I’m not positive but I believe I remember the wording being “hosting” a home game. If the game isn’t played I don’t think they’ve hosted anything. As far as gate and concessions being the reason why, it sounds like a logical reason, but don’t know for sure.
Looks like a long CPS strike
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Yeah you hosted it and they didn’t show up. Folks, they are going to use the easiest, most straightforward, least disruptive answer possible plus they are going to say your trade off was a guaranteed win. If you host round one and get a forfeit it’s counting as a home game. I’m betting those of you who think I’m wrong were the same ones who thought the ihsa might not bracket the cps teams and use the next best team available..... did that happen?
That’s fine, and I wasn’t addressing you specifically as much as I was the person who first brought this up... they are coming up with all of these questions about well what if this or that... in every case the simple answer is going to be the answer. Whatever is closest to the status quo as if there is no strike. Cps teams bracketed and then forfeited and home is home whether forfeited or not.
Assuming STE is home in round 1 Stevenson gets the Rd 2 home game because STE won 2-0 at home Rd 1
So some team gets to find out there opponent 72 hours prior to kickoff? Brackets and classes all get changed? I'm thinking no.
If I hear one more CPS teacher say " It's not about the money, it's about the kids " , I'm gonna puke
What little respect of mine they had they lost.Many were bashing Chicago Police & promoting hate group BLM.I can't find the link to the article to post it.Total BS. #bluelivesmatter
I don't get it when people on here get so bent out of shape about teachers fighting for more pay. Also, you do understand that they are fighting for more than pay, right? Class sizes, more equality in resources between north and south side schools, health insurance, employee rights, etc.
If you were going to negotiate your salary for the next 3-5 years, along with all other working conditions, would you not list out what you want? Then, if your boss looked at you and said, "no" would you tuck your tail and accept what they give you? Most of you, by the way you beat your chests on here about high school football, would put up a fight.
Unless you've done what they do, please do not try to diminish what they are trying to do as a whole. No teacher ever looks forward to a strike. Almost all of them would rather be in the classroom with the kids, teaching. sure their may be a few bad apples out there, but what profession doesn't have them? And don't judge the whole by the actions of a few.
If you were going to negotiate your salary for the next 3-5 years, along with all other working conditions, would you not list out what you want? Then, if your boss looked at you and said, "no" would you tuck your tail and accept what they give you? Most of you, by the way you beat your chests on here about high school football, would put up a fight.
Unless you've done what they do, please do not try to diminish what they are trying to do as a whole. No teacher ever looks forward to a strike. Almost all of them would rather be in the classroom with the kids, teaching. sure their may be a few bad apples out there, but what profession doesn't have them? And don't judge the whole by the actions of a few.
Class sizes and resources spent in schools would be about the kids. So would having social workers and nurses in schools. You are just as bad at over simplifying as the other side.
In a way, everything boils down to $. So, if you want your kid to be in a class 20-25 so they can get more instruction and attention than a class of 30-35, yes, it is going to cost more $. If you want your kid to be in a classroom that has resources similar to north side schools, yes, it will cost more $ (because we know that the north side schools will not reduce the amount of resources they receive). If you want to deal with rising costs in health care and have the district pay their % portion that they have in the past, yes, it will cost more $.
People tend to look at the cost of education in their taxes and think that it is being wasted. Sure there are bureaucrats who will try to line their pockets with tax payer $, but we've been dealing with that since our gov't was formed.
I like to think of it as investing in our kids and their future. If an extra $100-200 in taxes gives my kid a better chance at success, then hell yeah I'll pay it. For example, we aren't talking about someone's property taxes going from $4500 up to $6500. We are talking about a very small percentage increase. And, yes, I know "Crook" county is one of, if not, the highest taxed county in the US, but you live here, your kids live here, your kids education is based here. So, if you want to make sure that the people who see your kids for 8 hours a day for 180 days a year are happy with their working conditions and aren't stressed out because they are struggling financially, be happy it could only be $100-200 more in taxes, and not extra $ for tutoring, private education, or whatever other expenses you could incur because your kid wasn't given a good opportunity to learn in school.
There are a few people I do not want to be disgruntled: Teachers, Waitress/Waiter/Cook, Mechanic, and Wife. So, I support teachers, leave 25% tips, and always try to fix my own car first. The last one I'm still trying to figure out.
I'd put Wife first. "Mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy"!! And who knows what things disgruntled Cooks could decide to add to your order? Your point regarding living in Cook County is right on point. If people decide to continue living there, then they should keep quite and continue digging in their pockets. Don't expect anyone to care about the amount of taxes you pay.
I know this strike is about the kids, I’m just confused why CTU isn’t pushing for school closing and re-allocating the existing resources they already have? There could be large savings and larger pot to go around for the kids.
In all seriousness in my job I interact with many school districts around the area and the waste in CPS is mind blowing compared to the suburban districts, they don’t need more money they need better cost controls.
Mayor is offering avg teacher salary of $100,000 within the next 5 years. You want to take a stab at what the hourly rate is and then convert that hourly rate to the number of hours someone works in the private sector to compare salaries? Figure, 180 working days a year at 7 hours a day that equals 1,260 hours. Divide that by $100,000 that's $79 dollars per hour. To convert hourly rate to an annual salary it's roughly a 2:1 ratio so a teachers actual average salary would be $158,000. If you have both parents as teachers, annual household income is $316,000.
Teachers know they are ripping tax payers off salary wise, now they are making their jobs easier by wanting smaller class sizes and all their other demands. DE-CERTIFY THE CTU!!!!!!!!!!
Teachers know they are ripping tax payers off salary wise, now they are making their jobs easier by wanting smaller class sizes and all their other demands. DE-CERTIFY THE CTU!!!!!!!!!!
If you think a teacher only works 7 hours a day, only works 180 days per year, you are completely misinformed. My wife and I are both teachers, she spends about 3-4 hours at home almost every weekday night doing grading, student reports, IEP reports, 504 reports, intervention reports, emailing parents, responding to emails from administrators, etc. I coach sports year round so I spend 6-7 days at school per week. My school days consist of 11-14 hour days, sometimes more. My weekends consist of 6-10 hour days on Saturdays, and 3-4 hours on Sundays (about 10-12 weeks/year).
So, if my wife makes $60,000 as an elementary teacher after 15 years of teaching, and "works" about 11 hours/day (8.5 hours at work, 2.5 at home) for 185 days per year (institute days are work days too), thats about $29/hour. Plus the headaches of dealing with today's parents, mandates from politicians about education, 32 5th graders in one classroom, interventions for students who struggle, and other issues that outsiders have no idea about, its not crazy to think she deserves more. Heck, I make almost 1.5x's what she makes and I feel overwhelmed sometimes. I know that if I had 3 MBA's instead of 3 MAs of Education, I would be making a heck of a lot more in the private sector than I do now.
All I can say to people who seem jealous or feel victimized by teachers because of their pay is to try it. Try being a teacher. And no, it isn't enough to show up 2 days a year in your kids class and correlate that to what happens everyday. If you think we make soooo much $, go be a teacher. If you think we really work 7 hours/day and only work 180 days/year, go be a teacher. If you think we all make $100,000, go be a teacher. Please report back when you do. I'd like to hear about your experiences with this profession that is "Ripping Off" tax payers.
New CTU President too. Anecdotal data warning, the CPS teachers I talked (old timers) too said the offer was decent. Then mentioned new CTU presidents tend to lean to striking to make a name for themselves. Their words not mine.
Any CPS teachers agree or disagree with what I heard? I don’t know enough to have an opinion just hope a win win solution can be reached by both sides.
Any CPS teachers agree or disagree with what I heard? I don’t know enough to have an opinion just hope a win win solution can be reached by both sides.
The teachers are whining that they are working w/o a contract for a few months. Police and Fire have been w/o a contract for more than two years. Time to make them submit to arbitration with a no strike law memorialized in a state law. Stop using the kids as a weapon.
The number one goal of the CTU president and his board is to be re-elected.
Don't you get paid to coach on Saturday and Sunday?
I'm calling bogus that your wife spends 15-20 hours a week working at home, maybe the first year and but after that not a chance. My wife taught for 10 years and yes teachers take work home but you are inflating the number to prove you point. Also the $29 an hour number doesn't include benefits which is the best part of being a teacher, if you include benefits what is the real number for her compensation?
If your issue is with the CTU and its leadership, then speak of them separately. Don't lump the teachers in with them. I believe the CTU president doesn't teach classes. I believe most, if not all, teacher union presidents in suburbs and rural areas teach a full load of classes. Also remember that the contract is used for all teachers, young and old, so old timers might like it because of retirement or health insurance related topics, but the younger ones don't necessarily worry about those things for the next 3-5 years. I believe the larger the collective bargaining unit (CTU is around 25,000) the harder it is to have most of them agree on a contract for the next 3-5 years.
Hmm. So you don’t get a prep period, duty-free period or other breaks during your work day, you and your wife must be the only teachers. I can’t speak about your specific situation, just what occurs on average and these periods are built into teachers’ day and this is what the average salary would be for a teacher. Sorry you don’t have the benefits as others, but not my fault.
Oh man you have to grade papers and fill out reports on top of the added headache of dealing with parents and politicians. How stressful!! Stress like this doesn’t occur anywhere else in the world, especially for people with 3 MBAs
Major problem with educators, you think just because you have all the degrees you deserve more money and that if you had 3 MBAs you would automatically earn a high salary in business. Business is about production and results, not degrees.
Not jealous and I would not want to be a teacher, I have no interest in teaching other people’s kids, but I’m assuming you do because YOU CHOOSE THIS PROFESSION and the stress that comes along with it. Just saying teachers are being taken care of and quit bitching about it and taking advantage of the situation.
Oh man you have to grade papers and fill out reports on top of the added headache of dealing with parents and politicians. How stressful!! Stress like this doesn’t occur anywhere else in the world, especially for people with 3 MBAs
Major problem with educators, you think just because you have all the degrees you deserve more money and that if you had 3 MBAs you would automatically earn a high salary in business. Business is about production and results, not degrees.
Not jealous and I would not want to be a teacher, I have no interest in teaching other people’s kids, but I’m assuming you do because YOU CHOOSE THIS PROFESSION and the stress that comes along with it. Just saying teachers are being taken care of and quit bitching about it and taking advantage of the situation.
You can call bogus, but I have to live it. First year, second year, fifteenth year, it doesn't matter. Your curriculum changes yearly because of new mandates, administration, grants, etc. You get new students every year. You get new assignments from those students everyday. So what you have to do in your early years is the same for the later years, except you can probably plan better.
And yes, I do get paid for coaching. Should we break down that per hour pay? Ok, here we go:
$6500 stipend for coaching
4 hours per day for summer camp (25 days) = 100 hours
3 hours per practice day during the season (M-Th) 12x9 week = 108 hours
8 hours per game day = 9 game days x 8 = 72 hours
9 2-hour Saturday practices = 18 hours
9 Sunday meetings (film work, game plan) = 5 hours x 9 = 45
So, 343 hours. $6500/343 = almost $19/hour. Oh yeah, this doesn't include the post season. Stipend is the same whether you make the post season or not. So the more successful you are, the less you get per hour.
But I see how you feel I am ripping you off. I get it. When drive in my Ferrari on the way to my mansion in Lake Forest from my cushy job, I laugh at everyone who has to pay taxes. Also, I find ways to hide my income from being taxed as income. I actually claim a loss each year so I don't pay any income taxes. Oh wait, those are the 10%-ers who we don't want to upset because they control the $ in our country. Its amazing that we as a society can get all over teachers for wanting better pay, benefits, and working conditions for themselves and the students, but we stay so silent about guys like Bezos and Trump and others who make soooo much $ and pay nothing in taxes. Yeah, lets continue to beat up on teachers and pay no attention to the rich and powerful. That's the way they are training you. Good boy!
When doing the breakdown of teacher pay, correct me if I'm wrong: unless the teacher is choosing to have all money paid to them during the school year (no checks coming in the summer), then they aren't being paid for 180 days correct? For those that choose to get the salary paid throughout the entire year including summer and want to compare to normal working payroll calendar, you would take 261 days times 7 working hours for 1827 hours. Then $100,000 divided 1827 gives you an hourly rate of around $52.
Prep period are for preparing for classes, attending meetings, etc. It is not considered free time for teachers to go shopping at the local mall. Duty free is your lunch.
I am not one complaining. You are the one attacking teachers for wanting a better situation. Have you never asked for a raise, or different health insurance, or anything else work related? If you don't get it, would you tuck your tail or try to find a better situation. These teachers are just asking for better work and learning environments.
And since I do have experience in both the private sector and public teaching, I feel I can speak to both. Yes, stress is a major part of everyone's work day. But how do you sit back and ridicule teachers for wanting better? Who messed you up that bad that your reaction to a teacher strike is that they are delusional or are trying to rip you off?
Man, I hope you don't have a credit card, or at least you don't read the APR when you get your statement. You'd be at that financial institution with a pitchfork and flamethrower.
I'm done with this conversation with you. I've made my point, you've made yours. I will respect your viewpoint but disagree with it. I'm sure you will whole-heartedly disagree with mine. We can leave it at that. Good luck with your fight against teachers and education. Deuces!
Not to be a dick but you and your wife's combined income is roughly $155,000 per the number you provided, that puts you in top 15% of household earners in the state you can complain about the top 10% all you want and I don't necessarily disagree but teachers are paid more than fairly when compared to parents of the kids they are teaching.
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What publication was this article in?
CPS teachers no longer have the option to have their salary paid out over 12 months. They can only be paid over the course of the school year.
You can call bogus all you want, but my wife is a veteran teacher and spends the same amount of time.
I have no problem with qualified teachers getting a fair salary and benefits. They definitely deserve it. What is a problem is that the CTU does not want any proficiency standards for teachers who in some cases are simply not qualified. The end product of their teaching abilities (graduation rates and test scoring levels) should be big part of their salary and also whether you can continue teaching in the CPS system.
I understand from a CTU person that the person speaking was from a charter school and not with the CTU. Apparently they had a group of different teacher unions participating in a labor rally. What is concerning is the applause this lady received at the end of her speech. She should definitely not be teaching any school kids period.
Only difference is CPS teachers get back pay at the end of the school year for time missed during the strike and GM workers don't. Its a lot less courageous striking for the kids when you aren't personally risking anything.
Not a close analogy. I don’t have a gun to my head to buy a GM or any car. But I am forced to pay ever rising taxes to provide for public schools whenever they deem themselves inadequately compensated.
They don't get back pay. They have to make those days up to get paid. If I am not mistaken, depending on the length of strike the district can elect not to make those days up since they did open schools up during the strike. In that case teachers will lose pay for the strike days.
Edit: I see your point about how GM workers don't have the ability to make up days, my bad.
My point is that there is no "weaponizing" of the moving parts. Teachers are using their own human capital just as the workers at GM are using theirs. Your taxes rising have nothing to do with MOST teacher strikes. MOST strikes deal with the money that is there and how it is allocated. Your taxes, generally, has to deal with outside factors. They wouldn't have closed down schools if the point you are trying to make was true. You have to remember that what you see on TV is rhetoric from both sides, and that the truth is somewhere in the middle. Vilifying teachers, however, is not the way to go. Just like presenting them perfect angels is also not the way to go.