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Love Pike but this was on him

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sport2231

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OldManRiver said:
Oh please….
we started the RAC renovation early with all those bricks we were throwing up on the freethrow line and the field.
This was totally on the guys playing between the lines.
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You’re right. The guys playing between the lines. And as you said, our best players arent great offensively. So you don’t try to steal some minutes with even worse offensive and defensive players when you have the momentum
 
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in22

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Every team is going to have a bad night from the line once in a while and we have been better than usual this year. While I acknowledge that this game was especially bad we have a putrid offense tonight regardless of whether we shoot 25% or our season average. Pike HAS to put his guys in a better spot to succeed on offense. He HAS to coach them so they don’t run around like decapitated chickens every possession. He HAS to be able to coach Cliff to get position down low instead of posting up at the foul line and turning around and shooting an ugly hook shot. I understand he can’t coach shots going in but they’re not running an offense that allows for lots of shots to go in. Every other team we face get more open looks than us even Minnesota. Although we don’t have great offensive players, I refuse they can’t be coached into scoring league average in points. And one more thing, has anyone noticed that almost all out points come from “organized chaos”? Every time we stop and recoup our offense time after time not only fails to score but look lost. I love Pike as much as anyone and I believe that sometimes you have to take a step back to take 2 steps forward but he has to put his team in more favorable positions to succeed. Go RU! And beat the **** out of Ped St Sunday?
 
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zappaa said:
It’s strange the way we play offense so out of control for extended periods of the game.
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We struggle in half court so they were trying to push it before the defense was set... but we also struggle doing that
 
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koko2315

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WAs certainly a momentum game. 13-3 and subs is one thing. We also had a handful of runs where we could have flipped the script but came up w a crap turnover. Or missed FT’s.

Up a handful at halftime was a real possibility but boneheaded passes and bad fouls
 
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Greene Rice FIG said:
I know what we have gotten out of our guards this year. We are whatever we are at this moment (9th seed?) with them and because of them.

I am giving credit to Bufkin. He and the other guy deserve it.
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The difference between McDaniel and Simpson is a perfect illustration of the difference between a top-100 guy (McDaniel was #87) and an under-the-radar three star.

McDaniel stunk it up early on and absolutely was not ready. Llewellyn got hurt and he got pressed into more action. He went through some growing pains but he's been a medium-sized PLUS for them in conference play.

Simpson might be end up being a medium-sized PLUS for us but there was virtually no chance of that happening as a freshman so when we have an injury and he gets forced into a bigger role... this is what we get.
 
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bethlehemfan

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kcg88 said:
The difference between McDaniel and Simpson is a perfect illustration of the difference between a top-100 guy (McDaniel was #87) and an under-the-radar three star.

McDaniel stunk it up early on and absolutely was not ready. Llewellyn got hurt and he got pressed into more action. He went through some growing pains but he's been a medium-sized PLUS for them in conference play.

Simpson might be end up being a medium-sized PLUS for us but there was virtually no chance of that happening as a freshman so when we have an injury and he gets forced into a bigger role... this is what we get.
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McDaniel was a difference maker. He took Simpson out of the game as well as cam to a large degree. He caused a couple of key turnovers and he carried them down the stretch.
 
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richthedentist

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zappaa said:
It’s strange the way we play offense so out of control for extended periods of the game.
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We don't even play offense; our offense is predicated on one guy breaking down the defense and 4 guys watching him; We NEVER set off the ball screens, no movement and secondly which has become increasingly worse as the season goes on is trying to get the ball to Cliff in the post; he never gets good position and when the ball goes into him its like going into a black hole; if he is double teamed he cannot pass out of the double turns it over or he just flat out forces shots many of them just ugly the perfect example was him taking a lefty hook from 12 feet out towards the end of the game last night
We have no pick and roll game because our guys refuse to shoot and Cliff just lacks basketball IQ;
And I know quote Cliff has been getting a double double but that is not good enough and to add his defense has been mainly terrible against most of the bigs in the league
 
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RUJMM78

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fluoxetine said:
The coach is ultimately responsible for the players on the team and how they play, but I don't think there was anything Pike could've done to save this one on game day
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The problem isn't just this game.There has been very little evidence that any player has shown marked improvement on offense from the start of the B1G Ten season to the present.Hyatt would be the best choice but was a no show against Michigan.The poor recruiting in recent seasons combined with the departure of Baker and Harper are the reasons for the mediocre offense.
 
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fluoxetine

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RUJMM78 said:
The problem isn't just this game.There has been very little evidence that any player has shown marked improvement on offense from the start of the B1G Ten season to the present.
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I don't think it's common for players to really change that much in the span of 2 months in-season? Especially non-freshmen.
 
RW90

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I don't think many "players" improve their offense over the course of a season. Offensive skills are usually recruited.
 
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mildone_rivals

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It’s not “on Pike”. UM played better than we did in the second half. They defended hard and we couldn’t hit shots, even when open. We defended hard, but they still hit shots, especially at the end of the game.

The loss is on the entire team, including all players and coaches, the way all losses are. On a night where our players are hitting their shots, we probably win.
 
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mildone_rivals

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LotusAggressor said:
It's amazing how great coaches are when the ball goes in the basket. It's equally amazing how bad they become when it doesn't.
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Ain't it just. 🙂

TBH, I really don't understand this long-running trend where people insist on finding someone to blame for everything. It's become American's favorite pastime - playing the blame game. In sports, politics, everything.

I know, I know. It's people with my attitude that are to blame for everything. 🤣
 
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RW90 said:
I don't think many "players" improve their offense over the course of a season. Offensive skills are usually recruited.
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That’s why Mag was so
Impactful and having a special year
He was one of the rare cases where you saw a huge improvement offensively from the beginning of the year.
He was the difference maker. Proof Rutgers can’t have nice things
 
RU#1fan

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80RU said:
I agree. Pike missed way too many free throws and layups.
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Yeah and he didn’t change the lineup when we were on a big run that changed the whole momentum of the game for Michigan. Brilliant
 
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in22

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Obviously Pike can’t make the ball go in but you’d be silly to completely deflect all the blame on the players. Think about what leads to most of the missed shots during the possessions? They look lost and frantic. Pikiell has to draw up plays and coach them to be like every other Big Ten Team!
 
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mildone_rivals

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in22 said:
Obviously Pike can’t make the ball go in but you’d be silly to completely deflect all the blame on the players. Think about what leads to most of the missed shots during the possessions? They look lost and frantic. Pikiell has to draw up plays and coach them to be like every other Big Ten Team!
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That's funny, because I think it's silly to assess any blame to any coaches or players that would require any deflecting in the first place. But it seems especially silly to single out anybody in a game where nobody had a particularly great showing.

On the bright side, I think Palmquist is showing good improvement with the extra game time he's been getting. So that was a positive of sorts, as we'll need him in the games to come.
 
NewJerseyHawk

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I watched some of the same posts in the Iowa Wisconsin thread the other day and I never saw anyone blame Fran McCaffrey for his teams woeful shooting from 3 point range at NW and at Wisconsin the last 2 games.....and they have a roster full of players recruited as shooters, to fit perfectly inside the Iowa system.

Sometimes, teams have a clunker or slump for a couple of games.
 
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RU84

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I was just surprised and disappointed by some of our lack of focus, discipline and breakdown in basic basketball fundamentals. What happened to backcut if denied yet how many times just outside the 3 pt line did the player with the ball throw a pass to a blanketed receiver who was just standing there instead of cutting? What happened to not throwing passes through tight windows yet how many times did players try to jam passes to teammates who were covered or Caleb launch a long hail Mary to a double covered player downcourt? What happened to fake high pass low yet how many times did players telegraph passes that got picked off? What happened to "avoid mindless dribbling" yet how many times did we see Paul, Cam, etc. dribbling around without a plan? What happened to if you're a shooter and open shoot, yet how many times did players hold back, pass up a good shot only to have a tough shot forced up late in the shot clock? I'm no college coach or even a high school coach but when I coached my 3 kids travel teams we pounded these fundamentals from 4th to 8th grade.
 
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mildone said:
That's funny, because I think it's silly to assess any blame to any coaches or players that would require any deflecting in the first place. But it seems especially silly to single out anybody in a game where nobody had a particularly great showing.

On the bright side, I think Palmquist is showing good improvement with the extra game time he's been getting. So that was a positive of sorts, as we'll need him in the games to come.
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I agree. IMO, it’s the collective effort that needs to get better.
 
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sport2231

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Popping back in here again.

For me, it feels like he has gone bench heavy lineups 8-10 minutes in to give a bunch of the starters a rest in one shot. A team with Simpson, Reiber, Woolfolk on the floor at the same time is just going to get run over against just about any team besides MINN

When you are up 13-3 and clicking, let that lineup getting it done run for as long as they can play at that level and extend the lead. Or at least only throw 1 bench player out there at a time

Does the game change if we get up 25-12 12 min in because we didn’t unload the bench
 
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Scangg

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RUJMM78 said:
The problem isn't just this game.There has been very little evidence that any player has shown marked improvement on offense from the start of the B1G Ten season to the present.Hyatt would be the best choice but was a no show against Michigan.The poor recruiting in recent seasons combined with the departure of Baker and Harper are the reasons for the mediocre offense.
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fluoxetine said:
I don't think it's common for players to really change that much in the span of 2 months in-season? Especially non-freshmen.
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RW90 said:
I don't think many "players" improve their offense over the course of a season. Offensive skills are usually recruited.
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Mag was the player most improved offensively. I think some other players started to slump a bit before he got hurt but it was countered by Mag's improvement to offset it

The positive spin is there is room for improvement from most of the roster with many of them proven that they are capable of playing better than they are currently. They just need to find a way to regain their form
 
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