Yes, it's pretty widely held. Great place to watch a game down there. Especially as a "neutral" college baseball fan. It's not MSU, OM, LSU, Ark, aTm, SC...There aren't too many more beyond that that give a clearly better college baseball experience than Pete Taylor. I reserve the right to change the liists a bit as I make my way to more and more to these brand new or heavily redesigned stadiums...
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Yes, it's pretty widely held. Great place to watch a game down there. Especially as a "neutral" college baseball fan. It's not MSU, OM, LSU, Ark, aTm, SC...There aren't too many more beyond that that give a clearly better college baseball experience than Pete Taylor. I reserve the right to change the liists a bit as I make my way to more and more to these brand new or heavily redesigned stadiums...
But but but then youd be taking away their first amendment rights for not putting all those dicks on the cake.
Cant get around to having a serious conversation?!?
- Some think its OK to discriminate against people and restrict their goods and services to select groups. Others think thats dangerous as hell and kinda sorta didnt work out too well when blacks had to eat, learn, and drink water away from whites.
- Some think allowing 2 consenting adults to marry is going to tear a hole in the 'sanctity of marraige'. Others recognize that marriage is actually a government approved legal contract and what sanctity that may have once been part of marriage in the religious/chuch sense long went away with 30% of hetero couples divorcing and a YUGE number slamming meat on the side outside the home.
Really, what serious conversation is there to have when one side wants to go back to businesses openly discriminating based on customer's inherent traits? What serious conversation is there to have when one side doesnt recognize how much of a joke it is to call marriage sacred or declare its sanctity needs to be preserved when they ignore reality?
My post is obviously a biased rant, but come on- there are sides of history one wants to be on and one wants to avoid. Mississippi has again chosen to be on the side of oppression and inequality.
From the article...
The Protecting Freedom of Conscience From Government Discrimination Act, HB 1523, says that marriage is defined to one man and one woman, that sex should only happen in marriage and that gender is biological and defined at birth. The law went into effect in October.
This explanation is comically oxymoron-esque.
Protecting Freedom of Conscience from Government Discrimination means all that?!?
Here is an oxymoron to sum up what I think of this- clearly confused.
The Protecting Freedom of Conscience From Government Discrimination Act, HB 1523, says that marriage is defined to one man and one woman, that sex should only happen in marriage and that gender is biological and defined at birth. The law went into effect in October.
This explanation is comically oxymoron-esque.
Protecting Freedom of Conscience from Government Discrimination means all that?!?
Here is an oxymoron to sum up what I think of this- clearly confused.
Then there are those of us who see that politicians constantly stirring up the populace over social issues is nothing but a diversion to keep us from discussing and trying to find a fix for the biggest problem we have. A Federal government that absolutely cannot and will not balance a budget, creating a national debt that is simply the biggest issue we face, and we only discuss it in passing, because it's a nightmare...
http://time.com/4293549/james-grant-united-states-debt/
One problem with your logic is that in certain parts of the country, that mass communication can have the opposite effect. If I live in the south and either hate gays or disagree with their lifestyle on religious pretense, I may go out of my way to get a cake from a dude who made news headlines by refusing to make a cake for a gay couple as opposed to Kroger or whereever. Yeah, you lose the business from the liberals and most of the moderates,, but it’s free advertising for the hard line conservatives who may otherwise not have given a crap about your business. In the South, the unfortunate truth is such a business owner is just as likely to gain business as they are to lose it by taking a hard line, public, anti-gay stance.
But regardless of all that, it is my belief that all people have the right to not be discriminated based on any element of their persona that is not illegal or infringing on others well-being. The LGBT community certainly falls within that demographic. Those rights are what anyone who lives in a free country or civilized society anywhere in the world deserves and should expect. Whether or not the guy eventually goes put of business is totally besides the point.
Meh. Any gain on such a thing is very temporary -- and the losses are very much permanent. You really think anyone is going to come out ahead in the public eye for being bigoted against a group of people in today's age? I'll just disagree and move on.
I've already made my exact viewpoint very clear on this. The government should not be telling people who they have to do business with. If someone is discriminatory, in today's age, the only person they are really hurting are themselves. Many of these laws are being abused as crutches by ******** who don't get their way.
I buy/sell/fix autos and powersports on the side as a part of my business. What if someone inquires about one of my trucks I have for sale on the side right now -- and when I look at the message -- realize they are someone that inquired multiple times/on multiple other vehicles before and had left me hanging at my house waiting on them to come look and test drive at least once or twice previously? What if I ignore that message or tell them I'm no longer interested in doing business with them and that person happens to be among these protected minorities unbeknownst to me? Even though I actually discriminated against them because they were flaky people that had already cost me time($$) and effort rather than their sexual orientation or race -- should it be fair game for me to have to go fight a court battle over that? Since those sales actually fall under my LLC umbrella?
My point is that it's just a very slippery slope -- and once the govt starts intervening -- they can never stop intervening. The intervention just becomes more and more invasive.
Fixed that for you. Just had to strike out the parts of your post that are factually incorrect.
People really should read the actual bill and read it while understanding that it doesn't change federal law. It's not a good law, but it also doesn't do what people apparently think and even if it did, it would not change federal law, which is where the vast majority of the action is in Mississippi for things like employment discrimination and fair housing.
ETA: a link to the text if anybody wanted to read it (which obviously people don't; they'd rather just get the vapors about how terrible it is according to other people who haven't read or don't understand the law):
http://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/documents/2016/html/HB/1500-1599/HB1523SG.htm
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Agreed.
As for our nation's debt- i think it is so far beyond the comprehension of many and most see it as so insurmountable, that it is just ignored as not worth taking seriously since it cant be stopped. When efforts are made, the counter is to show how minuscule the effort would affect the nation's debt and therefore why do it.
Well that and also when the elephant in the room(defense) is actually addressed, those suggesting we scale back are either accused of hating freedom or are ignored due to all the businesses and towns that rely on defense spending.
A year ago, the leader of the free world took office after running a 2+ year campaign based on bigotry and hate.
The parts of my post that are factually incorrect were all from the article that was originally linked and started this shitstorm of a thread. I agree that people should read the bill and I thought I made it clear in the post you struck thru that the whole reason why I posted was because 'this explanation' was funny sounding.
Agreed, except I would add that there are lots of elephants and none of them are being put on a crash diet because we just won't force ourselves to deal with this issue.
It is going to end very ugly. Likely in another massive global conflict after a massive global depression. History repeating itself is a ***** and politicians paint themselves as the saviors when they and their massive egos are just the problem. I wish people would get smarter about picking sides in politics. Neither side is looking out for you.
This particular baker is now a multimillionaire thanks to internet fundraisers and gullible Evangelicals. Denying that gay couple their cake was a very smart business decision - he's going to come out way ahead after legal fees, and if he loses he'll be a martyr figure for decades.
Your theory that market forces can destroy discrimination like this sadly doesn't hold up.
Your theory that market forces can destroy discrimination like this sadly doesn't hold up.
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