LSUFreek on the BCS..
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<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" style="min-width: 0px; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">How will they feel about having to beat 2 or 3 SEC teams in order to win a NC?</font><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" style="min-width: 0px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></font></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" style="min-width: 0px; ">16 TEAM PLAYOFF (based on current BCS rankings with seedings to avoid conference v conference as much as possible)</font></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" style="min-width: 0px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></font></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">#15 Clemson (ACC)</span><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; white-space: pre; "> </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">at #1 LSU (SEC)</span></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" style="min-width: 0px; ">#9 Wisconsin (Big 10)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="min-width: 0px; white-space: pre; "> </span>at #8 Kansas St. (Big 12)</font></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" style="min-width: 0px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></font></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">#13 Michigan</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">(Big 10)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="min-width: 0px; white-space: pre; "> </span>at</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">#4 Stanford (PAC 10)</span></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">#12 Baylor (Big 12)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="min-width: 0px; white-space: pre; "> </span>at #5 Arkansas (SEC)</span></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; 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"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial" style="min-width: 0px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></font></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">#16 Georgia (SEC)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="min-width: 0px; white-space: pre; "> </span>at #3 Okie St.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">(Big 12)</span></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">#11 S Carolina (SEC)<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="min-width: 0px; white-space: pre; "> </span>at #</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">6 Oregon (PAC 10)</span></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></span></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">3-5 SEC teams would likely be in the "Elite 8"....</span></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></span></div><div style="min-width: 0px; max-width: 99%; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="min-width: 0px; font-family: Arial; ">if you think "they" are bitchin' now.........</span></div>
No one complains about it in other leagues or sports. Think about it... a Wild Card Green Bay team with 6 losses won the Super Bowl last year. A wild card St. Louis team that got the wild card spot after the very last game of the season won the world series. No one complained when a UConn team that went .500 in the Big East in the regular season won the national title in basketball. No one is complaining about the fairness there. If UGA get's a playoff spot and win games, they deserve to win the title.
And now everyone else that is coming around to a playoff is doing so because the SEC took over the BCS title game.
If the SEC only cared about the title, we wouldn't be wanting change. It's clear the SEC is willing to expand this deal and give everyone a shot to get pounded.
If you ever go to a 16 team playoff, I still like the idea of having all 11 conferences get an automatic bid with 5 at large bids to the highest rated non-conference champion teams calculated by a formula. I would do seeding using that same formula. Here is how my proposal would work:
1) LSU (SEC Champ)
16) Northern Illinois (MAC Champ)
8) Kansas State (at large)
9) Wisconsin (B1G Champ)
4) Stanford (at large)
13) West Virginia (Big East Champ)
5) Oregon (Pac 12 Champ)
12) Southern Miss (CUSA Champ)
2) Alabama (at large)
15) Arkansas State (Sun Belt Champ)
7) Boise State (at large)
10) Clemson (ACC Champ)
3) Oklahoma State (Big 12 Champ)
14) Louisiana Tech (WAC Champ)
6) Arkansas (at large)
11) TCU (MWC Champ)
I like this format, because it includes all conferences for one thing, plus it appeases all of the every game counts people. For example, had Oklahoma State lost to Oklahoma, they probably would've dropped to a match up with maybe TCU or Clemson, rather than playing Louisiana Tech. Arkansas's loss to LSU took them from playing maybe Arkansas State to playing TCU, much tougher match up. Boise's loss to TCU nearly took them out of the picture altogether, and it certainly took them from Louisiana Tech to Clemson.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
If the SEC only cared about the title, we wouldn't be wanting change. It's clear the SEC is willing to expand this deal and give everyone a shot to get pounded.
If you ever go to a 16 team playoff, I still like the idea of having all 11 conferences get an automatic bid with 5 at large bids to the highest rated non-conference champion teams calculated by a formula. I would do seeding using that same formula. Here is how my proposal would work:
1) LSU (SEC Champ)
16) Northern Illinois (MAC Champ)
8) Kansas State (at large)
9) Wisconsin (B1G Champ)
4) Stanford (at large)
13) West Virginia (Big East Champ)
5) Oregon (Pac 12 Champ)
12) Southern Miss (CUSA Champ)
2) Alabama (at large)
15) Arkansas State (Sun Belt Champ)
7) Boise State (at large)
10) Clemson (ACC Champ)
3) Oklahoma State (Big 12 Champ)
14) Louisiana Tech (WAC Champ)
6) Arkansas (at large)
11) TCU (MWC Champ)
I like this format, because it includes all conferences for one thing, plus it appeases all of the every game counts people. For example, had Oklahoma State lost to Oklahoma, they probably would've dropped to a match up with maybe TCU or Clemson, rather than playing Louisiana Tech. Arkansas's loss to LSU took them from playing maybe Arkansas State to playing TCU, much tougher match up. Boise's loss to TCU nearly took them out of the picture altogether, and it certainly took them from Louisiana Tech to Clemson.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
4 teams.
I don't want to see a 3 or 4 loss team playing for a NC, and they'll never add 3 extra games.
I don't want to see a 3 or 4 loss team playing for a NC, and they'll never add 3 extra games.
Why is a school Division 1 if it is nearly impossible for them to even compete for a championship? I think had Houston gone undefeated, certainly they should have a CHANCE to play for a national title... same for Boise or TCU. The best team will obviously win, and it wouldn't be extended further than the National Championship is now. Hell, they can even take out a game or two out of the regular season and do it that way... but anything is better than the system now. Oklahoma State should have a chance, along with Alabama, LSU, Clemson, and the other conference champions you listed, to play for the championship. The team that wins games wins the title. I have no problem with that.
How many times have we been left out of the NCAAT because of the regular season? And in college football, it only makes it harder to get into the playoff because you would either have to:
1. Win your conference
2. Be one of the best 5 teams in the country that didn't win your conference.
I have no problem with a 2 or 3 loss team winning the national title. If they can win 4 playoff games against conference champions and the top 5 non conference champions in the country, they deserve to win the title. Polls would still matter, strength of schedule would still matter in seeding, and the regular season would CERTAINLY still matter because NO ONE would be there that didn't deserve to be there instead of leaving out teams that deserve to play for the title.
1. Win your conference
2. Be one of the best 5 teams in the country that didn't win your conference.
I have no problem with a 2 or 3 loss team winning the national title. If they can win 4 playoff games against conference champions and the top 5 non conference champions in the country, they deserve to win the title. Polls would still matter, strength of schedule would still matter in seeding, and the regular season would CERTAINLY still matter because NO ONE would be there that didn't deserve to be there instead of leaving out teams that deserve to play for the title.
Let me add that conference expansion and increased conference schedules mean fewer intersectional games, which makes for even more of an argument for a playoff.
If a lot of leagues start going to 9 game league schedules, you'll see very few good intersectional games scheduled, and not only that, but teams have more chances to have blemishes on their record. Those two factors make it even more imperative that a championship be played out on the field, including even some 2 loss teams, and the occasional 3 loss team.
ETA: I think we could see the day in the near future where the BCS leagues split off to form their own league. It's look like 5 leagues will survive, unless the Big 12 is raided again in the future. If the Big 12 is raided again, and they lose Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, I could see the other 4 leagues breaking off for football only to form their own league. You might even see college football migrate to more of an NFL format if that were the case, where the 4 leagues each send 2 division champions to an 8 team playoff. First round is the conference championship game. Then you have semifinals and a championship. Not sure that's the format you'd see, but I see a day when the BCS leagues are broken off (probably by ESPN) to create their own super league for football.
If a lot of leagues start going to 9 game league schedules, you'll see very few good intersectional games scheduled, and not only that, but teams have more chances to have blemishes on their record. Those two factors make it even more imperative that a championship be played out on the field, including even some 2 loss teams, and the occasional 3 loss team.
ETA: I think we could see the day in the near future where the BCS leagues split off to form their own league. It's look like 5 leagues will survive, unless the Big 12 is raided again in the future. If the Big 12 is raided again, and they lose Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, I could see the other 4 leagues breaking off for football only to form their own league. You might even see college football migrate to more of an NFL format if that were the case, where the 4 leagues each send 2 division champions to an 8 team playoff. First round is the conference championship game. Then you have semifinals and a championship. Not sure that's the format you'd see, but I see a day when the BCS leagues are broken off (probably by ESPN) to create their own super league for football.
Ultimately, here's my problem: every year for the last 6 years at least, more than 2 teams have deserved to play for the National Title. Why not create a system for those teams to have a shot at the national title? I don't think any team in the top 10 this year is "mediocre." A team would still have to win plenty of games to get into the playoff.
Think about this: we have defined mediocrity for the past decade and I think it would be a complete long shot to ever think we could win the conference or do well enough to get into the playoff. We wouldn't have sniffed a playoff berth last year. Same for most any other team in any other conference. Georgia's 3 losses came to teams in the top 10, both of Arkansas' losses have, Stanford's lone loss came to a top 10 team. Oklahoma State had a single loss to a "mediocre" team, but I don't think that makes them "mediocre." I want to see a system where the best teams in the country have to prove themselves by winning games against other "best teams." Even if some mediocre conference champions get to play, I highly doubt they get past the first game... they would still have to travel to Bama or LSU and beat them at their place.
Think about this: we have defined mediocrity for the past decade and I think it would be a complete long shot to ever think we could win the conference or do well enough to get into the playoff. We wouldn't have sniffed a playoff berth last year. Same for most any other team in any other conference. Georgia's 3 losses came to teams in the top 10, both of Arkansas' losses have, Stanford's lone loss came to a top 10 team. Oklahoma State had a single loss to a "mediocre" team, but I don't think that makes them "mediocre." I want to see a system where the best teams in the country have to prove themselves by winning games against other "best teams." Even if some mediocre conference champions get to play, I highly doubt they get past the first game... they would still have to travel to Bama or LSU and beat them at their place.
You can't point to March Madness as a reason to put 16 teams in a football playoff...the number of regular season games is too different. Give me 6 teams in a playoff and I'm thrilled. How many times has anyone argued that the #7 team was screwed out of a shot at the NC?
you're not talking about a top level team by any means. And really, by the time you get to #10, you're looking at a team that has some obvious flaws. You can have it both ways with an 8-team playoff. You can give every legitimate team a shot at the title without watering down the playoffs. Even if all we could get is a 4-team playoff, which is a lot more realistic than an 8 or 16 team playoff, there'd be very little controversy over who the legitimate national champion is.
just saying I think that's the ideal scenario because it gives everyone a "chance" theoretically. Also, it makes seeding a lot more important, keeping the importance of the regular season in tact.
As an MSU fan following Stans, I'm sure you're intimately familiar with how every game still counts in basketball. Losing a few bad games can make the difference between a 4 seed and an 8 seed and makes a big difference in your ability to make a deep run in the tourney.
In this scenario for football, sure you could still get a ticket with 1 or 2 losses, but taking those losses could knock you from playing a Sun Belt or MAC team to playing an ACC or Big 12 team. That's a big difference, and it's motivation to keep winning. With football, there is much less of a chance of a significant upset than there is in basketball, so in effect you give first round byes to the top teams, while still being inclusive.
Another part of my suggestion is to have the first round games played at home sites of the higher seeded team.
And yes, Boise is still allowed to host if they get the higher seed, despite the fact that they don't have a huge stadium. Point being, it's just another level of motivation to make sure you get one of those Top 8 seeds and don't fall into the 9-16 range. You want to get to host your first game.
The biggest plus to me about having a 16 team playoff that does NOT include the Top 16 teams but only the top 5 at large teams plus conference champions, is that it makes it much less likely for a 3 or 4 loss team that's hanging around the Top 15 to get hot and win it all. Those teams don't even get invited. Instead, they're replaced by "champions" that have no chance to really affect the national title picture. However, you still leave plenty of room for teams like Alabama, Stanford, and Boise that were clearly very good teams that failed to win their conference title.
As an MSU fan following Stans, I'm sure you're intimately familiar with how every game still counts in basketball. Losing a few bad games can make the difference between a 4 seed and an 8 seed and makes a big difference in your ability to make a deep run in the tourney.
In this scenario for football, sure you could still get a ticket with 1 or 2 losses, but taking those losses could knock you from playing a Sun Belt or MAC team to playing an ACC or Big 12 team. That's a big difference, and it's motivation to keep winning. With football, there is much less of a chance of a significant upset than there is in basketball, so in effect you give first round byes to the top teams, while still being inclusive.
Another part of my suggestion is to have the first round games played at home sites of the higher seeded team.
And yes, Boise is still allowed to host if they get the higher seed, despite the fact that they don't have a huge stadium. Point being, it's just another level of motivation to make sure you get one of those Top 8 seeds and don't fall into the 9-16 range. You want to get to host your first game.
The biggest plus to me about having a 16 team playoff that does NOT include the Top 16 teams but only the top 5 at large teams plus conference champions, is that it makes it much less likely for a 3 or 4 loss team that's hanging around the Top 15 to get hot and win it all. Those teams don't even get invited. Instead, they're replaced by "champions" that have no chance to really affect the national title picture. However, you still leave plenty of room for teams like Alabama, Stanford, and Boise that were clearly very good teams that failed to win their conference title.
Absolutely right. The regular season still counts.RebelBruiser said:
By giving conference champions automatic berths, you maintain the importance of your conference games. And if you slip up in conference, you better win your non-conference games or you won't be good enough to get an at-large spot. Not to mention the importance of winning as it relates to improving your seed, even if you do win your conference.
I think a playoff of any more than 16 teams starts to dillute the regular season a bit. But with 16 teams, there are too few at-large spots to take the regular season lightly.
I like the 16 team playoff scenario. I am not sure if I would do with the conference titte winners getting bids or not, though. Maybe keep the BCS ranking system and have the top 12 get the automatic qualifications and then have 4 at large to get some smaller conference champions. That is the one gripe I have about the NCAA tourney in basketball. It lets teams in that serve no other purpose than to let a #1 seed have a slam dunk contest while other teams that could at least make a run in the NCAA's settle for the NIT.
I'd personally like to see a 16 team playoff because I think over time, that will help Division 1 overall because it gives the non-BCS schools some relevance. I know that isn't the best thing for the SEC, but I enjoy watching college basketball and baseball every year because you occasionally do have a team that comes out of the woodwork and wins it all (i.e. Butler making a run 2 years running in basketball, Fresno State in baseball a few years ago, etc.). I think that's awesome, but that seems to be where most people would disagree because of bias and loyalty to a conference... and quite frankly, I can't blame them at all.
But realistically, you are probably closer to being right than me with a 4 or 8 team playoff. I just don't see the NCAA doing much more than that.
But realistically, you are probably closer to being right than me with a 4 or 8 team playoff. I just don't see the NCAA doing much more than that.
I'd like to point out that in my playoff, a 10-2 South Carolina team with losses to Arkansas and Auburn is essentially the first team out, just missed the playoffs. Also, an 11-2 Virginia Tech team just missed an at large bid.
Baylor, Michigan, and Oklahoma are the others behind that that missed out. Any of those teams could point to 1 or 2 games in this scenario that would've made the difference to get them in a playoff. There are some solid football teams in that mix, though they're all flawed in some way. The worst at large team was Kansas State, with Boise State and Arkansas also lower seeded at large teams.
Those teams would be unlikely to win it all, but I wouldn't have a problem with them being invited to the party. In effect, you included all of the Top 8 in the playoff. Most years it would be the Top 8 or Top 10, and then the rest would be conference champions that were lower rated and unlikely to make a run.
Baylor, Michigan, and Oklahoma are the others behind that that missed out. Any of those teams could point to 1 or 2 games in this scenario that would've made the difference to get them in a playoff. There are some solid football teams in that mix, though they're all flawed in some way. The worst at large team was Kansas State, with Boise State and Arkansas also lower seeded at large teams.
Those teams would be unlikely to win it all, but I wouldn't have a problem with them being invited to the party. In effect, you included all of the Top 8 in the playoff. Most years it would be the Top 8 or Top 10, and then the rest would be conference champions that were lower rated and unlikely to make a run.
team could win it all, although as unlikely as it may seem COULD happen, I'd have no problem with it. They would have to go through the gauntlet to get there, but winning 4 games against the top SEC, ACC, and Big 10 teams would be enough to show me they deserved the trophy.
They're the 600 lb. gorrila in this room. Unless you can find a way to incoporate them into this scenario it isn't going to work. They have way too much money invested to give it up without a fight. Look at our present situation, we're 6-6 and going to a bowl game vs. another 6-6 team that pays 1.7 mil or so. Do you think we want to lose that? Look at the corporations and cities that sponsor these bowls, they're NOT going to just give them up without a fight, too much money involved. Money makes the big wheel of college football roll and bowl games are the grease, they aren't going away. Unless you can find a way to appease the 600 lb. gorilla this playoff system isn't going to work. Even if you do find a way to incorporate the existing bowl games into a playoff scenario they're are a lot of teams, us included, that will lose a lot of post season money and that's not going to go over very well either. It's ALL about the Benjamin's folks, and the folks who are presently making lots of them from bowl gamesaren't going to want to give them up.
a playoff format i read about somewhere and really liked.
6 teams, top 2 seeds get a bye BUT you must win your conference in order to be a top 2 seed. so this year, okie st would be the 2 seed and bama would be a 3 seed because okie st won the big 12.
a BCS type formula is used to choose the 4 at large teams. i guess there might be a rare occasion where the playoff wouldn't include the top 6 teams, but i can't think of one. it rewards the regular season and puts a priority on winning your conference. 1st round and semi-final games are played at the home teams stadium and the championship is played at a neutral site.
according to the final bcs standings it'd look like this:
oregon 5 @ stanford 4
arkansas 6 @ bama 3
okie st 2 and lsu 1 bye
winner oregon/stanford @ lsu
winner ark/bama @ okie st
if the voters were sure they'd be voting on spots that matter further down than #2, it wouldn't shock me if boise or wisconsin or k st ended up ranked 6th instead of arkansas to add some conference variety, but you get the jist of the idea. you could even cap the # of teams per conference at 2 UNLESS there was a 3 way tie at the top . so because ark already lost to lsu AND bama, they'd be bumped for boise, but a few years ago when tx tech, texas, and oklahoma all had 1 loss and lost to each other, all 3 would be eligible.
6 teams, top 2 seeds get a bye BUT you must win your conference in order to be a top 2 seed. so this year, okie st would be the 2 seed and bama would be a 3 seed because okie st won the big 12.
a BCS type formula is used to choose the 4 at large teams. i guess there might be a rare occasion where the playoff wouldn't include the top 6 teams, but i can't think of one. it rewards the regular season and puts a priority on winning your conference. 1st round and semi-final games are played at the home teams stadium and the championship is played at a neutral site.
according to the final bcs standings it'd look like this:
oregon 5 @ stanford 4
arkansas 6 @ bama 3
okie st 2 and lsu 1 bye
winner oregon/stanford @ lsu
winner ark/bama @ okie st
if the voters were sure they'd be voting on spots that matter further down than #2, it wouldn't shock me if boise or wisconsin or k st ended up ranked 6th instead of arkansas to add some conference variety, but you get the jist of the idea. you could even cap the # of teams per conference at 2 UNLESS there was a 3 way tie at the top . so because ark already lost to lsu AND bama, they'd be bumped for boise, but a few years ago when tx tech, texas, and oklahoma all had 1 loss and lost to each other, all 3 would be eligible.
i don't think there is any problem with playing the current bowls and having a 4-8 team playoff. obviously the current BCS bowls and the cotton might be able to get involved rotating finals and maybe semi-finals, and otherwise could choose the teams they desire during non-tied in seasons. but who is gonna watch the music city bowl this year? msu fans and wake fans and CFB junkies/gamblers/channel surfers. i fail to see any way, shape, or form how the presence of a playoff affects fan interest in the music city bowl. you can say that about almost any bowl. <div>maroonmadman said:
</div><div>not to mention, if a couple of low end bowls happened to go under, i don't think anyone would notice that the fight hunger bowl wasn't being played.</div>
The funny thing with that scenario (and I admit that it's strange this year) is that it's possible that 4 out of the 6 games would be rematches that were already played this year. I'm not sure how compelling or fair that would be. You're essentially saying that the win in the regular season didn't matter much.<div>
</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">oregon 5 @ stanford 4 (rematch #1)</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">arkansas 6 @ bama 3 (rematch #2)</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">okie st 2 and lsu 1 bye</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">winner oregon/stanford @ lsu (possible rematch of oregon/lsu #3)</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">winner ark/bama @ okie st</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">NC (possible rematch of ark/al and lsu #4)</span></div>
</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">oregon 5 @ stanford 4 (rematch #1)</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">arkansas 6 @ bama 3 (rematch #2)</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">okie st 2 and lsu 1 bye</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; "><br style="min-width: 0px; "></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">winner oregon/stanford @ lsu (possible rematch of oregon/lsu #3)</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">winner ark/bama @ okie st</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">NC (possible rematch of ark/al and lsu #4)</span></div>
if the bcs wasn't giving us a remath that happened barely a month ago, i might be worried about rematches, but as is i'm not. i'm also not worried about a 2 loss national champion (lsu '07). i don't think most years would play out where 2 top 6 teams played a ooc game (oregon-lsu) and 3 of the top 6 would be from the same conference (though i did put anaddendumin regarding the lsu-bama-ark scenario). at the very least, oregon would have to earn a rematch with lsu, and bama/ark would have to earn their was to the final to get a rematch with lsu. more importantly, i'd actually care about 5 post season games besides msu's instead of just 1.
I'm sure you could find a way to incorporate most of the major bowls into a playoff scenario.
The other bowls can still exist as exhibitions for the teams that didn't make the playoff.
That's all they are today, exhibition games with a trophy. They're ALL meaningless, except for one of them. I have yet to see a playoff opponent give a valid reason why bowls couldn't exist in conjunction with a playoff scenario.
They already exist in conjunction with a 2 team playoff. Why can't they exist with a 4, 8, or 16 team playoff?
The funny thing in all of this is that bowls used to mean a lot more. There would often be 3 or 4 games every January 1 that could impact the national title. Now there is only one, every year. Unless my team is playing in a bowl game, I generally only watch with a passing interest. The players care, sure, but they're just exhibition games.
The other bowls can still exist as exhibitions for the teams that didn't make the playoff.
That's all they are today, exhibition games with a trophy. They're ALL meaningless, except for one of them. I have yet to see a playoff opponent give a valid reason why bowls couldn't exist in conjunction with a playoff scenario.
They already exist in conjunction with a 2 team playoff. Why can't they exist with a 4, 8, or 16 team playoff?
The funny thing in all of this is that bowls used to mean a lot more. There would often be 3 or 4 games every January 1 that could impact the national title. Now there is only one, every year. Unless my team is playing in a bowl game, I generally only watch with a passing interest. The players care, sure, but they're just exhibition games.
the top 8 in BCS get a bye. The next 16 play for 8 spots. Then it's 16 left. Eliminate 1-2 reg season games. Means 1 extra game for the National Champ n runner up if they play in their conference championship game or 2 extra if they have to play in the first round.
Start two weaks after the confernce championship games and have an off weekend between each of the following games. Season still ends about the same time, and you give players time to rest/ heal between games. I think playing anymore than 16 games max, with a good deal of rest towards the end,and there will be a lot of injuries. I'm no doctor, but I don't think college kids could hold up playing a schedule similar to the NFL