I just really feel like Mac will stay with UK. Believe he is really a young man who keeps his word. By his best friend getting a Uk offer and dropping the Canes, this , to me, makes his commitment even more secure. Might be wrong on him, but I believe i am right on this one. If UK completely flops in 2016, then no one could blame him if he goes someplace else. we won't flop in 2016. look at the 2015 draft. 2nd pick QB. He can be a super star at UK & I believe he will. Go cats
Mac Jones Flipping to A&M?
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The reason I say 6 is because it will be very difficult for us to improve any at all without winning 6. I know the schedule is harder but 6 wins is still very manageable. If our offense is even half way respectable then 6 wins will be almost automatic. Barker doesn't necessarily need to have a break out year but he at least needs to look well coached. We can't continue to have comments about our QBs and their poor technique and expect Jones to want to play here. We can blame the last 3 years on Brown and Dawson but that has to stop now.
Personally, I think he's pretty secure for us. Key thing is that he had the chance to bolt when his recruiter Dawson was let go & he didn't. Says to me there's something beyond what we can see. I say it's Stoops (They're married you know.) plus that the Gran/Hinshaw combo is no slouch & is new & exciting. Net, we'd really have to flop for him to leave. I don't see that happening if 6/7, even 5, wins isn't flopping.
Jones I am confident about. Hudson not as much so. 6 win would help with both.
I agree TB, we can't have a QB that hurts our momentum. He can just be a game manager and anything else positive would be icing on the cake.
The trouble with taking early commitments is that it allows time for and causes people to continually starting flipping threads.
People are going to have to get used to that. It's the hazard that comes with getting recruits that are worth being flipped. We never lost recruits under Joker because nobody else wanted them. That didn't work out.
We already have not just a four star but a 5.9 four star as our starter, a good change of pace (a four star, JC, on some sites) QB as a backup, and I really liked our true freshman in the Spring game.
Jones wasn't nearly this big a get when we got him, I think he is still a 5.8 (but projected to rocket up), I think we have some very good SEC caliber QBs now AND the talent on offense (blocking) to let them really shine. I'm not sure what more Jones could want if he wants to be part of a program on the rise like he said at one point. We do need to show it on the field this year though.
Jones wasn't nearly this big a get when we got him, I think he is still a 5.8 (but projected to rocket up), I think we have some very good SEC caliber QBs now AND the talent on offense (blocking) to let them really shine. I'm not sure what more Jones could want if he wants to be part of a program on the rise like he said at one point. We do need to show it on the field this year though.
LOL! Why in the world would Mac Jones want to play for Texas A&M? I see a lot of nutty stuff posted on this board, but that's 1 of the craziest things I have seen.
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Great post TB Cat.
If we can't show recruits that Stoops and company are coaching up, improving players, the recruiting train will come to a complete stop.
Having our offense put up good numbers and look fun to play in will ultimately help sway Jones to stay committed. I feel like QB's tend to stay committed more often than not. He could have easily decommitted after Dawson left but he stuck with us. No reason to think he won't continue to do so.
Cats need a bowl game this year though. Another 5-7 record could really hurt us in recruiting. I don't even wanna think about what this board looks like with another 5 win season. Need 6...hoping for 7 or 8. All comes down to oline and dline. If both of those are serviceable I believe we go bowling.
Cats need a bowl game this year though. Another 5-7 record could really hurt us in recruiting. I don't even wanna think about what this board looks like with another 5 win season. Need 6...hoping for 7 or 8. All comes down to oline and dline. If both of those are serviceable I believe we go bowling.
Much of what you said is demonstrably untrue. Stoops has never won more than 5 games in a season. Despite that, his 2016 recruiting class was excellent. Despite Hudson's de-commitment, Stoops is recruiting the lights out in 2017 with commitments from top players like Jones, Richardson, Ajian, Warren, Koback. Then you say Kentucky needs to win 6 games but Barker doesn't need a breakout year. But I have news for you. No breakout year by Barker, no winning season. To win SEC games, Barker will have to play great. If you don't think so, watch and see. If you are saying Kentucky must win 6 to hang onto Jones, there is no reason to believe that is right either. Jones committed to Kentucky in July, 2015, following a 5-7 season in which Kentucky lost 5 of our last 6 games. He stayed committed through our 2015 season, through the firing of Dawson and hiring of Gran, and recently affirmed publicly that his Kentucky commitment remains solid. If Jones wants to play for a ranked team, he can pick almost any of them. But he says he wants to play for us, and he didn't condition it on our 2016 record. At some point, you will have to give Stoops fair credit for being a superior recruiter.
Let's be sure everyone understands your opinion here. As you stated, you believe that Mac Jones will sign with Kentucky if we win 6 games this year. But if we only win 5 games, you believe he will sign somewhere else. LOL! So, basically, you believe a kid with more than 25 scholarship offers is going to make his college decision and set up his college education based on whether Kentucky goes 6-6 or 5-7 in 2016. None of the other qualities that have attracted Jones to Kentucky in the 1st place will matter. It just comes down to 1 win. I suspect Jones is a little smarter than you think he is.
It is really hard to say that any particular kid is going to live or die by one more win. However, as a rule I think the number of wins this year could have a huge impact on several recruits who like what they see at UK but are a little nervous about where we are headed. That said, I would predict 4 or less wins and we lose most of our better recruits, 5 wins and we probably lose a few, 6 wins and we keep most or all of them and 7 or more wins we keep them all and maybe flip a few more. Margin of loss could also be an important factor. The program has been looking better each year that Stoops has been here but at this point, if we don't show some tangible results, the promises and good will are going to lose some of their lure.
I totally agree. I never could understand how so many people think that 6 wins is going to change recruiting here at UK. I am glad you posted your comments in such a way as to show how ridiculous that sounds to rational people.
The trouble with message boards is that douchebags like to be the judge-all of what is an acceptable thread
Rivals had reports that this could happen. It's not like it was made up. Quit being a little girl
Ultimately I think Mac is going to be watching UK games very carefully this fall to see how Gran and Stoops work together, to get a sense of how the offense in general works and more importantly how the QBs are being utilized. If he is satisfied with how things are going, we should have nothing to worry about. OTOH, if we have another late-season collapse like the last two years, he'll have a bunch of people whispering in his ear to get him to reconsider his commitment to UK. That's something none of us on this board have any control over, so let's sit tight and let the season unfold. If Mac were to flip this early, then he wasn't that committed to begin with.
Are you an HOB subscriber? If so Rowland has an update on Hudson's buddy and teammate Warren as well.
If Barker holds the ball in the pocket too long and gets beat up game after game or possibly hurt where he misses games, Jones will take serious notice. He and his family want him to survive his college football experience.
First, you say that recruits don't live or die over 1 win. Then you describe a sliding scale, 4 wins, 5 wins, 6 wins, 7 wins, that you believe will determine who stays and who flips. You do understand that you are contradicting yourself, don't you? I assume you don't actually believe a player picks his school by whether they win 5 games or 6 games, which would be nuts. I don't think Nick Saban signs players because of the number of games Alabama wins. Instead, I think Alabama wins a lot of games because Nick Saban is the best recruiter and teacher of the game in the business. And I don't think players sign with Stoops because of Kentucky's record the previous year. I think players sign with Stoops because they believe he is building a successful program in which they will thrive, on a campus where they feel comfortable and welcome. Kentucky's last 3 recruiting classes have followed losing seasons, but have been strong classes despite Kentucky's record. Stoops' 2016 class was probably Kentucky's best since the 1970s, and Stoops' 2017 class might be even better. The 2016 class followed a losing season. These players are coming to Kentucky because they want to attend our school and play for Stoops. Matt Elam, Landon Young, Drake Jackson, Kendall Randolph, and Tate Leavitt picked Kentucky over Alabama. Denzel Ware, Marcus Walker and Jared Tucker picked Kentucky over Florida. Boom Williams, Chris Westry, and Jordan Griffin picked Kentucky over Auburn. Darius West picked Kentucky over Notre Dame. All these players and a number of others have picked Kentucky over better known football programs because they want to play for Stoops, not because of the previous year's record. Mac Jones and JaVonte Richardson have committed to Kentucky because they want to play for Stoops. These were all decisions by good players with multiple options to choose Kentucky over other teams with winning records. These players are not so shallow as to pick a college based on outcomes of 1 or 2 football games the year before they get here. It's time to give Stoops and Marrow some credit.
It makes sense that Mac Jones will be watching Eddie Gran's offensive system to assess how he will fit. When Shannon Dawson was fired, it was widely known that Jones wanted to talk with Gran and Hinshaw to understand exactly how he will be used at Kentucky. Following those discussions, Jones made public statements indicating that he is pleased with Gran's system, and that his commitment to Kentucky is firm. He visited Kentucky during spring practice. He said he is through making visits. Jones himself has said that he is a pocket passer, and not a read option quarterback. This seems ideal for Gran's pro style offense. At Kentucky, Jones will play behind an offensive line featuring Drake Jackson, GAA, and Landon Young. He will be the man, and he will have a full roster of solid wide receivers and running backs. So I can see why his commitment to Kentucky is solid.
"Breakout year" is pretty vague. He clearly has to improve over his showings late last year, but I don't think he has to be a star. Being a middle of the pack SEC QB, not great, ought to to be sufficient to enable us to win 3-4 SEC games provided everyone else either improves on last year's performance or comes in and does a decent job. We had the talent to win 7 games last year & we're now more talented.
You must be ecstatic over the last couple of days' events then.
I've seen several reports on MJ flipping, but not by Rivals. Thanks for the added data.
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It sounds vague because I can't predict the future as precisely as some people here. But consider the circumstances. After the 2016 season, 9 seniors will graduate. Blaylock, Harmon, Kemp, McClain, McWilson, Miggins, Myers, Timmons, Toth. At this point, it looks like 2, 3, or maybe 4 of them will be 2016 starters. That means Kentucky will return 18-20 incumbent starters in 2017. It is very rare for a college football team to return that many starters, In addition, Eddie Gran and Darrin Hinshaw will have been at Kentucky for a full year, and Drew Barker will have a full year under his belt as Kentucky's starting quarterback. Although Kentucky's defensive front 7 must be rebuilt from part time starters, younger players, and new transfers in 2016, it will be a veteran group by 2017. So everything is lining up for Kentucky to win at least 7-8 games and go to a bowl in 2017. It could be better than that, but the important thing is to take solid forward steps. Let me put it this way. I am not excited about Kentucky's 2016 team. I am glad Gran is here, and I'm sure our team will play hard. But I am still concerned about our 2 lines, especially the defensive line. Our 2016 schedule is tougher than people think, and I see another rebuilding year. But if Stoops can't win 7-8 games in 2017 with almost his entire team returning, then there will be storm clouds on the horizon. I like our 2017 team and I think they will have a really solid season with a quality bowl. With a few breaks, it could be historic.
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That was a well written response. The only problem is that it is factually incorrect. Take a deep breath and then go back and read what I wrote. I absolutely did not contradict myself. Focus on the part where I said "any particular recruit". That means that none of us can say what a single recruit, in this case, Mac Jones will do based on our record. Then I said as a rule, the recruits who are still on the fence could easily be swayed by our record. You are correct when you say that recruits have been signing with UK based on what they thought Stoops could do with the program. They have. Then, I was correct when I said that the time has come that recruits need to see some results. Stoops could sell them on his plan for the future when he didn't have much of a track record. He sold it real well. However, he has had two 5 win seasons in a row. If he doesn't improve on that this year, it is going to be really hard to sell recruits on a plan for improvement when the cold hard evidence tells them that we not improving at all. I also said that the margin of victory could play a part. I thought that was self-explanatory but let me spell it out for you. We could lose 7 but if two of those were to Bama and UT in overtime and all the other losses were close, Stoops could still make an argument that we are on an upward trajectory. Still, the bottom line is that wins help recruiting and losses hurt recruiting.
You are entitled to your opinion but so is everybody else. And remember it is just your opinion and because people have different opinions doesn't make them wrong.
The law wasn't meant for dirty old men.
Seriously though, i could see it being used by them. About as big a can of worms as the COA the way the NCAA screwed it up.
IMO the only way we lose Jones is if the season implodes which I don't expect to happen.
Texas AM just got a commitment from Texas QB Conner Blumrick so there's that too
This guy actually committed to Texas A/M
Texas AM just got a commitment from Texas QB Conner Blumrick so there's that too
This guy actually committed to Texas A/M
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Then why even use a term when you don't know what it means? No idea why you went off into 2017 when you talking about Barker's 2016 performance. Whatever.
Some people are so high on themselves and think everything they spout is gospel. If you want to read any post by someone that calls themselves (spectacle) is someone I would take their post with speculation.They are only spouting their opinion and want people to believe they are "in the Know and very connected". I have a very low opinion of anything they post. Anyone that looks like they are 40 years old and is only 5ft tall I guess is a spectacle. But take their posts with a grain of salt. That is my opinion on the situation.