims. It isn't funny.
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this is a fan board. the circumstances are HIGHLY unfortunate, but if you think we are in any way celebrating what transpired allegedly, you are not being remotely fair to the situation. you are 100% correct in the fact that its unfortunate, but acting like we are celebrating what took place is an outright misinterpretation of fact. the player was arrested, suspended, and now, per the comments in the OP, reason to believe that its not an isolated event. for a program that bills itself and actively recruits on the basis that they strive to be morally superior, its hypocrisy is glaring. now that that has been exposed AGAIN, this is the natural reaction. if you make a concerted effort to make a moral example of yourself for the world to see, you better be damn sure to back it up. feel free to post a thread sending condolences for the victim. i will be more than happy to post a sincere condolence message, but this is not a thread about the act itself, its a thread about a program that consistently markets itself as morally superior that (shockingly**) falls short of that. its a high standard to uphold, which is why you dont see most coaches going that route.
ole miss player(s) and/or recruit(s) being investigated...not the university itself. admittedly, there are a lot of ways the quote can be interpreted, but the fact that it was included is not a good thing.
"Supposedly happened at a home occupied by one or more other players whose names you would know. Plot gets thicker because it was a big recruiting weekend"
edit: to add OP's quote direct from the author.
"Supposedly happened at a home occupied by one or more other players whose names you would know. Plot gets thicker because it was a big recruiting weekend"
edit: to add OP's quote direct from the author.
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You guys do realize this is a sexual assault case, right? Meaning someone was sexually assaulted. Can we not act so giddy about it? Sometimes I swear I am the only one here with female loved ones.
Oh, and if you want to call me genespage for pointing it out, Eat **** 17face. Is that SPS enough for you?
Hey, no one is giddy about anyone being raped. But it was bound to happen when UM and their alumni actively support or at best turn a blind eye to money, sex and alcohol being used as enticement for recruits. If UM and their fans wanna win signing day so bad that they encourage it... Well be prepared to reap the outcomes when **** goes wrong.
To celebrate that "Ole Miss has been exposed," then you are celebrating the act that "exposed" Ole Miss. The act of sexual battery had to come before Ole Miss was capable of being "exposed." Therefore, you are celebrating that someone was sexually battered SOLELY because it was at Ole Miss.
I've said this before, but some fans need to get a grip on what is important. On both sides of the rivalry. I hope State never wins another game
in any sport, but I don't hate any of
your fans, athletes, or anyone with your school. Well, except Peaches. That guy can DIAF.
I've said this before, but some fans need to get a grip on what is important. On both sides of the rivalry. I hope State never wins another game
in any sport, but I don't hate any of
your fans, athletes, or anyone with your school. Well, except Peaches. That guy can DIAF.
again. The staff and university turning a blind eye to the extracurricular recruiting weekend activities has led to this. All in the name of enticing recruits. Don't come here all high and mighty. Point your finger at Freeze and his staff for letting the weekends get out of control while tweeting bible verses.
Assuming that all of the accusations made about tour recruiting weekends are true, that's cause to celebrate someone being sexually battered because it gets Ole Miss, and Freeze, in trouble?
No, we aren't celebrating the battery. We're experiencing some interest and satisfaction that your immoral, hedonistic recruitment party program may have finally got caught, as oppose to just getting away with it or covering it up with some quoted Bible verses and hush money.
Some of us may have been concerned that some of your recruiting tactics involved the general exploitation of some young women for a while, and even if it turns out that this accusation is entirely false, we hope that the culture gets careful and authentically moral scrutiny.
So if the family of their murdered son/daughter takes joy in the fact that the murderer has been caught and sentenced to death, they are now taking joy in the fact that their son or daughter was murdered in the first place? Nice try Red!
I hope they finally bury tsun, these shenanigans go on all the time and they seem proud about it because they don't exactly go out of their way to hide it. I hope freeze gets buried also, nutt job that preaches Christian beliefs and can sit back and let this stuff go on when he knows about shows that he wants to win at all costs. As long as Mullen has morals and tries to recruit good character players, I could care less if we are at the top in recruiting. I rather have a good team with good morals that goes on and graduates and becomes a good man, husband, and father. Now I know we will always have some sort of issue because we are dealing with teens but at least Mullen shows that he cares more about character then stars. #hailfuckingstate
I can't say that I don't love that this has become as absolutely factual solely because it has been repeated on message boards, just the letter in Khayat's desk and Freeze telling a recruit that they fear for their soul of they don't come to OM. It's absolutely hilarious to me how many times this has happened between ED and the Pack, and watching it happen again with the "Ole Miss is under investigation for rape parties" is, quite frankly, hilarious.
I've heard a couple of times today that it was a call girl.
Or whoever it is they've been known to bring in for these recruiting weekends. Anybody else? Anybody?
Or whoever it is they've been known to bring in for these recruiting weekends. Anybody else? Anybody?
It's this particular part of your quote that makes it complete ********. It's also the part that changes the story from "Player did horrible thing" to "a group of people did a horrible thing." As far as you know, Ole Miss isn't getting investigated for ****, no matter what your pledge brother who got a job at the physical plant part-time while he gets his MBA tells you. In fact, what we know so far is that no one other than Bobby Hill has been arrested or investigated.
i think the act that proceeded all of this is selling the program as something that is unattainable as a recruiting ploy. this hasnt been the first instance (read exposure) of questionable player character, its just another one that vastly out-pases the others in its level of disgust.
dont read too much into that...meaning that i dont think ole miss has a thug problem any more than any other sec school trying to amass premium talent, however, other sec schools dont have a hc like freeze (save richt...and he took his lumps when his players were out of control as well) with all the scripture, soul-saving, love, and baptisms. you label your school and recruit based on imparting good moral character, your asses better back it up.
regarding what is important at this point, its that justice is served to the victim if there is any level of true justice to be had at this point. people forget that this is a sports message board not a board focused on social commentary. ive got an opinion about the potential hypocrisy and choose to express it here. i could care less if you or any of my cohorts consider that classless or not.
also, notice i had zero posts in the original bobby hill thread. this is a secondary thread linking what happened to other players and the author (john pitts) made it a point to emphasize that it coincided with a recruiting weekend. that alludes to the fact that it is NOT isolated. for a program that bills itself the way ole miss and freeze have done, it welcomes allegations of hypocrisy.
dont read too much into that...meaning that i dont think ole miss has a thug problem any more than any other sec school trying to amass premium talent, however, other sec schools dont have a hc like freeze (save richt...and he took his lumps when his players were out of control as well) with all the scripture, soul-saving, love, and baptisms. you label your school and recruit based on imparting good moral character, your asses better back it up.
regarding what is important at this point, its that justice is served to the victim if there is any level of true justice to be had at this point. people forget that this is a sports message board not a board focused on social commentary. ive got an opinion about the potential hypocrisy and choose to express it here. i could care less if you or any of my cohorts consider that classless or not.
also, notice i had zero posts in the original bobby hill thread. this is a secondary thread linking what happened to other players and the author (john pitts) made it a point to emphasize that it coincided with a recruiting weekend. that alludes to the fact that it is NOT isolated. for a program that bills itself the way ole miss and freeze have done, it welcomes allegations of hypocrisy.
your the first one to say om is under investigation for rape parties...on this board anyway...and i was the only one to misspeak when i said om was under investigation, of which i corrected/clarified my statement. nobody here has said anything remotely close to that...but dont let facts get in the way.
pitts said that other players might be implicated and its also been loosely linked to recruiting per his words. what part of that do you disagree with?
pitts said that other players might be implicated and its also been loosely linked to recruiting per his words. what part of that do you disagree with?
you calling CJ Johnson a liar? He must be reminded to not bear false witness!
Meanwhile the student body has "never lost a party" in the be-all-do-all of college towns, and they damn sure want to make recruits aware of this.
All of it. Just because it happened at someone's house doesn't mean they "may be implicated" and just because it happened during the January 24 weekend doesn't mean that it's been "linked to recruiting." He said it may have happened a prominent player's house during the January 24 weekend. There were no "links", "implications" or otherwise.
As noted above, your correction/clarification was also ********.
As noted above, your correction/clarification was also ********.
Well I don't know what to believe until TSUNbearhunter comes and explains it
im speculating...as are you when you counter anything i say. facts will come out. however, im not sure how the "plot would thicken" if it was totally isolated from recruiting since the author made a point to mention the recruiting aspect. common sense tells me that the author thinks there is more to the story with some regard to other players or recruits because he alluded to those points....to what degree is the question at hand.
as far as what i have said regarding what my acquaintance told me about call girls, i havent linked that to the player in question in any way whatsoever, merely echoed what an om employee has told me. to my knowledge it was unrelated to what took place with bobby hill.
the facts are that there is most likely nothing more to the story...which is good for your school and to a much larger degree, good for the victim, but im not going to sit quietly on the sidelines when a respected journalist links what transpired to other players (in their home) and recruits (plot thickens...recruiting weekend, yada, yada, yada) all while freeze continues to preach this high moral standard ********.
im merely reading between the lines of what john pitts printed. if you feel like im hiding behind his words, you might be right, but i didnt make him print that ****. the whole damn thing is sickening to be honest with you. first and foremost, its sick what happened, but to a much lesser degree, its sick that it was allowed to happen particularly in a program that bills its recruiting foundation on selling Christ (which i am all for), but falling mind-bogglingly short of anything close to what the head man is preaching. i know you see the hypocrisy. to me, that is the rub...always has been with freeze. i think he is a good coach, the portrayal of this God-fearing facade needs to stop if thats all its going to ever be.
as far as what i have said regarding what my acquaintance told me about call girls, i havent linked that to the player in question in any way whatsoever, merely echoed what an om employee has told me. to my knowledge it was unrelated to what took place with bobby hill.
the facts are that there is most likely nothing more to the story...which is good for your school and to a much larger degree, good for the victim, but im not going to sit quietly on the sidelines when a respected journalist links what transpired to other players (in their home) and recruits (plot thickens...recruiting weekend, yada, yada, yada) all while freeze continues to preach this high moral standard ********.
im merely reading between the lines of what john pitts printed. if you feel like im hiding behind his words, you might be right, but i didnt make him print that ****. the whole damn thing is sickening to be honest with you. first and foremost, its sick what happened, but to a much lesser degree, its sick that it was allowed to happen particularly in a program that bills its recruiting foundation on selling Christ (which i am all for), but falling mind-bogglingly short of anything close to what the head man is preaching. i know you see the hypocrisy. to me, that is the rub...always has been with freeze. i think he is a good coach, the portrayal of this God-fearing facade needs to stop if thats all its going to ever be.
pitts thinks there is something to those facts, otherwise they would have not been included. i think that if you rule that out of the possibility, you havent been paying attention to college athletics in the modern era. notice, i have never said any bit as fact, merely suggested that it might be possible based on what mr pitts said. the "plot thickens" is your implication...so you are certainly wrong about that. we can play semantics all you want, but pitts article was not just some random update. he was exposing a link to another player via a residence (notice i didnt say rape participant) and also signifying its coincidence with the recruiting weekend activities.
Here comes my SPIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. Really these cases are impossible to speculate. It could range from forced rape, to a drunken slap on the ***, to a false accusation. It could be absolutely any and all between. It's going to take forever for anything to come out. Nothing has really come out on the Vanderbilt case in 8 months.
2. I don't get the whole Hugh Freeze is a hypocrite. So you're telling me that when somebody does something absolutely stupid we should start judging their preacher or teacher? This reasoning by MSU fans has lost all sense of reality. Give me one quote from Freeze where he says "all of my players are perfect". I had a DUI in high school. My high school football coach is such a hypocrite! Do you really think football coaches are keeping up with 120 college age football players on a Saturday night? If that's their job $8 million salary is nothing for that accountability.
BTW; if there is one thing I've found in college athletics, it is STUPID to throw rocks at another program for something like this...let me tell you why....it won't be long before an MSU athlete does something stupid. It is the law of averages.
3. Cover Up???? Really? Jamerson Love was caught with enough cocaine to make Marshall Henderson jealous. What happened with that?
1. Really these cases are impossible to speculate. It could range from forced rape, to a drunken slap on the ***, to a false accusation. It could be absolutely any and all between. It's going to take forever for anything to come out. Nothing has really come out on the Vanderbilt case in 8 months.
2. I don't get the whole Hugh Freeze is a hypocrite. So you're telling me that when somebody does something absolutely stupid we should start judging their preacher or teacher? This reasoning by MSU fans has lost all sense of reality. Give me one quote from Freeze where he says "all of my players are perfect". I had a DUI in high school. My high school football coach is such a hypocrite! Do you really think football coaches are keeping up with 120 college age football players on a Saturday night? If that's their job $8 million salary is nothing for that accountability.
BTW; if there is one thing I've found in college athletics, it is STUPID to throw rocks at another program for something like this...let me tell you why....it won't be long before an MSU athlete does something stupid. It is the law of averages.
3. Cover Up???? Really? Jamerson Love was caught with enough cocaine to make Marshall Henderson jealous. What happened with that?
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I feel bad for the OM "white girls" who are forced by their daddies or peers to "swallow" in order to land recruits. Some of these daddies probably have regret after the Fact, and feel the only way to clear their sorority girls name is to bring charges.
If I had a daughter, there is no way in hell I would encourage them to do anything untoward like this, no matter how much I love our State.
If I had a daughter, there is no way in hell I would encourage them to do anything untoward like this, no matter how much I love our State.
I think the whole purpose of my original post was that you were making **** up by what you call "reading in between the lines" and that, eventually, the myth would become reality because it would be repeated over and over again. I think it's safe to say that unless a full-fledge investigation is launched by the NCAA that results in Freeze getting fired, then it will become absolute fact that OM got away with it again.
Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back for not "sitting on the sidelines." Keep fighting the good fight and grindin for your state.
The alleged hypocrisy exists in your head because you assume that when a recruit takes a photo with a few girls at the Library, he just got through with a massive orgy of unwilling participants. I know, I know. You're reading between the lines, but that's the entire point. I'm assuming that most State fans think that it's impossible to go to the Library on a Friday night, have a good time, and be a Christian. I'm going to let you in on a little secret, the Library is no different than any other large bar in any other fun college town. I can see how this would be a foreign concept to Starkvillians.
By the way, how did the ED undercover espionage work out?
Don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back for not "sitting on the sidelines." Keep fighting the good fight and grindin for your state.
The alleged hypocrisy exists in your head because you assume that when a recruit takes a photo with a few girls at the Library, he just got through with a massive orgy of unwilling participants. I know, I know. You're reading between the lines, but that's the entire point. I'm assuming that most State fans think that it's impossible to go to the Library on a Friday night, have a good time, and be a Christian. I'm going to let you in on a little secret, the Library is no different than any other large bar in any other fun college town. I can see how this would be a foreign concept to Starkvillians.
By the way, how did the ED undercover espionage work out?
Let's just go ahead and get this over with
I'm going to ask you what you're talking about. You're going to point to some quote by CJ that will be taken completely out of context and has nothing to do with anything to prove something that couldn't possibly exist.
So, what are you talking about?
I'm going to ask you what you're talking about. You're going to point to some quote by CJ that will be taken completely out of context and has nothing to do with anything to prove something that couldn't possibly exist.
So, what are you talking about?
Umm how could it be taken out of context? It was pretty straightforward. And you are either totally failing at denial or are clueless. If you are clueless then I know more about UM recruiting than you and I don't follow it closely for MSU.. Much less UM.
Again Hugh Swaggart can pull back the reigns on the recruiting weekends or let them stay the course and this happen again. Don't cry on this board about speculation. You either condone it or you don't... Just to win in Feb.
I understand it would be hard to give up Feb cause MSU is owning UM's *** the other months.
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If all else fails... Use Oxford hype and try to put down Starkville. The end of the UM fans argument. Never lose a party right? Well sometimes you have to forfeit the party when stuff like this happens.
1. Nothing is impossible to SPECULATE.
2. reasoning by MSU fans? no different than the reasoning about OM fans regarding Mullen or any other coach we have.
3. Might be true. Booger sugar has gotten pretty popular around Starkville (still nothing compared to Oxford). At least more so than it was 7 or 8 years ago. But Jamerson Love being caught with a setup for a blizzard party is news to me.
2. reasoning by MSU fans? no different than the reasoning about OM fans regarding Mullen or any other coach we have.
3. Might be true. Booger sugar has gotten pretty popular around Starkville (still nothing compared to Oxford). At least more so than it was 7 or 8 years ago. But Jamerson Love being caught with a setup for a blizzard party is news to me.
Things I’ve learned (or relearned) from this thread:
1. If recruits and players go to a bar where alcohol and females are present, we should not be surprised if one of our recruits/players (allegedly) forces his penis into an unwilling female’s ******. It’s inevitable, and frankly, we were asking for this to happen, because allowing athletes to go to a bar and socialize with females is inciting rape. (Presumably recruits/players going to a strip club incites only hard work, camaraderie, and humility.)
2. It’s still ok to assume any white females speaking to African American players/recruits are prostitutes, because CJ tweeted something about “white girls” like four years ago. What possible reason could there be for white females to socialize with African American athletes but to provide sexual favors for money (or because their fathers forced them into a life of sexual slavery)?
1. If recruits and players go to a bar where alcohol and females are present, we should not be surprised if one of our recruits/players (allegedly) forces his penis into an unwilling female’s ******. It’s inevitable, and frankly, we were asking for this to happen, because allowing athletes to go to a bar and socialize with females is inciting rape. (Presumably recruits/players going to a strip club incites only hard work, camaraderie, and humility.)
2. It’s still ok to assume any white females speaking to African American players/recruits are prostitutes, because CJ tweeted something about “white girls” like four years ago. What possible reason could there be for white females to socialize with African American athletes but to provide sexual favors for money (or because their fathers forced them into a life of sexual slavery)?
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