We were on Garrett first and he commits, gets a little attention from a "big" school and bolts. McPhee looking around in the late stages. I see everybody worried about Russell now. This **** goes on constantly. Until we apply the pressure that other schools apply to recruits, it will continue. You can interpret "pressure" in a few different ways, you can interpret. High School coaches in MS that direct players out of state should be blacklisted. I'm sick of these redneck MS highschool coaches that want to feel important by sending a player to alabama or lsu. We are going to have to start playing harder ball to get things done. These recruits need to ask players like terry grant (who was convinced by said coaches who want to feel important that he was too good to play college ball in MS) how it feels to be buried on the depthchart so far that he can't even see the field. Ask Milton Tolbert while you're at it. And tell Russell to ask saban how often he will throw the ball at alabama. Saban is a defensive coach and will never throw it more than he has to. Of course Saban won't tell that to Russell. Tired of this ****.</p>
Losing recruits at the last minute.
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We were on Garrett first and he commits, gets a little attention from a "big" school and bolts. McPhee looking around in the late stages. I see everybody worried about Russell now. This **** goes on constantly. Until we apply the pressure that other schools apply to recruits, it will continue. You can interpret "pressure" in a few different ways, you can interpret. High School coaches in MS that direct players out of state should be blacklisted. I'm sick of these redneck MS highschool coaches that want to feel important by sending a player to alabama or lsu. We are going to have to start playing harder ball to get things done. These recruits need to ask players like terry grant (who was convinced by said coaches who want to feel important that he was too good to play college ball in MS) how it feels to be buried on the depthchart so far that he can't even see the field. Ask Milton Tolbert while you're at it. And tell Russell to ask saban how often he will throw the ball at alabama. Saban is a defensive coach and will never throw it more than he has to. Of course Saban won't tell that to Russell. Tired of this ****.</p>
Would you rather recruit against the big boys and play the game or settlle for the 2* recruits we beat UAB and Troy out for? We aren't in any position to "exert pressure" on a 4 or 5* recruit that holds offers from perennial powers. All we can do is try to beat everyone else out for the signature and have backup plan in place if we don't.
you can't play better ball when all of your best players and recruits leave the state. Some of you people are so damn simple in your thinking. "just win and everything will take care of itself". If that is the case, maybe we can convince the second teamers from tupelo h.s. to go out and beat alabama, auburn, and florida. Nevermind that they are 5'9" 160 and run a 5.1 fourty.
"High School coaches in MS that direct players out of state should be blacklisted. I'm sick of these redneck MS highschool coaches that want to feel important by sending a player to alabama or lsu"
First of all, you dont know what the hell you are talking about. There are coaches all over this state trying their best to get kids to stay in state and go to school. Try convincing a promising athlete to go play for Crooms and that ******** he called an offense. Its rare a coach wants his players to go out of state unless he is a graduate of that school. Most coaches want to go see their guys play regularly, and with very little time on the weekends, coaches dont want their players going very far off.
I personally drove Marcus Johnson to Starkville twice when we recruited him. My time and my gas were used- why? Because I wanted him playing for State. And even though he signed with Mississippi, I did all I could do. Kids make their own decisions for the most part.
Hell, whether or not they get laid on a recruiting visit has more influence on where they go than their coach advising them in most cases.
First of all, you dont know what the hell you are talking about. There are coaches all over this state trying their best to get kids to stay in state and go to school. Try convincing a promising athlete to go play for Crooms and that ******** he called an offense. Its rare a coach wants his players to go out of state unless he is a graduate of that school. Most coaches want to go see their guys play regularly, and with very little time on the weekends, coaches dont want their players going very far off.
I personally drove Marcus Johnson to Starkville twice when we recruited him. My time and my gas were used- why? Because I wanted him playing for State. And even though he signed with Mississippi, I did all I could do. Kids make their own decisions for the most part.
Hell, whether or not they get laid on a recruiting visit has more influence on where they go than their coach advising them in most cases.
<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">I think that you are on to something! Remember the high school coach the Alabama Booster gave 150k to help get a kid on campus. I think Alabama got hammered, the booster committed suicide, the coach went to jail or something and the football player ended up at Memphis. All bad situations.Coach34 said:
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</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Well it may not have gone that way but I am pretty dang close.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> Thes high school kid's look up to their High school coaches.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> In many of these cases in the Mississippi public schools system, he is the only father figure the kid has.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> That high school coach has a lot of influence on those high school kids.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> I kind of figure there is a lot of, "What's in it for me" attitude among these coaches.</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></p>
</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">(I hope that I did not break any rules calling a high school student a kid?<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> )</span></p>
I do know what i am talking about and have witnessed it. I have sat in the room when asst. coaches from the "big" schools make the call to a h.s. coach and watch the h.s. coach start kissing ***. He couldn't wait to hang up and tell us who he was talking with. It made him feel important. It is just like when people flock around Steve McNair at walmart or the softball field. They are starstruck. I agree with you that most coaches don't do this and I didn't mean to imply that, but you are kidding yourself if you don't think that it doesn't go on in our state, probably moreso than other states.
Let's blacklist coaches when a recruit signs out of state. That will work perfectly. Then, the next time he has a blue chipper on his team and people ask why we didn't recruit him, we can tell them that we are blacklisting his coach. Fantastic.
Seriously, what would you have us do? The fact is, we are sandwiched in between some seriously good programs who just happen to compete nationally and have tons of tradition, money, exposure, etc. Meanwhile, MSU has been synonomous with sucky football for pretty much this entire decade. Some players are going to be drawn to the successful programs no matter what a coach does. The "win and things will work out" line really does hold here. If we put a competent offense out there, the recruits will be much more likely to sign with us.
Seriously, what would you have us do? The fact is, we are sandwiched in between some seriously good programs who just happen to compete nationally and have tons of tradition, money, exposure, etc. Meanwhile, MSU has been synonomous with sucky football for pretty much this entire decade. Some players are going to be drawn to the successful programs no matter what a coach does. The "win and things will work out" line really does hold here. If we put a competent offense out there, the recruits will be much more likely to sign with us.
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to the coaches for sending their player there.
Their fans are nuts. They would pay a guy 10 grand while all we are willing to pony up is 20 bucks and a sandwich at Oby's- and then we get put on probation.
That's just the reality of how Bama is. I don't like it, but that's how it is.
the iron bowl, get to work at the lsu football camp. People are motivated by many different things. To some people, especially a h.s. football coach, just talking to nick saban is enough. </p>
a competent offense, defense, and special teams.
We have to set our goals higher. I mean, if you go State, you might get to play for the Liberty Bowl. At Bama and LSU you might get to play for a NC. But that's the catch-22, we have to be realistic but at the same time, we have to keep our goals high because of the people that we're competing with.
We have to set our goals higher. I mean, if you go State, you might get to play for the Liberty Bowl. At Bama and LSU you might get to play for a NC. But that's the catch-22, we have to be realistic but at the same time, we have to keep our goals high because of the people that we're competing with.
already get that ****. They dont have to have a player sign to get access. Hell, I talked to Tommy Bowden at a Nike clinic in Birmingham for 5 minutes and got invited to their Spring Practice and all access with their offensive staff. I enjoyed my trip to Clempson tremendously and didnt even have a recruit good enough to be a managerDirtyLopez said:
maybe the player just wanted to play for a bigger program, as shocking as that may sound. I know it sounds strange, but maybe playing for national championships is preferable to some players over fighting for the peach or cotton bowl.
Exactly right. Some players are going to sign with the LSUs of the world. That's just a fact. That doesn't mean I have a loser mentality by saying that, just facing the truth. Now, we haven't been doing ourselves any favors these past 8 years by sucking, but not all of these guys are going to stay in-state. I maintain that most will if OM and State are having success, but at least one or two big time prospects are going to choose the national program over ours.
Here's what we can do about it - be successful and recruit hard. It's simple really. People like a winner. Applying pressure is just stupid when you have no leverage, and MSU and Ole Miss have none. Bama has leverage. LSU has leverage. Georgia and Florida have leverage. MSU has none. We have to work harder to try to fend these guys off. Again I say that having an exciting offense should help us. For the first time in ages we will have an offense that might actually attract some top tier talent and not put people to sleep and send top offensive recruits looking elsewhere.
Here's what we can do about it - be successful and recruit hard. It's simple really. People like a winner. Applying pressure is just stupid when you have no leverage, and MSU and Ole Miss have none. Bama has leverage. LSU has leverage. Georgia and Florida have leverage. MSU has none. We have to work harder to try to fend these guys off. Again I say that having an exciting offense should help us. For the first time in ages we will have an offense that might actually attract some top tier talent and not put people to sleep and send top offensive recruits looking elsewhere.
i'm sure they're not gonna sell their alma matas short. When MSU quits doing it the right way and starts playing ball, then we'll get a 2nd sniff from the studs.
ICC's coach is a state man, one of his daughters went to state and the other didn't go there b/c she wanted to go to MC for a better shot at going on missions to wherever. Guarantee Coach Terrill tried his dead level best to get McPhee to MSU.
ICC's coach is a state man, one of his daughters went to state and the other didn't go there b/c she wanted to go to MC for a better shot at going on missions to wherever. Guarantee Coach Terrill tried his dead level best to get McPhee to MSU.