Mag????
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I think they are being cautious and letting him come at his own pace by getting adjusted in practices first and not rushing him in games. I don’t know anything though inside and this is purely my own thought, lol. Pikiell gets paid the big bucks. He is going to have some fun with these rotations, lol. Especially with Mag back. I think this team accepts they have a bunch of different and valuable pieces though and it won’t be a big problem. Similar to the Knicks and Julius Randle, Mag is coming back from a major injury. It’s going to take time.
There's nothing wrong with Mag, it was just a few posters who went way beyond reality and stated Mag would or could be back by the season opener. Since that bad information got started by some posters, it spread like wildfire and goes against every logical and proven timeline for a player with that injury.
It's already a minor miracle that he's practicing 8 months post surgery, but practicing and workouts, are not trusting that when you get into live action, that your instincts and comfort level would be there. That could take weeks if not months to have the athlete feel that level of confidence.
Even if he played next Monday vs St Peters, I would imagine it would be a minimum of 4 to 6 weeks of games, before he's remotely close to where he left off last year. And the teeth of the RU schedule is January and February, not mid November. Once he's back, he needs to be able to play 12 to 14 minutes a game and get comfortable. Expecting anything more than that for his 1st handful of games isn't realistic.
Once February rolls around, if he's able to go from 12 or 14 minutes to 18 or 20 minutes, consider that a win. I think those valuable minutes will impact winning, as long as we don't expect him to do too much.
It's already a minor miracle that he's practicing 8 months post surgery, but practicing and workouts, are not trusting that when you get into live action, that your instincts and comfort level would be there. That could take weeks if not months to have the athlete feel that level of confidence.
Even if he played next Monday vs St Peters, I would imagine it would be a minimum of 4 to 6 weeks of games, before he's remotely close to where he left off last year. And the teeth of the RU schedule is January and February, not mid November. Once he's back, he needs to be able to play 12 to 14 minutes a game and get comfortable. Expecting anything more than that for his 1st handful of games isn't realistic.
Once February rolls around, if he's able to go from 12 or 14 minutes to 18 or 20 minutes, consider that a win. I think those valuable minutes will impact winning, as long as we don't expect him to do too much.
lol, do you have inside information? If not, you have no idea if anything is wrong or not.
I have no information but watching him in warm ups I would 100% agree with Hawk and say he is 100% fine!! First thing that tells you is he is not even wearing a brace which most people athletes who have this surgery almost always do when they come back do and watching him jumping around during warmup makes me believe he is fine and I have NO inside information but I believe he will see some time against St Peter’s another 9 days is big and that basically puts him at 9 months post surgery which is what most have said
You keep saying this….why would Pike throw him under the bus at Princeton press conference and say he was cleared to play and (HE not THEY) thought he wasn’t ready
No matter when he returns the real issue is how long (if ever) does it take him to return to his prior performance level. There are always exceptions to the rule but there are a number of studies out there that indicate players do not (if ever) return to their prior performance level until the second season after returning from an ACL. Here's hoping Mag is an exception.
Continued absence? We're lucky he'll be back this season at all. He tore his ACL 9 months ago which is a VERY quick turnaround for that injury. He'll be back soon
All the cutting and fast motion and pressure on the knee seems pretty intense. You think it’s fully healed this fast? How do they test that? Do they make you run and do multiple fast stops and starts and cuts and ask you how you feel or so some type of scans?
Well thats a pretty clear indication he’s close and based upon fact. He’s warming up without a brace.
This is a straight up lie. Tons of athletes return to competition 9ish months after the injury. He was literally cleared for contact weeks before the season started. The Alabama player from NJ tore his acl in the ncaa tournament and was back for game 1. Zakai Zeigler tore his acl after mawot and is playing again. Aron Cruikshank did it last year. Joe burrow, Adrian Peterson, the list goes on. With that said, I fully understand why they are being patient. There’s no harm with him easing his way back in.
I think there are plenty that return but very few to the prior form in that timeframe. I think that’s what hawk is saying. Personally, I agree with him. I had 2 ACL sergeries and I was not myself until about 11 to 12 months in.
The season started with 5 lower-quadrant opponents where Pike was going to be mixing in lower-rotation guys anyway, followed by a 9 day gap.... there was no reason at all to push Mag to return for that stretch, and this long pause gives him more time to get confident in the knee.
Hopes got raised by a few posters that said he'd be a go for Game 1, which accelerated expectations for some, but Brandin Knight even swatted that thought down on Twitter.
Truth is, we haven't needed him so far. It's letting lower-rotation guys get valuable minutes and it's giving Mag more time to build up strength/confidence in the leg. Don't see a downside in waiting here other than some hand-wringing by some nervous nellies.
Hopes got raised by a few posters that said he'd be a go for Game 1, which accelerated expectations for some, but Brandin Knight even swatted that thought down on Twitter.
Truth is, we haven't needed him so far. It's letting lower-rotation guys get valuable minutes and it's giving Mag more time to build up strength/confidence in the leg. Don't see a downside in waiting here other than some hand-wringing by some nervous nellies.
There are always outliers and hopefully Mag is one of them but don't use Joe Burrow as an example. A QB does not put anywhere near the stress on his knee as does a bball player especially the way Mag plays. Additionally, Burrow wore a brace on his knee for the entire 2021 season.
Agreed 100% and again the fact that he is warming up without a brace just means they are being super cautious which is fine when he comes back he will take Oskar minutes eventuality
no...he sounded almost frustrated. I got greg echenique flashback with the press conference with FHJ
I think we see him for a few minutes next Monday vs the Peacocks. he will get some minutes to get into the game speed again but be very limited in general for how he is used. I am sure his mind will want to do everything he has done in the past but his body isnt ready for that yet so better to get him some time to adjust. DO that right before our first B1G game and a huge 3 game stretch that defines our OOC
Lol the irony. The bad information was coming from you. You were saying he wouldn't be fully back til January or February and only playing a few minutes. You even said he should redshirt!
The reality is he will most likely be back in November. Certainly December. 9 days off until next game which seems to be a likely candidate for Mag to make his season debut
I hope you’re right . Those posts you made immediately after the injury were board classics saying you had seen many injuries like that, are at dentist, and it wasn’t an ACL injury!
He tore his ACL in February. Have any of you played a sport besides Pickle Ball? That is remarkable to be back within a year
Pickle Ball probably has a higher rate of serious injury than basketball. I am guessing it probably has more to do about who plays it.
When was this press conference? I don’t remember him sounding frustrated by Mag.
There is also a mental aspect to fully recovering from an ACL injury. The athlete needs to trust his knee again and sometimes that takes a little more time even when physically he’s fully recovered.
I think Mag is back vs St Peters for some cameo minutes to simply get back in game flow and then there ll be a gradual build up of minutes etc
Connect the dots :
- At Howard game , he was fully dressed ( not in sweats) albeit at end of bench knowing he was not going to play
- I chatted with him after the Bryant game and he said he ll be back very soon
- Pike at the Court Club meeting several weeks ago said Mag was ready but just needs a million medical clearances
Besides Cliff, he’s the glue to the team.
Let’s hope he’s back real soon and regains his old self when conference play starts in earnest come January
Connect the dots :
- At Howard game , he was fully dressed ( not in sweats) albeit at end of bench knowing he was not going to play
- I chatted with him after the Bryant game and he said he ll be back very soon
- Pike at the Court Club meeting several weeks ago said Mag was ready but just needs a million medical clearances
Besides Cliff, he’s the glue to the team.
Let’s hope he’s back real soon and regains his old self when conference play starts in earnest come January
Hawk you’ve told us countless times how you didn’t think the loss of a healthy Mag had any impact on our season last year.
Curious why you think his minutes are suddenly valuable this year and will impact winning.
What changed?!??
Probably the usual exaggeration when pushing back against exaggeration on the other side.
"No impact" was closer to correct that the 10+ ppg impact that people were saying last year. Mag at full strength will make us better. Not 10+ ppg better.
(A 10ppg increase would move us from our current #62 ranking in Kenpom to #7).
Not sure why Mag’s impact would be solely correlated to just PPG.
Last year right when he got injured he was coming into form and was probably playing as our best all around player and doing a lot more than just scoring.
His defense was arguably better than McConnell’s.
Mag is basically a bigger, stronger, more mature version of JMike. The guy is a jitterbug on the defensive end with marginal offensive impact. It makes sense to bring him along at a comfortable pace because he will need to get after it with explosive lateral movement in order to impact the game the way we need him to.
With Mag as the tip of the spear on D, our opponents had a tough time getting into their offense. It really was something to see. Hard to measure the full impact of that.
Yeah the injuries in pickle ball to the elderly has become a 3 billion dollar industry lol
If you put Mag on the press with those 3 guards(of course whichever) two are in the game we should have a crzy good press as we have not really been trapping yet on the press it has just been the two guards playing very tight defense
PPG here refers to net PPG, i.e. total offensive and defensive impact.