LOCKED-Wow - US Patent Office canceled...

Status
Not open for further replies.

dawgstudent

Heisman
Apr 15, 2003
39,472
18,928
113
the Washington Redskin trademark because it is "disparaging to Native Americans".
 
Last edited by a moderator:

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
56,984
26,476
113
Nothing political about that decision, I'm sure. **

I do agree the name should be changed. But this is ********.
 

seshomoru

Junior
Apr 24, 2006
5,603
293
83
When did Mutt start working at the patent office?

Gonna be fun to see the organization appeal it and lay out all the reasons they think Redskins is an acceptable and unoffensive team nickname.
 

ckDOG

All-American
Dec 11, 2007
10,030
5,892
113
I assume only the trademarks including the word "redskin"?

the Washington Redskin trademark because it is "disparaging to Native Americans".

Can't find any detailed articles at the moment...
 

aTotal360

Heisman
Nov 12, 2009
21,802
14,509
113
I'm all for changing it. It is a slur. Just like "Yankees". Go after them next. *****
 
Last edited by a moderator:

nsvltndog

Redshirt
Mar 30, 2010
380
14
18
This stuff always happens when the administration needs a distraction from reality. We need something to distract everyone from "losing" the IRS emails, Russia situation with Ukraine, Iraq blowing up again, etc. Surely the name of the Washington football team is more deserving of our focus.
 
Last edited:

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
56,984
26,476
113
I've felt for a long time that Redskins is the one truly offensive Native American name in sports. The really isn't a good defense for it. And regardless of anyone's opinion on this issue, the fact is Dan Snyder is fighting a losing battle on this. This is a fight he will not win.
 

BeardoMSU

Redshirt
Jul 9, 2013
788
0
0
This stuff always happens when the administration needs a distraction from reality. We need something to distract everyone from "losing" the IRS emails, Russia situation with Ukraine, Iraq blowing again, etc.

Next you'll be blaming your ****** marriage and your kid's low ACT scores on Obama.....
 

Shamoan

Redshirt
Jun 27, 2013
12,466
0
0
what is interesting is that roger goodell grew up a redskins fan and he supports keeping the name. his fandom has gotten him in a bit of a pickle professionally speaking.
 

jakldawg

Redshirt
May 1, 2006
4,374
0
36
Hey, no fair copying & pasting highlights of the dumbest comments from the link I just posted.
 

aTotal360

Heisman
Nov 12, 2009
21,802
14,509
113
He's recently softened his stance. A couple days ago, I heard Goodell on a radio interview and he pretty much punted on the subject. He said "it's up to the Redskins organization to make that decision". He was then pressed with "if Snyder decides to keep the name, do you support it?" He replied with "that's up to the organization to make that decision" and kept giving that line. He didn't position himself any corner.
 

Dawgzilla

Redshirt
Mar 3, 2008
5,406
0
0
What about that due process type thing?

There was plenty of due process. This decision is the result of a cancellation proceeding filed by native americans over 8 years ago, that included exhaustive discovery and briefing by both the complainants and the registrant (The Washington Redskins), and probably oral arguments as well although that is not required. It is also not the first time the TTAB has cancelled the registrations, but the last time the Appellate court threw out the decision on the grounds that the complainants lacked standing to file their action. The Redskins (the team, not the actual native americans) will likely appeal again.

Also, this is kind of weird, but losing their federal registration doesn't really mean that much at this point in time. They still own the trademark rights, they just don't have registration. Registration is nice to have in most cases because it eliminates some of your legal hurdles -- like proving ownership of the mark -- but an NFL franchise would have little trouble with those issues.
 

Seinfeld

All-American
Nov 30, 2006
11,173
7,028
113
Now that I'm at an age where the folks around my parents' age are nearing their expected retirement, I swear... if I have to hear one more person that hasn't saved a dime for their retirement blame the government and Obamacare, I'm gonna snap very soon.
 

msstate7

Redshirt
Nov 27, 2008
10,388
10
38
How about polling Indian reservations? If they want it changed? Change it. It not, leave it alone.
 

nsvltndog

Redshirt
Mar 30, 2010
380
14
18
Official Message from Redskins Trademark Attorney

This message contains graphics. If you do not see the graphics, click here to view.<o:p></o:p>
<!-- // Begin Template Header \ -->
<o:p></o:p>

<tbody> </tbody>


STATEMENT BY BOB RASKOPF, TRADEMARK ATTORNEY FOR THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS
<o:p></o:p>​
LOUDOUN COUNTY, Va. – The following is a statement by Bob Raskopf, trademark attorney for the Washington Redskins, regarding today’s split decision by the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board:<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
“We’ve seen this story before. And just like last time, today’s ruling will have no effect at all on the team’s ownership of and right to use the Redskins name and logo.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
‘Redskins Are Denied Trademarks’<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
-Washington Post, April 3, 1999<u1:p></u1:p> <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
‘Redskins Can Keep Trademark, Judge Rules’<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
-Washington Post, October 2, 2003<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
We are confident we will prevail once again, and that the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board’s divided ruling will be overturned on appeal. This case is no different than an earlier case, where the Board cancelled the Redskins’ trademark registrations, and where a federal district court disagreed and reversed the Board.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
As today’s dissenting opinion correctly states, “the same evidence previously found insufficient to support cancellation” here “remains insufficient” and does not support cancellation. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
This ruling – which of course we will appeal – simply addresses the team’s federal trademark registrations, and the team will continue to own and be able to protect its marks without the registrations. The registrations will remain effective while the case is on appeal. <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
When the case first arose more than 20 years ago, a federal judge in the District of Columbia ruled on appeal in favor of the Washington Redskins and their trademark registrations. <o:p></o:p>
Why? <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
As the district court’s ruling made clear in 2003, the evidence ‘is insufficient to conclude that during the relevant time periods the trademark at issue disparaged Native Americans...’ The court continued, ‘The Court concludes that the [Board’s] finding that the marks at issue ‘may disparage’ Native Americans is unsupported by substantial evidence, is logically flawed, and fails to apply the correct legal standard to its own findings of fact.’ Those aren’t my words. That was the court’s conclusion. We are confident that when a district court review’s today’s split decision, it will reach a similar conclusion.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
In today’s ruling, the Board’s Marc Bergsman agreed, concluding in his dissenting opinion: <u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
It is astounding that the petitioners did not submit any evidence regarding the Native American population during the relevant time frame, nor did they introduce any evidence or argument as to what comprises a substantial composite of that population thereby leaving it to the majority to make petitioner’s case have some semblance of meaning.<u1:p></u1:p><o:p></o:p>
The evidence in the current claim is virtually identical to the evidence a federal judge decided was insufficient more than ten years ago. We expect the same ultimate outcome here.”<o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>

The Washington Redskins | 21300 Redskin Park Drive | Ashburn, VA 20147<o:p></o:p>
<o:p></o:p>
<tbody> </tbody>
<tbody> <!-- // End Template Header \ --> </tbody>
<tbody> </tbody>
<tbody> </tbody>
 

Dawgzilla

Redshirt
Mar 3, 2008
5,406
0
0
Actually, having discussed this with a couple of other attorneys, the cancellation of the registrations could ultimately be fatal to the Washington Redskins trademarks. There is a theory that, since the law clearly states disparaging marks cannot be registered, then federal and state laws cannot be used in any way to protect such marks. Additional, common law trademark rights could not be asserted to circumvent the clear public policy of the statutes. So, if the Washington Redskins wanted to sue someone for infringing their Redskins trademarks, they would first have to prove that their marks were not disparaging and could be subject to legal protection, which would be tough to do if the current decision is upheld.

Of course, their indian head logo is still protectable (for now), so it would just be marks that include the word "Redskins".
 

state2013

Redshirt
Dec 17, 2013
294
0
0
Now its time to pull the plug on the Cleveland Indians mascot, chief Wahoo. Forget about the cartoonish image for a second the name of the mascot wahoo is beyond insulting. also the image itself is way more offensive than the redskins image.
What blows my mind about the whole redskins controversy is that Goodell refuses to admit its offensive. Heres a guy who fined a player for tweeting about two guys kissing on tv is gross but yet he refuses to acknowledge how that term redskins is viewed so negatively toward an entire race of people. He also will suspend a guy for an entire season for testing positive for weed but not a game for a guy that beat up his fiance. Goodell has a track record for creating a double standard in his league.
And Is the name really worth defending in the long run? The basketball team in Washington changed its name from bullets to wizards because they didnt want to be associated with gun violence and that name offended zero amount people. Mississippi's colonel reb vaguely reminded people of a dark past in the south and they dumped the character. Redskins is without a doubt an in your face offensive term.

I know I'm all over the place with this post but I feel like its ridiculous it is even debatable in this day and age of political correctness.
 

aTotal360

Heisman
Nov 12, 2009
21,802
14,509
113
Cleveland is slowly moving away from the Indian logo. They have starting using a "C" on their hats a lot this year.
 

drt7891

Redshirt
Dec 6, 2010
6,727
0
0
Sounds to me like he's making fun of the guy who posted that moreso than trying to defend Obama... But whatever. Perception n ****...
 

WilCoDawg

All-Conference
Sep 6, 2012
5,264
3,654
113
I hope Notre Dame is next! That drunken mad Irishman offends me all day long. Don't get me started on the Celtics.
 

QuaoarsKing

All-Conference
Mar 11, 2008
5,934
2,594
113
This stuff always happens when the administration needs a distraction from reality. We need something to distract everyone from "losing" the IRS emails, Russia situation with Ukraine, Iraq blowing up again, etc. Surely the name of the Washington football team is more deserving of our focus.

Because Obama is so powerful that he personally decides the rulings of the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board and even directs it on when to issue rulings. The fact that this issue has been before the board since 1992 is immaterial.**
 

fishwater99

Freshman
Jun 4, 2007
14,073
54
48
The will still be he Redskins until the NFL makes them change it. They just don't own the exclusive rights to the Washington Redskins anymore.
There will be another appeal..
 

fishwater99

Freshman
Jun 4, 2007
14,073
54
48
Because Obama is so powerful that he personally decides the rulings of the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board and even directs it on when to issue rulings. The fact that this issue has been before the board since 1992 is immaterial.**

Obama has more power than you think...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...70b914-2b70-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html

Then there is this Guy Harry..
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/06/harry-reid-washington-redskins

Maybe it's not Obama, but what a convenient controversy to take attention away form the real scandals and failures of the current administration. I am sure it's a welcome one on Penn Ave.
Benghazi, IRS, Obamacare, Fast and Furious, NSA, VA, Bergdahl prisoner trade, Iraq falling apart.

http://www.commdiginews.com/politic...-president-obama-updated-for-june-2014-19663/
 

BeardoMSU

Redshirt
Jul 9, 2013
788
0
0
I hope Notre Dame is next! That drunken mad Irishman offends me all day long. Don't get me started on the Celtics.

The difference is that Notre Dame is an Irish Catholic institution that chose a mascot and image that they have a vested and historical stake in; not the case with the "Redskins" football team.
 

xxxWalkTheDawg

Redshirt
Oct 21, 2005
4,262
0
0
Man, I'm this country is moving along so well that the government has time to

Focus on football names. Now I'm off to pay 6 bucks for ground beef, 3.65 for gas, pay my ever increasing electric bill, buy some 5 dollar apiece light bulbs, purchase a 7 dollar bottle of gas treatment so I can run high ethanol content 3.65 a gallon gas in my mower.... Make that 5 so I can put some in my boat too, schedule my red snapper fishing trip... Uhh... Maybe next year, pay my higher insurance........

but that damn football owner got a finger in the eye at least! Oooooh. Look at that red herring!!!!
 

Dawg@Vandy

Redshirt
Aug 22, 2012
48
0
0
I agree that on the surface it sounds like a slur, but is it?

If you're in favor of keeping a straight-up racial slur as the team name because of "tradition" or whatever, hey great. Just realize that some of the people in that camp are profoundly, window-licking, paste-eating, unawarely, unapologetically stuuuuuuuupid.

From everything I have read about the origin of the term redskin, it originated from the tribes themselves as a way of distinguishing the Native American tribes from the white settlers. It also was not referring to skin color at all, but because many of the tribes in the northeast would paint their faces and bodies with red paint. It was a term frequently used throughout the 1800's by various Native American leaders in treaty negotiations. The most notable derogatory use of the word was from L. Frank Baum who wrote The Wizard of Oz in an editorial celebrating the death of Sitting Bull and calling for the extinction of all Native Americans. So should the Wizard of Oz movie be boycotted?

Also if it was such an offensive term to Native Americans, why would several Native American high schools still use it as their mascot (i.e. Red Mesa High School in Arizona which is nearly 100% Navajo).

I would think the Cleveland Indians would be more offensive to Native Americans. They still use the word "indians" as their team name and have a overtly racist portrayal of a Native American chief in Chief Wahoo. If I was a Seminole, on the other hand, I would be proud of the use of Osceola and Renegade before FSU games. That is one of the coolest pregame traditions in all of sports.

I have both Chickasaw and Choctaw in my family history. My wife is a Cherokee descendant. We are both proud of our Native American ancestry and aware of the way our great-grandparents were treated. The sad truth is that unless you live near a reservation, a person could grow up today without ever seeing a full-blooded Native American. If we remove every symbol and mascot that offends someone, I fear that the Native American history will lose its impact on future generations.
 

Dawgzilla

Redshirt
Mar 3, 2008
5,406
0
0
What about the tomahawk chop? I don't guess there is any trademark protection for a cheer that is used by a college, an MLB baseball team, and an NFL team, but does that not promote a deragatory stereotype?
 

BeardoMSU

Redshirt
Jul 9, 2013
788
0
0
Focus on football names. Now I'm off to pay 6 bucks for ground beef, 3.65 for gas, pay my ever increasing electric bill, buy some 5 dollar apiece light bulbs, purchase a 7 dollar bottle of gas treatment so I can run high ethanol content 3.65 a gallon gas in my mower.... Make that 5 so I can put some in my boat too, schedule my red snapper fishing trip... Uhh... Maybe next year, pay my higher insurance........

but that damn football owner got a finger in the eye at least! Oooooh. Look at that red herring!!!!

Is that you JT?

$6 for groundbeef; that's a tad exaggerated. What kind of grind are you getting? Filet?

I just bought beef from Kroger (which is more expensive than Walmart, btw) this past Sunday, and it was like $3.50 or 3.99 a pound. I got some good 85/15 too. Truths, half-truths, and lies.

Redsnapper trip, eh? You must be reeeeaaaallly hurting financially, bro.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.