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The obama administration had renewed Mr. Flynn’s security clearance in April 2016, well after his departure from the D.I.A.

“If President Obama was truly concerned about General Flynn, why didn’t they suspend his security clearance, which they approved just months earlier?” Mr. Spicer asked during his daily press briefing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-obama-idUSKBN18420M


Former U.S. President Barack Obama made clear he did not support Michael Flynn during a meeting with then President-elect Donald Trump, the White House said on Monday.

"It's true that the president, President Obama, made it known that he wasn't exactly a fan of General Flynn's," during their one-hour meeting, White House spokesman Sean Spicer said at a news briefing. Obama and Trump met at the Oval Office on Nov. 10, two days after the Republican's election victory.

Spicer was asked about new reports that Obama warned Trump against hiring Flynn, who was pushed out as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency during the Democratic president's term, as national security adviser. Trump later dismissed Flynn after less than a month over his contacts with Russian officials.
 
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WVU82 said:
because Flynn was going to shitcan his Iran deal...

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-obama-idUSKBN18420M


Former U.S. President Barack Obama made clear he did not support Michael Flynn during a meeting with then President-elect Donald Trump, the White House said on Monday.

"It's true that the president, President Obama, made it known that he wasn't exactly a fan of General Flynn's," during their one-hour meeting, White House spokesman Sean Spicer said at a news briefing. Obama and Trump met at the Oval Office on Nov. 10, two days after the Republican's election victory.

Spicer was asked about new reports that Obama warned Trump against hiring Flynn, who was pushed out as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency during the Democratic president's term, as national security adviser. Trump later dismissed Flynn after less than a month over his contacts with Russian officials.
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If it were me, I think I might show some leniency to Flynn if he would deliver the goods under testimony.
 
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Michael Flynn was and is the subject of an active criminal investigation


To revoke his clearance would have alerted him to the investigation..... that's pretty simple
 
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Boomboom521 said:
Not when EVERYTHING is a liberal conspiracy to destroy America
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You think Russian involvement in the election is a Democratic ploy? Even though the FBI, IC, House and Senate believe enough evidence exists to investigate. Even Trump practically admits that there was Russian efforts to influence the election every time he tweets about "no collusion". But it's all a liberal conspiracy?

Whether Trump knowingly colluded with the Russian efforts or not, that's a question that has NOT been answered. As he continues to push the "political hoax" narrative, imo he makes himself look more guilty, and at least is not taking the protection of the American democratic process seriously. He doesn't know (unless he is intimately aware of Russian strategy) the extent of Russian influence, and the influence their strategies could have on other current or future US events as well.

He leads his loyalists in the Obama - Hillary - Deep State conspiracy of using our intelligence agencies and tax payer dollars to create a fictitious reason to undermine his Presidency. And the loyalists follow along.
 
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And as far as Flynn's access NOT being revoked? Keaton's assessment is pretty clear. If you suspect an employee of stealing from you, and you want them CAUGHT, you don't remove their access to the cash. Otherwise, you won't ever CATCH them. Obama warned Trump, but FOR WHATEVER REASON Trump still felt that putting Flynn in as NSA was a solid move.
 
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You think Russian involvement in the election is a Democratic ploy? Even though the FBI, IC, House and Senate believe enough evidence exists to investigate. Even Trump practically admits that there was Russian efforts to influence the election every time he tweets about "no collusion". But it's all a liberal conspiracy?

Whether Trump knowingly colluded with the Russian efforts or not, that's a question that has NOT been answered. As he continues to push the "political hoax" narrative, imo he makes himself look more guilty, and at least is not taking the protection of the American democratic process seriously. He doesn't know (unless he is intimately aware of Russian strategy) the extent of Russian influence, and the influence their strategies could have on other current or future US events as well.

He leads his loyalists in the Obama - Hillary - Deep State conspiracy of using our intelligence agencies and tax payer dollars to create a fictitious reason to undermine his Presidency. And the loyalists follow along.
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Not sure who you're replying to, but if that post was intended to explain "See what I mean?" I assume you were being sarcastic with "Not when EVERYTHING is a liberal conspiracy to destroy America." To that I countered with the dogs using the left's tiresome 'Russians' excuse. So it was point - counterpoint. Now you ask "You think Russian involvement in the election is a Democratic ploy?" No, not a ploy (well maybe, I'll have to think about it now that you've planted that seed):), just one of several excuses.
 
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PriddyBoy said:
Not sure who you're replying to, but if that post was intended to explain "See what I mean?" I assume you were being sarcastic with "Not when EVERYTHING is a liberal conspiracy to destroy America." To that I countered with the dogs using the left's tiresome 'Russians' excuse. So it was point - counterpoint. Now you ask "You think Russian involvement in the election is a Democratic ploy?" No, not a ploy (well maybe, I'll have to think about it now that you've planted that seed):), just one of several excuses.
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I believe Trump was elected legitimately. That said: I also think Putin has created a very dangerous strategy of social influence (worked in Crimea) that can disrupt and influence foreign government actions and elections. We need to understand as much as we can about this strategy, and learn how to protect against it and counter. Flynn (possibly others) could have been a part of this strategy. It's more than plausible, and I want his testimony. Why he hasn't been called to testify before Congress is frustrating to me. Political timing is the only reason I can see....and this is controlled by the GOP.

To dismiss collusion between Trump and the Russians as "a democratic ploy" is understandable to me. Had Trump colluded with them, it would be one of the most unAmerican acts by a President in my lifetime for certain, and immediate grounds for impeachment......boardering on treason. I'm not convinced Trump felt a need or desire to commit such an act.

However, dismissing Russian attempts to influence the election as "a democratic ploy" is just reckless, imo.
 
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Boomboom521 said:
However, dismissing Russian attempts to influence the election as "a democratic ploy" is just reckless, imo.
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The Russians probably did attempt to influence the election. I'm sure you would agree that some other countries tried to influence the election as well. You don't think that constantly bashing one candidate while endorsing the other by the LEADER of a country is an attempt to influence?
 
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Why he hasn't been called to testify before Congress is frustrating to me.
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Him and a gazillion others. I think a lot of people have stink on them. That's in large part what the election was about. edit to include Congress itself: How do you call Congress before Congress? Maxine might be the only one to get off, by reason of insanity.
 
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bornaneer said:
The Russians probably did attempt to influence the election. I'm sure you would agree that some other countries tried to influence the election as well. You don't think that constantly bashing one candidate while endorsing the other by the LEADER of a country is an attempt to influence?
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This sure seems and feels different. It's not just us but other western countries. Of course how it feels and looks to me means absolutely jack ****. Senate Republicans are definitely taking this serious. What's the harm in us investigating what happened? Why is it so hard for POTUS to agree with his and every other civilized IC about Russia? Why did he tweet about terror in France a few weeks ago and go silent on the hacking and interfering with that election by Russia?
 
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bornaneer said:
The Russians probably did attempt to influence the election. I'm sure you would agree that some other countries tried to influence the election as well. You don't think that constantly bashing one candidate while endorsing the other by the LEADER of a country is an attempt to influence?
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Overt and covert are two completely different types of influence, imo.
 
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Obama fired the communist asshat, Trump endorsed him for 18 days after Obama and Sally Yates told him he was compromised so Trump fired Yates, lol, keep blaming Obama, it looks good on the GOP controlling all three branches.
 
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This sure seems and feels different. It's not just us but other western countries. Of course how it feels and looks to me means absolutely jack ****. Senate Republicans are definitely taking this serious. What's the harm in us investigating what happened? Why is it so hard for POTUS to agree with his and every other civilized IC about Russia? Why did he tweet about terror in France a few weeks ago and go silent on the hacking and interfering with that election by Russia?
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Especially when we are so close to crossing with Russia.
 
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This sure seems and feels different. It's not just us but other western countries. Of course how it feels and looks to me means absolutely jack ****. Senate Republicans are definitely taking this serious. What's the harm in us investigating what happened? Why is it so hard for POTUS to agree with his and every other civilized IC about Russia? Why did he tweet about terror in France a few weeks ago and go silent on the hacking and interfering with that election by Russia?
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I don't know why Trump does some of the things he does/says anymore than what other Presidents did. I have no problem with any investigations. However....from what we have heard from various intel/crime branches of the gov......that there is NO evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians or that Russia rigged the election. Trump has not only to deal with his Dem opponents but he many Repub enemies as well.
 
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WVUCOOPER said:
This sure seems and feels different. It's not just us but other western countries. Of course how it feels and looks to me means absolutely jack ****. Senate Republicans are definitely taking this serious. What's the harm in us investigating what happened? Why is it so hard for POTUS to agree with his and every other civilized IC about Russia? Why did he tweet about terror in France a few weeks ago and go silent on the hacking and interfering with that election by Russia?
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How was Russia able to get Hildabeast to use a private server in violation of the law? If Hildee had followed the law and not tried to subvert the law, she would never had a thing to sorry about.
 
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How was Russia able to get Hildabeast to use a private server in violation of the law? If Hildee had followed the law and not tried to subvert the law, she would never had a thing to sorry about.
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See....I respect you as a thinker, but I just don't get this. Why does EVERYTHING have to be Clinton versus Trump? What do her emails have to do with any of this? It's like you simply dismiss anything done by Russia or POSSIBLY Trump as irrelevant....just because you hate Clinton? Makes no sense.
 
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In Syria. Our interests are very close to crossing with Russian interests. Makes the urgency to understand Putin's strategy even more pressing
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Thanks.......Putin's wants to be the main player in the ME. He is supporting the same groups he did when he was dealing with the POTUS'es we had before Trump.
 
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Thanks.......Putin's wants to be the main player in the ME. He is supporting the same groups he did when he was dealing with the POTUS'es we had before Trump.
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My main point is Putin is probably the MOST dangerous person to the US right now. He's aggressive, and has total control of his people.
 
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Boomboom521 said:
My main point is Putin is probably the MOST dangerous person to the US right now. He's aggressive, and has total control of his people.
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Putin is what he always has been. I think the most dangerous person to peace in the world is the crackpot in NK. I don't agree with Thumps saber rattling toward him......but I wouldn't be opposed if Trump took out their nuke sites.......China has made it clear that they will stay out of it since they will not risk what could happen to their economic standing.
 
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bornaneer said:
I don't know why Trump does some of the things he does/says anymore than what other Presidents did. I have no problem with any investigations. However....from what we have heard from various intel/crime branches of the gov......that there is NO evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians or that Russia rigged the election. Trump has not only to deal with his Dem opponents but he many Repub enemies as well.
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I agree that there is no collusion with Trump. Or I should say, I don't believe they will find any. Nor do I think the Russians won the election for Trump. Trump won because Hilary is the worstest candidate OF ALL TIME. That said, a foreign government hacked emails, paid fake trolls, etc in an attempt to sway the election. Whether it worked or not should be irrelevant. I'm not even sure retaliation to Russia is teh answer, but I think we should are best to get the facts out there. If people still trust Putin more than than the other political party in the country.....well that says someting.
 
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How was Russia able to get Hildabeast to use a private server in violation of the law? If Hildee had followed the law and not tried to subvert the law, she would never had a thing to sorry about.
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Completely irrelevant to my point and what this investigation should be about. Dumb *** democrats hanging on to blaming Russia for her loss and thinking this scandal will lead to Trump being impeached are bat **** crazy.
 
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The obama administration had renewed Mr. Flynn’s security clearance in April 2016, well after his departure from the D.I.A.

“If President Obama was truly concerned about General Flynn, why didn’t they suspend his security clearance, which they approved just months earlier?” Mr. Spicer asked during his daily press briefing.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-obama-idUSKBN18420M


Former U.S. President Barack Obama made clear he did not support Michael Flynn during a meeting with then President-elect Donald Trump, the White House said on Monday.

"It's true that the president, President Obama, made it known that he wasn't exactly a fan of General Flynn's," during their one-hour meeting, White House spokesman Sean Spicer said at a news briefing. Obama and Trump met at the Oval Office on Nov. 10, two days after the Republican's election victory.

Spicer was asked about new reports that Obama warned Trump against hiring Flynn, who was pushed out as director of the Defense Intelligence Agency during the Democratic president's term, as national security adviser. Trump later dismissed Flynn after less than a month over his contacts with Russian officials.
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Jesus Hubert Christ on a crutch. You'd think that as an officer in the Naval Reserve, Spicer wouldn't ask such a dumbass question -- it's the kind of question you'd expect from someone who doesn't understand how clearances work, or in this case, from someone trying to deflect his boss's stepping on his own dick onto someone else. It wasn't up to the Obama administration to suspend Flynn's clearance, and in fact all Obama did was to warn Trump that Flynn was a loose cannon. DOJ had tried to warn Trump that Flynn had had shady dealings with Russia and lied about it, and Trump hired him anyway because "he's a good guy."
 
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Hacking a candidate's emails and dumping the documents isn't interfering to you? What would constitute interfering?
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Sorry, I've yet to see a Russia connection. Did I miss it or is it speculation? I've heard Camp Macron was behind it, but I'll need a little more than hearsay before I'll believe anything.
 
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PriddyBoy said:
Sorry, I've yet to see a Russia connection. Did I miss it or is it speculation? I've heard Camp Macron was behind it, but I'll need a little more than hearsay before I'll believe anything.
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lol. Right. Maybe it was that 400lb man that did Clinton's too! Check out this deep stater: Senator Richard M. Burr, Republican of North Carolina and the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, recently said, “I think it’s safe by everybody’s judgment that the Russians are actively involved in the French elections.”
 
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lol. Right. Maybe it was that 400lb man that did Clinton's too! Check out this deep stater: Senator Richard M. Burr, Republican of North Carolina and the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, recently said, “I think it’s safe by everybody’s judgment that the Russians are actively involved in the French elections.”
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"I think" and "everybody" in the same sentence. I guess we can safely say the science is settled.
 
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You think Russian involvement in the election is a Democratic ploy? Even though the FBI, IC, House and Senate believe enough evidence exists to investigate. Even Trump practically admits that there was Russian efforts to influence the election every time he tweets about "no collusion". But it's all a liberal conspiracy?
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As long as the media continually attempts to tie Russia to Trump via collusion, you will get that reaction.

 
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TarHeelEer said:
As long as the media continually attempts to tie Russia to Trump via collusion, you will get that reaction.

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Since when is the FBI the media? You really gonna follow ***** grabber all the way down the drain? Yeah, the FBI, CIA and the media are all in collusion, that makes more sense than Trump is in trouble. Only guilty twits tweet, I guess a lawyer told him to delete the one about Yates this morning already.
 
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