Low (ESPN) has us in the Cotton
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But all the bowls have changed dates since the BCS expanded for the most part.
Cotton really wants to be part of the BCS.
Cotton really wants to be part of the BCS.
since I live in DFW. Haven't had a chance to see us in person in a long time due to family and financial reasons. I would only have to pop for tickets & the short drive to Jerry world.
it's always been a jan 1 or jan 2 game. i don't understand why they moved it up a week later either.
if they are available to get a throw-back match-up. Not sure if Peach picks before or after the Cotton with the new payout structure...but thats my guess assuming we win one or two of the next three.</p>
She had them there even after they lost to Colorado and were sitting at 1-4 with Auburn, Ga Tech, and Florida left to play. Glad she finally came to her senses after figuring out Georgia may not even go to a bowl game this year, which in and of itself is crazy to say.
they're so off the wall. Other than political correctness, I have no idea why they allow her to project bowls.
The old way, circa 2008, they could pick any West team that was #3 thru #5, which in this scenario means they could pick us or Arky. But i can't pin down if it's still that way or not. Several sites have it as they can pick either the top West team, or an East team after the Outback has picked from the East. That too would seem to say they could pick Arky, or even any bowl eligible SEC team. Maybe they could only pick a team within one loss of the top remaining West team, as the Capital One bowl must do (this would be the only way Low's prediction makes sense). But it does seem the #3-#5 structure is out, with the Peach just getting to pick from whoever's left after the Outback and Cotton pick.
Arky still has to play SC, LSU and us, so it'spossible that they'd be two SEC losses behind us.
if we lose to them, and they're within a loss of us, i think the Cotton would take them. SC is probably in the Outback, so the Peach would pick between us, FL, and GA.if they both win out/lose one, that would likely put GA in the Peach, FL in the Gator, and us in the Music City Bowl.
Arky still has to play SC, LSU and us, so it'spossible that they'd be two SEC losses behind us.
if we lose to them, and they're within a loss of us, i think the Cotton would take them. SC is probably in the Outback, so the Peach would pick between us, FL, and GA.if they both win out/lose one, that would likely put GA in the Peach, FL in the Gator, and us in the Music City Bowl.
that the Cotton Bowl might come down to whether we beat Arkansas or not. I can't see the Cotton Bowl not picking Arkansas if at all possible especially if they can match up Texas and Arkansas with Ryan Mallett, and the Peach has always liked us, and they had a representative at the UK game.
After the BCS games pick, the Capital One Bowl picks from all available SEC teams (cannot go more than one conference loss below the next available team)
If Alabama and Auburn were picked by the BCS games, then currently the Capital One Bowl could pick between LSU, Mississippi State, Arkansas or South Carolina.
If the Cap One Bowl picked LSU, then the Cotton, Peach and Outback have the next pick, together. All three bowls rank the next tier of teams (which in this case would be 2 and 3 loss teams (Mississippi State, Arkansas, South Carolina, Florida). Traditionally, the Cotton takes a West team and the Outback takes an East team, but there is no requirement.
Hypothetically, lets say that this is the order of prerference:
Cotton: Arkansas, MSU, Florida
Outback: Florida, South Carolina, Arkansas
Peach: Florida, Mississippi State, South Carolina
Arkansas would go to the Cotton Bowl. Florida would be offered the choice of the Outback and Peach. If they chose the Outback, Mississippi State would go to the Peach Bowl and South Carolina would go to the next tier, If they chose the Peach, South Carolina would go to the Outback and Mississippi State would drop to the next tier.
The next tier is the Gator Bowl by itself. Mississippi State or South Carolina, the loser in the above scenario, would be the only eligible team.
The next tier is the Liberty and Music City Bowls. The sequence is the same as above. Georgia, Kentucky and lets say Tennessee wins out gets to 6-6 would be available, just to make it interesting.
Music City: Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky
Liberty: Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia
Both Tennessee bowls want Tennessee, and Tennessee would rather play in the Music City Bowl than the Liberty. The Liberty's second choice is Kentucky rather than Georgia, so Kentucky goes to the Liberty and Georgia drops to the next tier.
Birmingham Bowl: Georgia is the only team available and they get a big name team for a low level bowl. Georgia fans are pissed because they felt like they deserved the Music City Bowl.
This could happen. I think we end up in the Peach Bowl, but the Gator is a possibility. We beat Arkansas, we may get to the Cotton by default. Arkansas could end the season two losses behind us as they still have to play LSU and South Carolina. But you could see a situation where we still ended up in Atlanta because Cotton would take Florida. If there are only three teams in that Cotton/Peach/Outback tier, it would probably be USC/Florida/MSU. I feel confident that the Cotton would prefer Florida, the Outback would prefer USC and we would default to Peach.
If the same system were in effect in 1999 (sans the Gator, Liberty and Birmingham Bowls, who did not have a tie-in)
BCS took Alabama and Tennessee
Capital One could have chosen between Florida and Mississippi State. (they chose Florida)
Outback/Peach/Cotton could have chosen between Mississippi State and Georgia (Outback chose Georgia, Peach chose MSU, Cotton ended up with Arkansas who was 4-4 in the SEC, but they could have taken Ole Miss or Kentucky as there were no available 5-3 teams)
Music City/Independence could have chosen Kentucky or Ole Miss (Music City chose UK, Indy took Ole Miss)
If Alabama and Auburn were picked by the BCS games, then currently the Capital One Bowl could pick between LSU, Mississippi State, Arkansas or South Carolina.
If the Cap One Bowl picked LSU, then the Cotton, Peach and Outback have the next pick, together. All three bowls rank the next tier of teams (which in this case would be 2 and 3 loss teams (Mississippi State, Arkansas, South Carolina, Florida). Traditionally, the Cotton takes a West team and the Outback takes an East team, but there is no requirement.
Hypothetically, lets say that this is the order of prerference:
Cotton: Arkansas, MSU, Florida
Outback: Florida, South Carolina, Arkansas
Peach: Florida, Mississippi State, South Carolina
Arkansas would go to the Cotton Bowl. Florida would be offered the choice of the Outback and Peach. If they chose the Outback, Mississippi State would go to the Peach Bowl and South Carolina would go to the next tier, If they chose the Peach, South Carolina would go to the Outback and Mississippi State would drop to the next tier.
The next tier is the Gator Bowl by itself. Mississippi State or South Carolina, the loser in the above scenario, would be the only eligible team.
The next tier is the Liberty and Music City Bowls. The sequence is the same as above. Georgia, Kentucky and lets say Tennessee wins out gets to 6-6 would be available, just to make it interesting.
Music City: Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky
Liberty: Tennessee, Kentucky, Georgia
Both Tennessee bowls want Tennessee, and Tennessee would rather play in the Music City Bowl than the Liberty. The Liberty's second choice is Kentucky rather than Georgia, so Kentucky goes to the Liberty and Georgia drops to the next tier.
Birmingham Bowl: Georgia is the only team available and they get a big name team for a low level bowl. Georgia fans are pissed because they felt like they deserved the Music City Bowl.
This could happen. I think we end up in the Peach Bowl, but the Gator is a possibility. We beat Arkansas, we may get to the Cotton by default. Arkansas could end the season two losses behind us as they still have to play LSU and South Carolina. But you could see a situation where we still ended up in Atlanta because Cotton would take Florida. If there are only three teams in that Cotton/Peach/Outback tier, it would probably be USC/Florida/MSU. I feel confident that the Cotton would prefer Florida, the Outback would prefer USC and we would default to Peach.
If the same system were in effect in 1999 (sans the Gator, Liberty and Birmingham Bowls, who did not have a tie-in)
BCS took Alabama and Tennessee
Capital One could have chosen between Florida and Mississippi State. (they chose Florida)
Outback/Peach/Cotton could have chosen between Mississippi State and Georgia (Outback chose Georgia, Peach chose MSU, Cotton ended up with Arkansas who was 4-4 in the SEC, but they could have taken Ole Miss or Kentucky as there were no available 5-3 teams)
Music City/Independence could have chosen Kentucky or Ole Miss (Music City chose UK, Indy took Ole Miss)
the SEC conspicuously took down their bowl selection page on SECsports.com.
like i said, unless we can create a 2-loss separation somewhere, we will compete with Arky for the Cotton, GA/FL for the Peach and Gator. we wind up in the Music City Bowl. and i can't even pin down that the 1-loss rule even matters anymore.
the Peach Bowl may like us, but we've never been competing with Georgia and Florida for it. I doubt they'd take us over them.
like i said, unless we can create a 2-loss separation somewhere, we will compete with Arky for the Cotton, GA/FL for the Peach and Gator. we wind up in the Music City Bowl. and i can't even pin down that the 1-loss rule even matters anymore.
the Peach Bowl may like us, but we've never been competing with Georgia and Florida for it. I doubt they'd take us over them.
1. SECsports.com is worthless now. They took off all the archived stats and the bowl information. Its terrible.
2. 615, Im a pretty good researcher but how the hell do you find this stuff? Like the 18 game 11:21 deal you stated the other day. Nice work.
2. 615, Im a pretty good researcher but how the hell do you find this stuff? Like the 18 game 11:21 deal you stated the other day. Nice work.
- #1 Bowl Championship Series. The winner of the SEC Championship Game gains an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Allstate Sugar Bowl.
- #2 The Capital One Bowl
must select the team with the best overall record among non-BCS playing
SEC teams, or a team within one game of the best record. - #3-4 The Cotton Bowl Classic has first pick of remaining teams from the Western Division, and the Outback Bowl typically picks a remaining team from the Eastern Division.
- #5 The Chick-fil-A Bowl selects after those two bowls.
- #6 The Gator Bowl receives the sixth pick.
- #7-8 The Music City Bowl and the Liberty Bowl work with the SEC office to determine the seventh and eighth picks.
- #9 The Birmingham Bowl
receives the ninth choice of SEC teams. In years where the SEC does not
have nine bowl eligible teams, the Birmingham Bowl will select from the
Sun Belt Conference instead.
i can't find anywhere else to go to that officially says how bowls are selected. without that, 615 is just floating his theory.
Seriously, I have seen some documentation that this is how it worked, somewhere online. I just remembered it because I am a geek like that. I also remember a specific clause that the Cotton and Outback may prefer West and East teams, but it is not in the contract for those bowls to take West and East teams, which is why I think Florida could be an intriguing choice for the Cotton Bowl. They usually aren't there.
the problem is they changed things up after they added the Gator bowl and ditched the Independence Bowl. honestly i haven't paid attention the last couple years because we've not been bowl eligible. but it looks like the SEC hasn't publicly stated what the new guidelines are. and we all know how much the SEC would hate to screw us over in favor of Arkansas/Georgia/Florida.
Would the Cotton, if given the option by the SEC, take an Arkansas that we beat AND has an extra loss over us? 50/50 i think. would the SEC allow it? probably. ditto for Peach/Gator and GA/FL.
Would the Cotton, if given the option by the SEC, take an Arkansas that we beat AND has an extra loss over us? 50/50 i think. would the SEC allow it? probably. ditto for Peach/Gator and GA/FL.