Looks like Tiger will miss the cut..........
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If so, then he definitely has a chance. When he finished his round he was at +5 which was a tie for 76th, so it's very possible that the cut line moves back to include +5. Not that he has a chance in the tourney, but the cut line could allow him to stick around.
+5 was a tie for 74th. I believe that if 2 more players had made +4 or better, he'd be on his way home.
whaddayu mean, "this time"? when's the last time he missed the cut? What does he have to make excuses for? Being the best golfer EVER? I can't stand these Tiger haters. They'll be the same ones trying to impress their grandkids by telling them they got to watch Tiger in his prime. Just like the MJ (Jordan, not Jackson) haters, Aikman, Montana, etc. etc. Just enjoy watching history while you still can. These athletes don't come around all that often...why waste the little bit of time you have to enjoy them in their prime by hating on them?fishwater99 said:
2006 US Open
Not sure if he is the best golfer ever, best golfer in the modern era, then absolutly yes. I just thin he is an ***, treats fans and kids with disrespect. Is he a great golfer, yes, person, not so much. I loved MJ and he was the greatest BBall player ever...
Tiger's problem is two fold. 1. He is using inferior clubs and balls vs some of the other players. 2. He might not be truly healed from his knee surgery and I think he has lifted to many weights and his larger upper body has effected his swing.
In Jacks prime- 1962-1979- Jack finished in top 10 in 51 of 68 majors- winning 15 and finishing 2nd 13 times...
Tiger so far- 1996-2009- Tiger finished in top 10 in 32 of 52 majors- winning 14 and finishing 2nd 5 times
Unless Tiger wins the PGA, they will be exactly even on major wins thru the same numbers of years into their careers. This was the point of Jack's career that he began slowing down on major wins...Tiger appears to be doing the same thing....
Tiger so far- 1996-2009- Tiger finished in top 10 in 32 of 52 majors- winning 14 and finishing 2nd 5 times
Unless Tiger wins the PGA, they will be exactly even on major wins thru the same numbers of years into their careers. This was the point of Jack's career that he began slowing down on major wins...Tiger appears to be doing the same thing....
Every kid, try one or two.. Even Phat Phil signs for almost every kid out there.. Maybe Tiger just hates kids, or he is in a hurry to get to the weight room.[b said:
based solely on what a guy thirty years ago did. Sure, he had a really ****** couple of days this week, but he's won 3 PGA tournements and he finished tied for 6th in the first two majors of the year. Maybe if he doesn't win a major for a couple of years you might have a valid point in him slowing down like Nickalus did.
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until Tiger surpasses his major total, but do one thing since your comparing the records to each other. Find out how many cuts Jack missed vs how many cuts Tiger missed at same point in their careers.
I believe Tiger has missed 4 cuts total only 2 in the majors, since 1996 not talking about when he was an amateur. That alone is damned impressive. Its tough to make cuts. It aint easy.
I believe Tiger has missed 4 cuts total only 2 in the majors, since 1996 not talking about when he was an amateur. That alone is damned impressive. Its tough to make cuts. It aint easy.
there were millions of people that saw Jack's numbers slowing down at this point of his career? Nobody figured he would just win 1 of his next 16 majors, finishing 2nd 4 times, 3rd twice, and 4th twice...But as I have pointed out many times, with today's golfers being so mentally weak, Tiger may indeed keep it rolling...
This situation is the same as in other sports- a great player comes along and a generation of people get to witness their greatness. And this generation believes nobody is ever going to be as good as that player ever again, as well as no player before was ever as good.
Basketball? Chamberlin to Jordan to LeBron and Kobe
Football? Jim Brown to Walter Payton to Bo Jackson (too bad Bo didnt focus on football and didnt stay healthy)
Unitas to Montana to Brady or Manning
Baseball? Ted Williams to Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays to A-Rod
Makes for great debates
This situation is the same as in other sports- a great player comes along and a generation of people get to witness their greatness. And this generation believes nobody is ever going to be as good as that player ever again, as well as no player before was ever as good.
Basketball? Chamberlin to Jordan to LeBron and Kobe
Football? Jim Brown to Walter Payton to Bo Jackson (too bad Bo didnt focus on football and didnt stay healthy)
Unitas to Montana to Brady or Manning
Baseball? Ted Williams to Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays to A-Rod
Makes for great debates
Jack missed 4 cuts from 1962 when he turned pro through 1984- thats 4 cuts in 23 yearsDawgfan61 said:
Tiger has missed 3 cuts in now his 14th year...Tiger can't miss another cut for the next 9 years if he wants to beat Jack
Now then, who is more impressive?
Jack and Tiger just yet. Your right, nobody probably saw Jack fall off the grid, but I don't really see what that has to do with Tiger. What Jack didn't probably isn't the norm. I mean, most people associated with golf believe that 30-40 is a golfer's prime. Tiger is like 33.
And there is no way you can prove that the field of Jack's time was any better than the one that Tiger faces. It's just your opinion. And I disagree.
And there is no way you can prove that the field of Jack's time was any better than the one that Tiger faces. It's just your opinion. And I disagree.
and I had no idea Jack had only missed 4 cuts in his first 23 years on tour. That is amazing. The fact that Tiger has only missed 3 in 14 years is incredible as well. Both are great players.
I think it would be fun for the PGA to roll back the equipment on certain events. Make Tiger and these guys play with persimmon woods and balata balls.
I think it would be fun for the PGA to roll back the equipment on certain events. Make Tiger and these guys play with persimmon woods and balata balls.
the same point in their careers and jack playing in 16 more majors and only having 1 more major win?
Seriously, im not looking it up but your **** doesnt add up...interestingly enough, several have agreed with you. WTF am i missing?
Seriously, im not looking it up but your **** doesnt add up...interestingly enough, several have agreed with you. WTF am i missing?
they won 14 majors (assuming tiger doesnt win the pga). His other stats include Jacks full "prime" career.
ETA: after this "prime" period, he won three more. Which its hard to say someone is not in their prime when they win two majors in the same year (1980). But Jack did slow down after 1975.
ETA: after this "prime" period, he won three more. Which its hard to say someone is not in their prime when they win two majors in the same year (1980). But Jack did slow down after 1975.
This is the first time since 2007 Tiger hasn't finished in the top 10 in a PGA event. Let that sink in for a minute. Many guys don't go that long without missing cuts. That's simply incredible. If you call that slowing down, I'd like to see what you think him at full speed is.
There goes Coach again. Spinning facts to make them appear to prove his point. You are correct in that Jack missed 4 cuts from the time he turned pro in '62 until 1984. But, be fair and compare Jack's professional record to Tiger's <span style="font-style: italic;">professional</span> record. Tiger turned pro in August 1996. The third cut you are referring to Tiger occurred while he was an <span style="font-style: italic;">amateur</span> (Master's 1996)<span style="font-style: italic;">. </span> The comparable stat is Jack's 4 missed cuts over 91 majors over that period to Tiger's 2 missed cuts over 49 majors thus far. That's a cut rate of 4.40% for Jack and 4.08% rate for Tiger. Tiger wins.Coach34 said:
Further, if you count Jack's cuts in his first 49 majors played as a professional, he missed 3. Tiger wins again.
Wikipedia that ****.
Now then, who is more impressive?
just heard it on SC and went back and looked...it is 2 cuts...my mistake
Knee surgery last year...missing cuts...getting into his 30's...young babies at home....we'll see if he is able to keep the pace
Another factoid from Wikipedia- 1970-1979- Jack finished in the top 10 in 35 out of the 40 majors
Knee surgery last year...missing cuts...getting into his 30's...young babies at home....we'll see if he is able to keep the pace
Another factoid from Wikipedia- 1970-1979- Jack finished in the top 10 in 35 out of the 40 majors
Now I love jack, but I expect Tiger to blow by him.
Jack has 73 all time PGA wins, and Tiger 68.
Jack has 73 all time PGA wins, and Tiger 68.
Anyone that thinks that Jack's competition is even in the same atmosphere as Tiger's is crazy. Sure, there were some great golfers in Jack's era, but the field as a whole is no where close to what it is today. Golf was an upper class game for the most part until very recently. Hell, 15 years ago you'd get made fun of for playing golf in high school yet now you're on the outside looking in if you don't play. We can all thank Tiger for that.
On a side note, did anyone happen to notice a couple weeks ago when Tiger gave a fist pound to the vet that had most of his body blown away? Right after, Anthony Kim walks right by and doesn't even acknowledge the kid. How much would we be talking about that fact right now if the roles had been reversed? The microscope that Tiger is under is ridiculous.
On a side note, did anyone happen to notice a couple weeks ago when Tiger gave a fist pound to the vet that had most of his body blown away? Right after, Anthony Kim walks right by and doesn't even acknowledge the kid. How much would we be talking about that fact right now if the roles had been reversed? The microscope that Tiger is under is ridiculous.
consensus seems to be:
The other top golfers of today arent as good as Palmer, Player, Watson, Trevino, and a couple of others from then...BUT, the overall field is better. Fewer great players but more good players
Anybody saying Mickelson, Els, Singh, Garcia, Goosen, or Harrington are as good as those guys were are kidding themselves...You wont have to worry about any of these guys leading the British Open on Saturday when they are 2 months short of their 60th b-day
The other top golfers of today arent as good as Palmer, Player, Watson, Trevino, and a couple of others from then...BUT, the overall field is better. Fewer great players but more good players
Anybody saying Mickelson, Els, Singh, Garcia, Goosen, or Harrington are as good as those guys were are kidding themselves...You wont have to worry about any of these guys leading the British Open on Saturday when they are 2 months short of their 60th b-day
but Palmer was really in the latter part of his career when Nicklaus hit his prime, and Watson was just starting as Jack was towards the latter part of his own. I'd say that Trevino and Phil are somewhat comparable. Trevino has a few more majors, but Phil has more PGA wins already. Trevino has many more International wins, but who knows what Phil could do or could have done if he were playing in Europe or elsewhere. That one's a tough comparison.
At the end of the day, I don't think that it's possible to say that either Tiger or The Bear is clearly better than the other. So many of their records are so close in comparison right now that it's scary.
At the end of the day, I don't think that it's possible to say that either Tiger or The Bear is clearly better than the other. So many of their records are so close in comparison right now that it's scary.
Tiger has played 10 stroke play events. He's won three, finished in the Top 5 five times, and finished in the Top 10 in all events until this weekend.
He may not ever be what he was, but I think to say that he's lost his game is a little strong.
He may not ever be what he was, but I think to say that he's lost his game is a little strong.
he`s still the best today but after he had to clean himself up when the PGA started testing in July of 08 he`ll never be as dominant again. Now don`t take my word for this just watch.