Looking back should Stans have kept Bailey and booted Sidney?

MsuDogfan12

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No no Bailey was too much of a cancer to the team. Always had a terrible attitude and started arguments in practice. Sidney was the one to keep. Sadly he just doesn't care about getting in shape and getting ready for the NBA. I doubt he will ever come around too.
 

mstateglfr

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He was a cancer to the team, he always had a terrible attitude, and he started arguments.

Why the hell would they make that sort of person/player a captain?
That doesnt make sense.

Im not saying you are wrong, but if you are right, then the staff is even dumber than most everyone currently thinks.
 

Tds & Beer

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Bailey was not the greatest player, but he hustled his *** off and played defense. He would have given us more overall production than Sidney. A while back I said on here that Bailey was the only person to try to put Sidney in his place at State and we let him go. That has been a huge problem. Stans couldn't let Sid go though based on his potential. I bet if Stans could go back and realize that Sidney would never amount to ****, he would keep Bailey.
 
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mstateglfr said:
He was a cancer to the team, he always had a terrible attitude, and he started arguments.

Why the hell would they make that sort of person/player a captain?
That doesnt make sense.

Im not saying you are wrong, but if you are right, then the staff is even dumber than most everyone currently thinks.
Who would we have made captain? Kodi and Ravern had attitude problems, Bost was in the midst of 2 separate suspensions, Sidney was suspended, Steele and Bryant were in their first year with the team. I guess choices were limited and all had baggage. Maybe Elgin was the best we could do. In hindsight, I guess Taylor Luczak and Charles Parker would be the obvious choices (such is the state of MSU basketball).
 

bsquared24

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obviously I lack proof but someone had to go and Sidney probably has a very "Gary Ervin" card in his back pocket. We are stuck with Sidney for as long as he wants to loaf around Starkvegas as he can sink the program if he so chose to and I'm talking NCAA sinking type of problems not just losing games
 

coach66

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gas chamber. I would have loved to have seen RSS make something out of himself and help MSU in the process and I know several people<div>had very high hopes but part of being a success is knowing when to cut your losses and Rick did not do that. I don't know if he survives it or</div><div>not but the USS Stansbury has taken a broadside and is taking on water.</div>
 

thf24

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but I think the right choice was made. Bailey was the one who started the fight, and the obvious reason why he did indicates an attitude you don't want on your team. You can fix Sidney's kind of attitude problem, and it largely has been, but jealousy over losing your starting spot to a superior player when you're supposed to be a team leader isn't something that's going to go away. From an on-court standpoint, I don't think Bailey ever amounted to more than a slightly better Lewis. A lot of you, especially those who want everyone to think you're a basketball expert and start dropping insults if anyone challenges you, don't seem to understand how rare and valuable a player who can score in the post unassisted is in college. It doesn't matter if they're not producing numerically in a given game, just being on the court helps the offense run. This is why I don't always buy the assertion that Sidney gives up more points than he scores, because the points that he creates by drawing double teams in the post and attention on the perimeter are never accounted for. With a Lewis or Bailey-type player, you simply need to keep a body between the player and the basket to neutralize them, and their lack of a jump shot means there is always going to be a defender sitting under the basket. I firmly believe last season would have much worse of a disaster than it was if we'd gone forward with Bailey instead of Sidney (not like it mattered though, honestly, and maybe we could have gotten rid of Rick), and Moultrie would not be nearly as effective as he's been this year, especially in the early season, because he'd be the only post player opponents would have to worry about throughout the whole game.

Edit: Completely forgot to address your followup about O'Bryant. If it meant getting him then yes, Sidney should have gone, but hindsight is 20/20 in that case and like someone else said we never had a chance at him anyway.
 

maroonmania

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"sell our souls" so to speak to get Sidney at the time we did given all the baggage he was carrying. Granted we were not his only option by any means but its plainly known that a LOT of upper tier programs backed away due to the obvious issues he was going to have related to his family and gaining college eligibility.
 

maroonmania

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Sidney is not nearly the post scoring force you want to give him credit for. Yes, there are flashes that he can be that but NEVER does he do it consistently. There are times when it appears Sidney has a nice touch and good moves around the basket and other times when nothing he puts up will go in down there and it looks like he would just rather hang out and throw up a 3 pointer. I actually think Green from Alabama is better as a post scorer than Sidney is on a night after night basis.
 

thf24

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opponents still have to respect the flashes and they do. Plus, although it's pretty obvious you'd rather have your 6'10", 300 lb guy mostly under the basket, there's no reason to complain about him shooting the 3's; it's hard to believe until you look at the numbers but he's actually leading the team in 3-pt percentage at 44%.