Locke's Article on MSU Recruiting
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I agree the truth hurts however we did well on both lines, not as good as we could have but pretty good. If you combine this group with the 19 kids that redshirted last year it's a pretty good bunch that can play for at least the next four years.Thankfully several of the guys that redshirted play positions we didn't do wellrecruiting thisseason.
Now if next years class is not a dandy then I think we will be heading down a slippery slope.
The bears had a good signing class (if you count stars)but as for positions, look at their roster then look at who they signedmake up your own mindas to weather or not they addressed their needs.
As faras coachesare concerned it'sMullen vs Rain Man we have the upper hand no doubt!
Now if next years class is not a dandy then I think we will be heading down a slippery slope.
The bears had a good signing class (if you count stars)but as for positions, look at their roster then look at who they signedmake up your own mindas to weather or not they addressed their needs.
As faras coachesare concerned it'sMullen vs Rain Man we have the upper hand no doubt!
But we pretty much knew this before signing day. Most folks are just now getting over the hurt. Let's not rehash this just because Locke puts his stamp of validation.
some times make you stronger. I believe our staff has probably learned a lesson or two from this past recruiting cycle and it will only make us stronger in the future. Our program is on the rise and having TSUN push us a bit will only make us work harder so that we can get there sooner.<div>
</div><div>Go Dogs!</div>
</div><div>Go Dogs!</div>
to Camgate.
I`ve read a bunch of post by a bunch of people who don`t understand what it is like trying to dig out of the economic situation that many of our recruits come out of. For lot of these kids and their mothers this is the first chance at having any disposable income IN THEIR LIVES. Any of you ever been there? If Mullen is now perceived as a holier than thou snitch who would deny these impoverished families a few dollars he`s dead meat and before you start your $160,000 crap take it from someone who has first hand knowledge that the amount of money it takes to win some of these recruiting battles is shockingly low. I`m afraid Mullen has more work to do than some realize.
I`ve read a bunch of post by a bunch of people who don`t understand what it is like trying to dig out of the economic situation that many of our recruits come out of. For lot of these kids and their mothers this is the first chance at having any disposable income IN THEIR LIVES. Any of you ever been there? If Mullen is now perceived as a holier than thou snitch who would deny these impoverished families a few dollars he`s dead meat and before you start your $160,000 crap take it from someone who has first hand knowledge that the amount of money it takes to win some of these recruiting battles is shockingly low. I`m afraid Mullen has more work to do than some realize.
But the 5 or 6 that we lost needed the bennies? Or do only 4 & 5 star players come from impoverished families? I understand your point, but the "bennies" are out there, ours were just a little light. No one in the state of MS made $180k this year as far as recruits are concerned, so I think Camgate can be considered a once in a blue moon kind of phenomenon. The SEC cliche is "everybody's doing it" is correct, and the SEC office knowingly and willingly chooses to ignore it because of......money!! It's the game that we play, MSU just needs to decide if we are going to be starters or bench warmers.
the deeper point is whether Dan is a friend (as Nutt portrays himself) of the black community who wants to hep kids and their families with more than just scholarships particularly if they really need it or a tight assed whitey who`ll turn your *** in if he catches you trying trying to help your family better their lives.
I`m not blaming you or anyone else if you don`t understand but just take my word .....you don`t snitch in the hood.
I`m not blaming you or anyone else if you don`t understand but just take my word .....you don`t snitch in the hood.
You didn't miss a damn thing other than the normal whining. There was a bit of irony in the fact that Locke mentions how a few of Mullen's jabs/comments had no substance while at the same time, there wasn't a useful piece of information in Locke's entire article either.
I'm just about done with commenting on the 2011 recruiting class, but I will mention a few things that I mentioned on Genespage(yes, I posted on Genespage, haha). These are all according to Scout rankings.
1. In terms of avg stars, this class is tied with 2008 as the second best class in the last 8 years.
2. This class was a fairly substantial improvement from last year's class in the only 50% of the 2010 class was 3* or better. The 2011 class had roughly 75% of its signees at 3* or better.
3. If you take two players(Johnson and Brassell) and put them on State's list rather than Ole Miss's, the classes are essentially dead even. Ole Miss would obviously have more signees overall, but the classes would be very similar in terms of avg stars.
You can laugh at this and say that I'm just some idiot State fan that's just trying to make myself feel better and that's fine, but my only point is that while we got our butts whipped during the last month of recruiting, it's not time to jump off a bridge quite yet. We're going to have to do better if we want to make it to Atlanta again one day, but I don't think this class is going to make us take a giant step back at all like some want to believe.
I'm just about done with commenting on the 2011 recruiting class, but I will mention a few things that I mentioned on Genespage(yes, I posted on Genespage, haha). These are all according to Scout rankings.
1. In terms of avg stars, this class is tied with 2008 as the second best class in the last 8 years.
2. This class was a fairly substantial improvement from last year's class in the only 50% of the 2010 class was 3* or better. The 2011 class had roughly 75% of its signees at 3* or better.
3. If you take two players(Johnson and Brassell) and put them on State's list rather than Ole Miss's, the classes are essentially dead even. Ole Miss would obviously have more signees overall, but the classes would be very similar in terms of avg stars.
You can laugh at this and say that I'm just some idiot State fan that's just trying to make myself feel better and that's fine, but my only point is that while we got our butts whipped during the last month of recruiting, it's not time to jump off a bridge quite yet. We're going to have to do better if we want to make it to Atlanta again one day, but I don't think this class is going to make us take a giant step back at all like some want to believe.
just as negative, or accurate, depending on your perspective.....
I will say Rusty Hampton will appreciate his negative reporting
I will say Rusty Hampton will appreciate his negative reporting
Somehow I don't think Parish Alford would write that article if the shoe was on the other foot.
Case in point:This week, Alford portrays a 2-5 Ole Miss team as about to get hot and go on a run. Meanwhile our dipshit beat writer acts like the SEC West is solely between Arkansas and Alabama because we are just out of it. I am about tired of his smartass routine.
Case in point:This week, Alford portrays a 2-5 Ole Miss team as about to get hot and go on a run. Meanwhile our dipshit beat writer acts like the SEC West is solely between Arkansas and Alabama because we are just out of it. I am about tired of his smartass routine.
That is a very insightful post. I think both of our fanbases need to understandthat all this talk about "turning in" the otheronlyappeals to our fans.Snitching andthe hypocrisy of turning in other programs forjustdoing a betterjob of cheating than you do is notwell received among recruits. They just don't believe that MSUwas totally innocent in the Cam thing andif MSU did it, not to report Auburn, butjust to screw with Cam's eligibility and keep him off the field,that is the worst.thatsbaseball said:
They haven't forgotten that MSU tried to screw with Pat Patterson's eligibility by saying they had "information" that he had been helped on hisACT score. At the time he took the ACT he was committed to MSU. Is this an allegation that Ole Miss cheated to help an MSU commit pass theACT? No, it wasn't directed at Ole Miss. It was an allegation designedto keep Pat, just like Cam,off the field.
Now, there is a lot of talk of "turningOle Miss inon CJ". If it happens, that would be 3 yearsin a rowMSU has tried to keep someone who decommitted from them from playing elsewhere. Not a good thing tobe known as the school who seeks revenge on a kid by screwing with his eligibility.
if you`re smart and savvy about the business. The irony is that one needs to be as discreet in turning someone in as they are in actually committing the same crime them self. LOL.
Ian Rappaport and Sekou Smith were excellent beat writers. And now they've moved on to better jobs.<div>Veazey is a step below but has moved on to the beat he wanted all along.</div><div>Marcello is new and I'm reserving judgment.</div><div>
</div><div>Locke is what he is and I think he'll be in Tupelo until they want somebody else.....</div><div>He might end up being our longest lasting beat writer when it's all over.</div>
</div><div>Locke is what he is and I think he'll be in Tupelo until they want somebody else.....</div><div>He might end up being our longest lasting beat writer when it's all over.</div>
can we really win at the level we want and have a coach with some integrity given the current cesspool of an environment that is the SEC under Slive. We don't have the built in advantages of an Alabama tradition to fall back on when we are unwilling to "play the game" apparently like some of the others. If this was just a year where we failed due to lack of effort or charisma by our coaching staff on convincing recruits to come with us then we can fix that for next year but if we lost the top ones due to the reasons we think we did then I'm not sure that I should be that optimistic for next year either. As successful as TSUN was with their tactics this year does anyone really expect them to not pull some of the same shenanigans again next year if things are not looking good for them in the last couple of months before signing day? I certainly don't.
what's going on either. The 17ing parents "that are in need" are selling out to the highest bidder. Nutt, Mullen, Saban, Chizik, etc might be great "living room preachers", but at the end of the day Momma's tellin' the interested parties that a price has to be met to get that sig. You can dress it up all you want with, "it's a better fit", "I feel at home", "I really like the staff", etc., but at the end the highest bidder wins with the highly rated players.
I say 17 the hood, if they don't like the consequences then quit selling your kid's services to the highest bidder. I'm not big on squealing, but a university does not need the hood, the hood needs the university!!
I say 17 the hood, if they don't like the consequences then quit selling your kid's services to the highest bidder. I'm not big on squealing, but a university does not need the hood, the hood needs the university!!
to the SEC office was made by Mullen regarding the Newton situation. My understanding was that the info was given from Bond to the coaching staff and that moved up the chain to Byrne and Greg is the one who turned the information over to Slive and the SEC. Now I doubt Byrne would have done over serious objections from Mullen but I don't know. Anyway it was ultimately Byrne's decision to make and not Mullen's.
actually shows how good they are as journalists. One went from Decatur to Starkville and now Oxford.
The other from Fayetteville to Starkville.
I think the fact that neither can't get above/beyond Oxford and Starkville says a LOT about their abilities!! Ian and Sekou were EXCELLENT writers and journalists. Their careers have proven them to be just that.
The other from Fayetteville to Starkville.
I think the fact that neither can't get above/beyond Oxford and Starkville says a LOT about their abilities!! Ian and Sekou were EXCELLENT writers and journalists. Their careers have proven them to be just that.
Byrne was not a friend to the Hood so we forced him out. That should help us gain back our street "cred".
for some kids we acquired just in the manner you described. And guess what , they ain`t all bad kids. Some of them just took the money to give their mom who was working three jobs or on welfare(and couldn`t give them spending money for school) a little relief . Your idealism is impressive but if you think little ole MSU is going to change any of this by ourselves you are naive. In fact if we make enough noise we`ll be the one in the dog house. As Michael Corleone said "it`s just business".
It would have been better for us to not say **** in the case for Cam, Pat and possibly CJ, but rather just take it up the butt while the rest go on with "business as usual" because it makes us look like snitches?
Sorry, but I was brought up differently. I am sure we have never been pure as the driven snow but we also (as evidenced by the outcomes) have not ponied up for Cam, Pat and CJ. If Dan tells what he knows, I have no problem with that probably because I am the same way. I may get blasted but I will always shoot **** straight if you ask em.
If it make Dan look like a snitch to recruits then fine. I think Dan is in here for the long term and wants to make our program better the best way he can. I don't expect him to retire from MSU, but I don't think he wants to go the way JWS did either.
Your post to me reads like "He should be quiet and take it if he wasn't the highest bidder". Typical for half of the Ole Miss fans I knew growing up, the rest we actually good folk.
Sorry, but I was brought up differently. I am sure we have never been pure as the driven snow but we also (as evidenced by the outcomes) have not ponied up for Cam, Pat and CJ. If Dan tells what he knows, I have no problem with that probably because I am the same way. I may get blasted but I will always shoot **** straight if you ask em.
If it make Dan look like a snitch to recruits then fine. I think Dan is in here for the long term and wants to make our program better the best way he can. I don't expect him to retire from MSU, but I don't think he wants to go the way JWS did either.
Your post to me reads like "He should be quiet and take it if he wasn't the highest bidder". Typical for half of the Ole Miss fans I knew growing up, the rest we actually good folk.
from what I have been told, Veazey has been offered to move on to bigger papers but he wants to make his living in Mississippi for the time being...which I commend.
And Marcello got a promotion to come here so I would have to say his career has advanced.
And Marcello got a promotion to come here so I would have to say his career has advanced.
You do know thatMelvin Smith is still on MSU's staff, don't you? The guy who got Billy Brewer on probation twice andJackie Sherill on probation twice. He is a Trooper Taylor whohasbeenan extremely successful"recruiter" for years. I just don't understand the MSU attitude that y'all are the only ones in the conference who are clean as a whistle.It is a myth that does not serve you well.IBleedMaroonDawg said:
Plus, there is a huge difference between reporting a school (your report didnot even mentionAuburn) and going aftera kid like Cam or Pat, personally.One may be honorable, but the other viewed as chicken chit among the recruits.
Melvin Smith, Trooper Taylor etc., none of them operate outside the bounds of what the HC wants. Right now its obvious Dan Mullen is not interested in a kid that requires a bidding war to obtain.
Come on.These guys are professional bag men.They invented the casino poker chip method and the donating to certainchurches. Why do you needa bag man if you are so clean?maroonmania said:
Nothing is more funny to me than a Reb fan trying to sound sanctimonious about everyone else buying players.
Try crying somewhere else about bagmen.
Try crying somewhere else about bagmen.
Ole Miss went on probation because you were sending you recruits to strip clubs in Memphis. State got on probation because we kept a couple players at the Ramada Inn for a few weeks for free. Melvin didn't have anything to do with that.Rebel1 said:
Oh, and you're "State sucks in recruiting because we're snitches"? Said from the fan of the school whotried to rat out all its SEC West rivals in the early 2000's just so they'd be the only one eligible to go to Atlanta, because you could never get there honestly.
Thick said:
You would be wrong about that. It goes both ways. You need players to win. They need your school to get to the NFL, because let's be honest, the players that have the leverage to ask for cash are looking to get drafted, not get a degree. Someone is going to give them that option to take that next step toward the NFL. You choose to take them or not. If you choose not, you can enjoy watching other schools win.
That's just the way it goes.