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[coachnorm]

We saw the Duke / Florida St finish. I am wondering if Las Vegas point spreads may have played into the replay officials perceptions? I wonder if there is something sinister in what the college replay officials are seeing that just do not seem to connect with what I see on television?

 

[LawDawg97]

If you were watching Duke/FSU something sinister was going on

We saw the Duke / Florida St finish. I am wondering if Las Vegas point spreads may have played into the replay officials perceptions? I wonder if there is something sinister in what the college replay officials are seeing that just do not seem to connect with what I see on television?

Duke played Miami. And you really think Vegas or the officials had any way to know they could influence an 8 lateral kickoff return? That game was over if one simple tackle is made. I think it has more to do with incompetence than a motive to control point spreads. The calls were going Duke's way until all hell broke loose on that return.

 

[tatedog]

I've seen a college basketball team win a game on a halfcourt jumper and a grown man next to me with a straight face say "the fix was in."

 

[121Josey]

I've seen a college basketball team win a game on a halfcourt jumper and a grown man next to me with a straight face say "the fix was in."

Did they win 3-0?**

 

[coachnorm]

Duke played Miami. And you really think Vegas or the officials had any way to know they could influence an 8 lateral kickoff return? That game was over if one simple tackle is made. I think it has more to do with incompetence than a motive to control point spreads. The calls were going Duke's way until all hell broke loose on that return.

I understand that a group of old men could not follow that play but that lone replay official did not have that problem. That replay official had time to digest the proceedings, yet he did not render the proper decision? I am wondering if something sinister is impregnating the game thru replay officials. Who even knows who they are or what they look like? Just wondering?

 

[Dawgzilla]

Would have been a lot easier for the replay guy to review Duke's TD and say the QB never broke the plane.

 

[ShrubDog]

The Duke game was a rig job at the end no question about it. Money or no money invloved Duke got screwed. And If you gamble long enough and know anything about a long history of corruption with players and refs you are blind. Look at the Tim Donaghy story as an example.

To say that there is no corruption or rig jobs in a sport where money is involved makes zero sense.

Yea the game is over if they make a tackle but they didnt make a tackle. That opens up the back door for a ML win for Miami or a huge loss for Duke either way you look at it.

There was about three blocks in the back and a knee down on that play.

I didnt see the TD you are talking about with Duke but it sounds like that game was a cluster all around.

 

[jakldawg]

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

aka Hanlon's razor.
Do you really think refs are capable of a multi-layered conspiracy? Personally, I don't think most of them are smart enough for that kind of thing.
Or it might be the SEC fan in me where my mind is incapable of thinking that officials would rig a game AGAINST a top 25 team at home in favor of a reeling team with an interim coach.

 

[ShrubDog]

Have you ever heard the saying that truth is stranger than fiction. Not me.

Knee down, 3 clips and 12 men on the field.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

And so the refs say

You gonna believe me, or your lying eyes?

It's much better than ever, but it will never completely end.

 

[ShrubDog]

It will never stop and will always be around.

http://www.press.uillinois.edu/wordpress/?p=11274

 

[patdog]

Miami had already covered with or without that game-winning TD. And if the refs were trying to fix the game straight-up, they took an incredible risk. Cause that play Miami scored on fails 99% of the time. Would have been a lot easier just to call a holding penalty on Duke on their TD with 6 seconds left. So no, the game definitely wasn't fixed.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

So the Officiating crew has been suspended 2 weeks by the ACC.

so say USATODAY.


Looks like the Dogs moved in at #25.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Yep. Looks like the ACC found lots of stuff wrong.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/11/01/miami-duke-lateral-play-referees-suspended

I thought I saw Miami players running on the field before the player crossed the goal line. That alone would have made it a dead play immediately at that point.

Don't know about fixes, but I have seen stupid ref squads before. Only fix I ever remember was our BYU game in 2001. You can get an immediate multi-syllable curse string from my son if you mention it.

 

[coachnorm]

Yep. Looks like the ACC found lots of stuff wrong.

http://www.si.com/college-football/2015/11/01/miami-duke-lateral-play-referees-suspended

I thought I saw Miami players running on the field before the player crossed the goal line. That alone would have made it a dead play immediately at that point.

Don't know about fixes, but I have seen stupid ref squads before. Only fix I ever remember was our BYU game in 2001. You can get an immediate multi-syllable curse string from my son if you mention it.

Was the replay official sanctioned? The replay official is the major reason for the injustice.

 

[ShrubDog]

Nothing to see here. The Refs had no effect on the outcome of the game.

 

[Jwsjr]

It didn't affect the point spread winner either way. Only affected the money line and there was no substantial action on that.

 

[AssEndDawg]

I thought I saw Miami players running on the field before the player crossed the goal line. That alone would have made it a dead play immediately at that point.

Actually, the player running on the field would be a dead ball foul and would have been ignored due to the end of the game. It definitely should have been flagged but had no effect on the outcome.

 

[LawDawg97]

No one is saying the refs had no effect

Nothing to see here. The Refs had no effect on the outcome of the game.

The OP asked if vegas odds played into it. As others have said Miami covered either way so it is more likely having an idiot in the replay booth than some Vegas shenanigans. Of course he effected the outcome though, that's why the suspension occurred.

 

[FlotownDawg]

Yes. The replay official and his assistant were suspended two games as well.

 

[Mjoelner]

Actually, the player running on the field would be a dead ball foul and would have been ignored due to the end of the game. It definitely should have been flagged but had no effect on the outcome.

How is that a dead-ball foul when they had too many men on the field before the play is over? It should have been a 5 yd penalty with a re-kick. I don't know how many players ran onto the field or when they did it but the one I'm specifically talking about came off of the bench and was at the 5 yard line with his helmet off while the kick returner was at the 2 and hadn't scored yet.

 

[kired]

I would think officials are more apt to be persuaded by boosters than vegas. It's much easier for them to simply affect the winner / loser of a football game than affect the final score.

They can call penalties but they can't miss kicks, drop passes, or intentionally whiff on tackles.

 

[patdog]

Actually, the player running on the field would be a dead ball foul and would have been ignored due to the end of the game. It definitely should have been flagged but had no effect on the outcome.

This can't be right. Otherwise, the offense could just send the whole bench out to block when the ball is snapped on the last play of a game.

 

[ShrubDog]

It didn't affect the point spread winner either way. Only affected the money line and there was no substantial action on that.

How do you know who had action on this game? We are not talking about the squares man. Apparently you didn't know this play made the game go OVER the total. And for BS it busted any 10pt teasers and ML parlays.

So you dont know what you are talking that only the spread was invloved.

My points are this game was a total mess and a rig job. Whether there was money involved or not. And the side point I was trying to make is sports games have been rigged since the beginning and will always be around. Every game is not a fix but there is more behind the scenes going on than we know about. And if folks say it doesnt happen they are idiots.

 

[AssEndDawg]

This can't be right. Otherwise, the offense could just send the whole bench out to block when the ball is snapped on the last play of a game.

Coming off the bench to celebrate is an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty. Dead ball. Ignored at the end of the game. If you bring someone off the bench to block or tackle it can either be illegal participation or can trigger the palpably unfair act rule where the refs have a lot of leeway in the penalty assessed depending on the severity of the infraction. The guy coming off the bench should have been flagged, but it would have zero outcome on the game. The block in the back and the knee being down are a different matter....

 

[tatedog]

If somebody (player, official, or coach) wanted Miami to win that game by nefarious means, they would not have let it come down to something as risky as what happened. It was an example of incompetence, not immorality.

 

[tatedog]

Games do get fixed, but they are a little more subtle than what happened here. Do you really think whoever "the fixer" was said "hey lets bring as much attention as possible to our 'fix' by running the craziest play since the band is on the field"?

 

[Jwsjr]

You are correct, I was only talking about the winner and the loser, the point spread and the Moneyline in how the refs affected that outcome. . I wasn't talking about teasers, pleasers, parlays or any other wager.

We are in agreement that the refs totally screwed up the outcome of the game. That part is obvious. But when you call something in a rig job, my idea of a rig job is when a ref does something to affect the bedding outcome. I just don't see that is the case here.

And it's very easy to find out how much legal action is on each side. Not to the penny, but it's easy to find out where major action is played. And there was not significant and unusual action on the money line

Either way Duke got hosed

 

[olblue.sixpack]

I understand that a group of old men could not follow that play but that lone replay official did not have that problem. That replay official had time to digest the proceedings, yet he did not render the proper decision? I am wondering if something sinister is impregnating the game thru replay officials. Who even knows who they are or what they look like? Just wondering?

I don't think you are "just wondering". Sounds like to me you've already made up your mind. As someone mentioned above, if the replay official was determined to affect the outcome of the game, he took a big risk in waiting until the last play of the game.