MAGA's Let's Chat

[tigres88]

@TigerGrowls @fatpiggy @Allornothing @TigerRagRob and even (@scotchtiger, while not a MAGA, still adjacent). Let's have a chat. I honestly am curious about a few things, and the timeline of what I've experienced both from my algorithms but also from this forum:

- The Epstein Files were something MAGA was passionate about releasing for years as it exposed a deep state pedophilia ring that was prominent with elites for decade(s).
- The release of the Epstein Files was something Kash Patel (now the director of the FBI), Dan Bongino(now deputy directory of the FBI), and multiple other MAGA influencers and representatives advocated for, for years.
- The Epstein Files became in possession of the Trump Administration once he came into office in January of 2025, and Attorney General Pam Bondi said she had them on her desk.
- By late June/early July 2025, the outcry for the files (including from the MAGA crowd in this forum and elsewhere) hit a fever pitch.
- The director of the FBI Kash Patel went on a few different outlets and said there was no list, despite Attorney General Bondi saying she had it on her desk a few months previously.
- President Trump began to start a social media campaign about people being obsessed with Epstein, defending Bondi, and calling people who wanted the files to be released "stupid."
- President Trump then began saying (which had literally NEVER been uttered in the public sphere and on social media) that the Epstein Files were doctored/authored by former president Barack Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and former President Joe Biden.
- Many MAGA's begin to call for Bondi's head/wanting her to be fired and for the files to be released in their totality as that is what Q/MAGA/the Trump campaign ran on.
- After much vitriol and public backlash, Attorney General Pam Bondi then begins to unearth new unclassified documents and information about a "coup" that former President Barack Obama launched against Trump's election in 2016 citing his lies about Russian collusion.
- MAGA proceeds to ignore the Epstein files, essentially calling it a nothing burger, while now doubling down on an alleged coup the Democratic Party launched against Trump with this new information.

Below is Bondi's most recent statement about Obama and the coup, and also Trump's statement in 2018 about the same subject.



Link that won't embed for some reason from Trump talking about Russian interference in the 2016 election

There are too many public statements about the Epstein Files from the past decade to even post, so my question is, and the reason for this post is to genuinely hear your thoughts, as I don't want to be in an echo chamber:

- Do you think the Epstein Files were doctored by the Democrats to cover themselves and only falsely indict President Trump?
- Do you think the Democrats/Biden didn't release them because they were hiding indicting themselves?
-Why do you think Bondi decided to finally release this new evidence against Barack Obama at this time?
- Why do you think the Trump Administration has decided to not release the Epstein files immediately?
- Why did Trump say in 2018 that Russia did interfere with the 2016 election (in the above link?)
- Do you think Obama/Hillary and the Democrats colluded ILLEGALLY (with whatever evidence) to try and keep Trump from being elected in 2016?
- Do you think President Trump (not president at the time) visited Epstein Island and did inappropriate acts with minors/others?
- Do you think it matters if President Trump (not president at the time) visited Epstein Island at all?
- Do you think its suspect "at all" that Bondi decided to release this new information about the Russian Collusion now at this specific moment?

I'm genuinely curious, and while some of these questions might come across as biased, I would love to know your personal answers. If you want to post twitter links, you can, but as we know at this point they're always debated. You also don't have to answer and this whole post can just fall by the wayside, but I am genuinely curious your viewpoints on all the above as I don't want to be in my own echo chamber.

TL;DR: I have a specific timeline I've seen/been told of recent events, and I'd like to see the viewpoints of those in the MAGA crowd in this forum as a rebuttal/answer.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

@TigerGrowls @fatpiggy @Allornothing @TigerRagRob and even (@scotchtiger, while not a MAGA, still adjacent). Let's have a chat. I honestly am curious about a few things, and the timeline of what I've experienced both from my algorithms but also from this forum:

- The Epstein Files were something MAGA was passionate about releasing for years as it exposed a deep state pedophilia ring that was prominent with elites for decade(s).
- The release of the Epstein Files was something Kash Patel (now the director of the FBI), Dan Bongino(now deputy directory of the FBI), and multiple other MAGA influencers and representatives advocated for, for years.
- The Epstein Files became in possession of the Trump Administration once he came into office in January of 2025, and Attorney General Pam Bondi said she had them on her desk.
- By late June/early July 2025, the outcry for the files (including from the MAGA crowd in this forum and elsewhere) hit a fever pitch.
- The director of the FBI Kash Patel went on a few different outlets and said there was no list, despite Attorney General Bondi saying she had it on her desk a few months previously.
- President Trump began to start a social media campaign about people being obsessed with Epstein, defending Bondi, and calling people who wanted the files to be released "stupid."
- President Trump then began saying (which had literally NEVER been uttered in the public sphere and on social media) that the Epstein Files were doctored/authored by former president Barack Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and former President Joe Biden.
- Many MAGA's begin to call for Bondi's head/wanting her to be fired and for the files to be released in their totality as that is what Q/MAGA/the Trump campaign ran on.
- After much vitriol and public backlash, Attorney General Pam Bondi then begins to unearth new unclassified documents and information about a "coup" that former President Barack Obama launched against Trump's election in 2016 citing his lies about Russian collusion.
- MAGA proceeds to ignore the Epstein files, essentially calling it a nothing burger, while now doubling down on an alleged coup the Democratic Party launched against Trump with this new information.

Below is Bondi's most recent statement about Obama and the coup, and also Trump's statement in 2018 about the same subject.



Link that won't embed for some reason from Trump talking about Russian interference in the 2016 election

There are too many public statements about the Epstein Files from the past decade to even post, so my question is, and the reason for this post is to genuinely hear your thoughts, as I don't want to be in an echo chamber:

- Do you think the Epstein Files were doctored by the Democrats to cover themselves and only falsely indict President Trump?
- Do you think the Democrats/Biden didn't release them because they were hiding indicting themselves?
-Why do you think Bondi decided to finally release this new evidence against Barack Obama at this time?
- Why do you think the Trump Administration has decided to not release the Epstein files immediately?
- Why did Trump say in 2018 that Russia did interfere with the 2016 election (in the above link?)
- Do you think Obama/Hillary and the Democrats colluded ILLEGALLY (with whatever evidence) to try and keep Trump from being elected in 2016?
- Do you think President Trump (not president at the time) visited Epstein Island and did inappropriate acts with minors/others?
- Do you think it matters if President Trump (not president at the time) visited Epstein Island at all?
- Do you think its suspect "at all" that Bondi decided to release this new information about the Russian Collusion now at this specific moment?

I'm genuinely curious, and while some of these questions might come across as biased, I would love to know your personal answers. If you want to post twitter links, you can, but as we know at this point they're always debated. You also don't have to answer and this whole post can just fall by the wayside, but I am genuinely curious your viewpoints on all the above as I don't want to be in my own echo chamber.

TL;DR: I have a specific timeline I've seen/been told of recent events, and I'd like to see the viewpoints of those in the MAGA crowd in this forum as a rebuttal/answer.

I am a solid Trump supporter on his ideology American first policy being Christian Conservative white skinned Southern Clemson gun toting fishing rod lover every day guy that works at having values who backs down from no one in defending those values but do try as best as possible to be fair civil truthful and follow values of equal opportunity for all, meritocracy and will not support DEI under any circumstances but want people to earn their way to success

Not jealous one bit of billionaires who have made America wealthier and better through innovation

OK with that preface under all normal circumstances the Epstein files should have been released

This Epstein files have been around like 30 plus years and I think Epstein was a CIA MOSSAD MI6 agent who would use sex to compromise many politicians and business people and the use that leverage to control them as people for example in the US government wanted

Also these records have been around for decades through 2 Democratic Presidents and like 35 years with many deep state actors who hate Trump and to answer that thought if ANY TRUMP SINS WERE IN THE EPSTEIN FILES THEY WOULD BE FRONT PAGE NOW

THAT IS CREDIBLE EPSTEIN DATA

LIKE THE RUSSIAN OBAMA HOAX STUFF CAN BE MANIPULATED

BUT MY ANSWER AND I BELIEVE IT WITHOUT QUALMS IS NO TRUMP SINS ARE IN THE EPSTEIN FILES

BO TRUMP HAS BILLIONS AND BEAUTIFUL CHICKS HAVE BEEN FALLING ALL OVER HIM FOR YEARS HE DOES NOT NEED EPSTEIN FOR BOOTY CALLS AND FRESH POONTANG

So release all the files except anything compromising national security which I think there is nothing unless they have somehow put bombs in condoms for terrorists

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

To follow this up Trump is in favor of releasing all information and questioning the lady in jail

Does not sound like he is worried

 

[yoshi121374]

To follow this up Trump is in favor of releasing all information and questioning the lady in jail

Does not sound like he is worried

He is only releasing stuff he can control and vet as evidence by his statement that he asked Bondi release all "pertinent" information

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

He is only releasing stuff he can control and vet as evidence by his statement that he asked Bondi release all "pertinent" information

Explain the following

Obama, Comey, Brennan , the deep state and everybody liberal left and Democrat have had control of the Epstein documents along with Epstein in jail and under their custody for many years.

Do these Trump TDS people with 100% access to ALL THE EPSTEIN records could not use them to hurt Trump

Please Genius figure it out

If there was anything to hurt Trump it would have been used during the last election cycle to beat Trump

Use common sense and let it go

The reality you need to accept is there is nothing to see and move on

To clearly make my point I am 100% in favor of releasing any and all Epstein related documents.

No redactions and any and all names.

Let the chips fall where they may.

That clear enough.

 

[yoshi121374]

Explain the following

Obama, Comey, Brennan , the deep state and everybody liberal left and Democrat have had control of the Epstein documents along with Epstein in jail and under their custody for many years.

Do these Trump TDS people with 100% access to ALL THE EPSTEIN records could not use them to hurt Trump

Please Genius figure it out

If there was anything to hurt Trump it would have been used during the last election cycle to beat Trump

Use common sense and let it go

The reality uou need to accept is there is nothing to see and move on

To clearly make my point I am 100% in favor of releasing any and all Epstein related documents.

That clear enough.

So you can't explain it?

Remind me which group has been screaming for years that they were gonna release the files? Who made big binders that they gave away to influencers at the White House?

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

So you can't explain it?

Remind me which group has been screaming for years that they were gonna release the files? Who made big binders that they gave away to influencers at the White House?

I just explained it dude

The Trump Haters including you have had forever to release all the Epstein files to destroy Trump

They did not so there is simply nothing on Trump in those files

The answer is Bondi is playing idiots by making the Epstein records the bright shiny object for TDS folks to look at

Its called politics

Its a great way to have your opponent to waste resources on stuff that foes not matter

 

[yoshi121374]

I just explained it dude

The Trump Haters including you have had forever to release all the Epstein files to destroy Trump

They did not so there is simply nothing on Trump in those files

The answer is Bondi is playing idiots by making the Epstein records the bright shiny object for TDS folks to look at

Its called politics

Its a great way to have your opponent to waste resources on stuff that foes not matter

K.

Lol

 

[scotchtiger]

Not MAGA and traveling in Portugal right now. But short answer, I haven’t really followed the recent Epstein stuff. I think the pivot by Trump and Bondi is weird to say the least. I think they should release the info. And I think anyone who participated should be punished.

The only reasonable explanation is that they can’t actually show that people did something wrong, and associating their names with Epstein travel would immediately wreck their reputation, so they don’t want to do that without further proof. But who knows.

Didn’t follow the Russian collusion thing much back then and not now either.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Not MAGA and traveling in Portugal right now. But short answer, I haven’t really followed the recent Epstein stuff. I think the pivot by Trump and Bondi is weird to say the least. I think they should release the info. And I think anyone who participated should be punished.

The only reasonable explanation is that they can’t actually show that people did something wrong, and associating their names with Epstein travel would immediately wreck their reputation, so they don’t want to do that without further proof. But who knows.

Didn’t follow the Russian collusion thing much back then and not now either.

What frustrates me is that was always likely true. Or I think there would've been charges. Traveling with someone, doing business with someone, etc who ends up being a horrible human isn't actually illegal. Now, when they start talking about videos and things like that, different story, but hard to know what is true tbh

 

[Dadar]

The only way to look at this is that Maxwell is leveraging a deal.

It was reported that every bedroom had surveillance cameras and Epstein had taped for blackmail purposes. It was reported that there were over 1000 surveillance devices on the island.

 

[LafayetteBear]

I just explained it dude

The Trump Haters including you have had forever to release all the Epstein files to destroy Trump

They did not so there is simply nothing on Trump in those files

I think it is a bit of a rhetorical leap to say that the Biden Administration's failure to release all of the Epstein files shows conclusively that there is nothing on Trump in those files. Trump has them now. If there was "simply nothing on Trump in those files," wouldn't Trump have put them out as one of his first orders of business?!

I'm a Democrat, but my personal opinion is that there are plenty of prominent men on both sides of the political aisle who let their little head do the thinking for their big head, and made one or more trips to Pedo Island. Biden likely did not want to release the Epstein files on account of that fact. Biden saved both Trump and his Democratic colleagues (such as Clinton) the embarrassment of being publicly identified as a visitor to Pedo Island. But I think the full release of names is likely to happen at this point. The momentum for it has built up quite a bit.

 

[TigerGrowls]

@TigerGrowls @fatpiggy @Allornothing @TigerRagRob and even (@scotchtiger, while not a MAGA, still adjacent). Let's have a chat. I honestly am curious about a few things, and the timeline of what I've experienced both from my algorithms but also from this forum:

- The Epstein Files were something MAGA was passionate about releasing for years as it exposed a deep state pedophilia ring that was prominent with elites for decade(s).
- The release of the Epstein Files was something Kash Patel (now the director of the FBI), Dan Bongino(now deputy directory of the FBI), and multiple other MAGA influencers and representatives advocated for, for years.
- The Epstein Files became in possession of the Trump Administration once he came into office in January of 2025, and Attorney General Pam Bondi said she had them on her desk.
- By late June/early July 2025, the outcry for the files (including from the MAGA crowd in this forum and elsewhere) hit a fever pitch.
- The director of the FBI Kash Patel went on a few different outlets and said there was no list, despite Attorney General Bondi saying she had it on her desk a few months previously.
- President Trump began to start a social media campaign about people being obsessed with Epstein, defending Bondi, and calling people who wanted the files to be released "stupid."
- President Trump then began saying (which had literally NEVER been uttered in the public sphere and on social media) that the Epstein Files were doctored/authored by former president Barack Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and former President Joe Biden.
- Many MAGA's begin to call for Bondi's head/wanting her to be fired and for the files to be released in their totality as that is what Q/MAGA/the Trump campaign ran on.
- After much vitriol and public backlash, Attorney General Pam Bondi then begins to unearth new unclassified documents and information about a "coup" that former President Barack Obama launched against Trump's election in 2016 citing his lies about Russian collusion.
- MAGA proceeds to ignore the Epstein files, essentially calling it a nothing burger, while now doubling down on an alleged coup the Democratic Party launched against Trump with this new information.

Below is Bondi's most recent statement about Obama and the coup, and also Trump's statement in 2018 about the same subject.



Link that won't embed for some reason from Trump talking about Russian interference in the 2016 election

There are too many public statements about the Epstein Files from the past decade to even post, so my question is, and the reason for this post is to genuinely hear your thoughts, as I don't want to be in an echo chamber:

- Do you think the Epstein Files were doctored by the Democrats to cover themselves and only falsely indict President Trump?
- Do you think the Democrats/Biden didn't release them because they were hiding indicting themselves?
-Why do you think Bondi decided to finally release this new evidence against Barack Obama at this time?
- Why do you think the Trump Administration has decided to not release the Epstein files immediately?
- Why did Trump say in 2018 that Russia did interfere with the 2016 election (in the above link?)
- Do you think Obama/Hillary and the Democrats colluded ILLEGALLY (with whatever evidence) to try and keep Trump from being elected in 2016?
- Do you think President Trump (not president at the time) visited Epstein Island and did inappropriate acts with minors/others?
- Do you think it matters if President Trump (not president at the time) visited Epstein Island at all?
- Do you think its suspect "at all" that Bondi decided to release this new information about the Russian Collusion now at this specific moment?

I'm genuinely curious, and while some of these questions might come across as biased, I would love to know your personal answers. If you want to post twitter links, you can, but as we know at this point they're always debated. You also don't have to answer and this whole post can just fall by the wayside, but I am genuinely curious your viewpoints on all the above as I don't want to be in my own echo chamber.

TL;DR: I have a specific timeline I've seen/been told of recent events, and I'd like to see the viewpoints of those in the MAGA crowd in this forum as a rebuttal/answer.

Well thats a lot. This entire story has been building for a long time and may be coming to a head at some point in the Trump term. I am firmly in support of President Trump. I believe in him and choose to support him strongly. We all will hopefully see what happens in the end but Trump is getting a lot of really good stuff done for the USA and I am extremely happy and grateful for him being who he is and the fact that he has hung in and stood tall in the face of attacks never seen in the history of this nation imo. Hell yes I am on the Trump Train!!!

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

The real laughable point is YOU TDS GUYS keep hoping praying and lying for some way to knock Trump out

I say to all you dudes YOU HAVE LOST

Get on the TRUMP TRAIN or it is going to run over you

I DON’T LIKE THE TRUMP TRAIN

I LOVE THE TRUMP TRAIN

 

[Allornothing]

The only way to look at this is that Maxwell is leveraging a deal.

It was reported that every bedroom had surveillance cameras and Epstein had taped for blackmail purposes. It was reported that there were over 1000 surveillance devices on the island.

"It was reported that every bedroom had surveillance cameras and Epstein had taped for blackmail purposes. It was reported that there were over 1000 surveillance devices on the island."

Seems like we are waiting for you to provide the evidence then. Where did the evidence go gaydar? It just vanished into thin air?

Oh, it looks like the FBLIE got the evidence, and then it disappeared into thin air.

You back up my point, by being too stupid to realize you are backing it up. The FBI raided the place, correct? Where did all the tapes go? Where did the cameras go?

So all the evidence that the FBI collected just disappeared.?

SHOW US THE EVIDENCE GAYDAR!

 

[tigres88]

"It was reported that every bedroom had surveillance cameras and Epstein had taped for blackmail purposes. It was reported that there were over 1000 surveillance devices on the island."

Seems like we are waiting for you to provide the evidence then. Where did the evidence go gaydar? It just vanished into thin air?

Oh, it looks like the FBLIE got the evidence, and then it disappeared into thin air.

You back up my point, by being too stupid to realize you are backing it up. The FBI raided the place, correct? Where did all the tapes go? Where did the cameras go?

So all the evidence that the FBI collected just disappeared.?

SHOW US THE EVIDENCE GAYDAR!

Lol this dude shows up every so often and responds to every single thread in this forum spewing more hatred and vitriol than I've ever seen. Take a Xanax before you get institutionalized homie

 

[LafayetteBear]

"It was reported that every bedroom had surveillance cameras and Epstein had taped for blackmail purposes. It was reported that there were over 1000 surveillance devices on the island."

"It was reported ..." That's much like your Orange Guru prefacing one of his wild yarns with "A lot of people are saying that ..."

I'm not saying there were not surveillance cameras on Pedo Island. There may well have been. But you're gonna have to provide more than "It was reported" in order to back that up. And assuming there were all these surveillance cameras, who's to say that the video footage they recorded was still in existence and available to be seized when the FBI showed up? And BTW, I love your reference to "FBLie." It goes will with "Lamestream Media," "Deep State," alternative facts," "fake news," "failing New York Times," "Little Marco," and so many other unhinged but comedic terms that Trump Cultists have come out with. Keep up God's work, hoss. God knows we need the comedic entertainment.

 

[Weapon_X]

@TigerGrowls @fatpiggy @Allornothing @TigerRagRob and even (@scotchtiger, while not a MAGA, still adjacent). Let's have a chat. I honestly am curious about a few things, and the timeline of what I've experienced both from my algorithms but also from this forum:

- The Epstein Files were something MAGA was passionate about releasing for years as it exposed a deep state pedophilia ring that was prominent with elites for decade(s).
- The release of the Epstein Files was something Kash Patel (now the director of the FBI), Dan Bongino(now deputy directory of the FBI), and multiple other MAGA influencers and representatives advocated for, for years.
- The Epstein Files became in possession of the Trump Administration once he came into office in January of 2025, and Attorney General Pam Bondi said she had them on her desk.
- By late June/early July 2025, the outcry for the files (including from the MAGA crowd in this forum and elsewhere) hit a fever pitch.
- The director of the FBI Kash Patel went on a few different outlets and said there was no list, despite Attorney General Bondi saying she had it on her desk a few months previously.
- President Trump began to start a social media campaign about people being obsessed with Epstein, defending Bondi, and calling people who wanted the files to be released "stupid."
- President Trump then began saying (which had literally NEVER been uttered in the public sphere and on social media) that the Epstein Files were doctored/authored by former president Barack Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and former President Joe Biden.
- Many MAGA's begin to call for Bondi's head/wanting her to be fired and for the files to be released in their totality as that is what Q/MAGA/the Trump campaign ran on.
- After much vitriol and public backlash, Attorney General Pam Bondi then begins to unearth new unclassified documents and information about a "coup" that former President Barack Obama launched against Trump's election in 2016 citing his lies about Russian collusion.
- MAGA proceeds to ignore the Epstein files, essentially calling it a nothing burger, while now doubling down on an alleged coup the Democratic Party launched against Trump with this new information.

Below is Bondi's most recent statement about Obama and the coup, and also Trump's statement in 2018 about the same subject.



Link that won't embed for some reason from Trump talking about Russian interference in the 2016 election

There are too many public statements about the Epstein Files from the past decade to even post, so my question is, and the reason for this post is to genuinely hear your thoughts, as I don't want to be in an echo chamber:

- Do you think the Epstein Files were doctored by the Democrats to cover themselves and only falsely indict President Trump?
- Do you think the Democrats/Biden didn't release them because they were hiding indicting themselves?
-Why do you think Bondi decided to finally release this new evidence against Barack Obama at this time?
- Why do you think the Trump Administration has decided to not release the Epstein files immediately?
- Why did Trump say in 2018 that Russia did interfere with the 2016 election (in the above link?)
- Do you think Obama/Hillary and the Democrats colluded ILLEGALLY (with whatever evidence) to try and keep Trump from being elected in 2016?
- Do you think President Trump (not president at the time) visited Epstein Island and did inappropriate acts with minors/others?
- Do you think it matters if President Trump (not president at the time) visited Epstein Island at all?
- Do you think its suspect "at all" that Bondi decided to release this new information about the Russian Collusion now at this specific moment?

I'm genuinely curious, and while some of these questions might come across as biased, I would love to know your personal answers. If you want to post twitter links, you can, but as we know at this point they're always debated. You also don't have to answer and this whole post can just fall by the wayside, but I am genuinely curious your viewpoints on all the above as I don't want to be in my own echo chamber.

TL;DR: I have a specific timeline I've seen/been told of recent events, and I'd like to see the viewpoints of those in the MAGA crowd in this forum as a rebuttal/answer.

You’re asking a lot of questions based on assumptions, speculation, and selectively framed timelines.

No one credible in MAGA said not to release the Epstein files... we want everyone exposed, no matter who it implicates. What’s changed is that the files appear compromised, and if they’ve been tampered with... as Bondi and Trump have suggested... they’re useless without validation. Releasing bad intel helps no one except the guilty.

Bondi releasing coup-related documents now doesn’t erase the Epstein issue... it adds to the broader picture of corruption. You want to talk timing? Ask why Obama’s DOJ, Hillary’s State Dept, or Biden’s White House sat on this for years.

Trump saying Russia interfered isn’t new. The whole world knew that. The lie was the collusion narrative... that Trump worked with them... which Mueller debunked.

As for Trump and Epstein: there’s no flight log, no island visit, no credible accusation. If you’ve got proof, post it. Otherwise, it’s the same recycled smear while the people with actual ties... Clinton, Gates, and half of Hollywood... get a pass.

Bottom line: this isn’t about shifting focus. It’s about cleaning house on all fronts. Epstein. Russia hoax. Government abuse. If you actually care about the truth, stop moving goalposts when it lands on your side.

 

[tigres88]

You’re asking a lot of questions based on assumptions, speculation, and selectively framed timelines.

No one credible in MAGA said not to release the Epstein files... we want everyone exposed, no matter who it implicates. What’s changed is that the files appear compromised, and if they’ve been tampered with... as Bondi and Trump have suggested... they’re useless without validation. Releasing bad intel helps no one except the guilty.

THIS is speculation and assumption. Just because Trump and Bondi have suggested they have been tampered with, does in no way mean they have. All politicians lie, and Trump is absolutely a bald face liar (and ofc dems are too).

Bondi releasing coup-related documents now doesn’t erase the Epstein issue... it adds to the broader picture of corruption. You want to talk timing? Ask why Obama’s DOJ, Hillary’s State Dept, or Biden’s White House sat on this for years.

I thought you were the one who actually critically thought - this is just MAGA speak, and you're simply regurgitating the party line. Be better and we'll take you more seriously, as you like to portray yourself.

As for Trump and Epstein: there’s no flight log, no island visit, no credible accusation. If you’ve got proof, post it. Otherwise, it’s the same recycled smear while the people with actual ties... Clinton, Gates, and half of Hollywood... get a pass.

Bottom line: this isn’t about shifting focus. It’s about cleaning house on all fronts. Epstein. Russia hoax. Government abuse. If you actually care about the truth, stop moving goalposts when it lands on your side.

Again, I'm on record saying there is no Epstein "List." And have been for a long time. It was just a carrot dangled to keep the Maga base in line.

Your "Bottom Line" is again, speculation. I absolutely care about truth, which there is little in this administration (or any for that matter).

But the reason why I asked the questions, is because the whole handling of it all has been awful at best, and incredibly suspicious at worst.

I appreciate that you don't use the Maga rhetoric and actually try and engage with facts, but homie most of your speak is no different than any of the rest if you can't see this whole thing has been suspect and has been handled very suspiciously. I would've hoped with your rhetoric on this forum you could think a little more critically. But perhaps, if you could, you wouldn't be such a supporter in the first place.

 

[Weapon_X]

THIS is speculation and assumption. Just because Trump and Bondi have suggested they have been tampered with, does in no way mean they have. All politicians lie, and Trump is absolutely a bald face liar (and ofc dems are too).

I thought you were the one who actually critically thought - this is just MAGA speak, and you're simply regurgitating the party line. Be better and we'll take you more seriously, as you like to portray yourself.


Again, I'm on record saying there is no Epstein "List." And have been for a long time. It was just a carrot dangled to keep the Maga base in line.

Your "Bottom Line" is again, speculation. I absolutely care about truth, which there is little in this administration (or any for that matter).

But the reason why I asked the questions, is because the whole handling of it all has been awful at best, and incredibly suspicious at worst.

I appreciate that you don't use the Maga rhetoric and actually try and engage with facts, but homie most of your speak is no different than any of the rest if you can't see this whole thing has been suspect and has been handled very suspiciously. I would've hoped with your rhetoric on this forum you could think a little more critically. But perhaps, if you could, you wouldn't be such a supporter in the first place.

Appreciate the faux compliment wrapped in condescension, but let’s be clear: disagreeing with your narrative isn’t the same as lacking critical thought.

You say my points are “speculation,” yet your entire post is based on subjective suspicion and distrust. You don’t believe the files were tampered with... fine. But dismissing that possibility outright, especially after years of institutional coverups, media manipulation, and weaponized agencies, isn’t “critical thinking”... it’s selective skepticism.

As for Bondi and the timing of the coup-related docs, your argument boils down to, “Well it sounds like MAGA talking points so I won’t take it seriously.” That’s not intellectual honesty, that’s tribal reflex. If the information is valid, it’s valid... regardless of who exposes it. The question you still haven’t answered is why Democrats had years to release Epstein evidence or declassify related material and didn’t. That’s convenient silence, not a virtue signal.

And let’s be real... you say there’s no “Epstein List” and that it was a carrot for MAGA? Funny, because for years the media, the Left, and the DOJ all acted like there was something explosive, and now that it might burn both sides of the aisle, suddenly it’s “a myth.” That’s not consistency, that’s retreat.

You claim to care about truth... but you ignore everything that doesn’t support your cynicism. You’re skeptical of Trump and Bondi by default, but you give a free pass to the institutional rot that festered under Obama, Clinton, and Biden. That’s not critical thinking... it’s a partisan filter pretending to be neutrality.

I don’t carry water for any politician. But if you’re going to come at me like I’m just parroting talking points, at least try bringing something other than tired cynicism dressed up as intellectual superiority.

You wanted answers. I gave them. That you don’t like the answers doesn’t make them less grounded in reality.

 

[LafayetteBear]

Sigh. Such a target rich environment. See my comments in red type, below.

You’re asking a lot of questions based on assumptions, speculation, and selectively framed timelines.

No one credible in MAGA said not to release the Epstein files...[Wut?! How about Donald Trump himself?! He has done everything he could think of to try and prevent the release of the Epstein files. And let's be clear about what "the Epstein files" means. It means everything that the Feds have as a result of their investigation of Jeffrey Epstein and his activities. His finances, his wire transfers, his e-mails, his letters, flight logs to and from Pedo Island, his videos (if there are in fact any), his associates, his victims. All of it. Not just grand jury transcripts that will likely never be released, and which comprise only a small fraction of the totality of "the Epstein files." Trump called for the release of the grand jury transcripts because he thought it would make for good PR ("See? I'm all about being transparent here!"), but knowing all the while that the court would not allow it. Trump did not even notify the victims, much less attempt to get their consent, which would have been a requirement in order to get the court's consent. I have yet to see a Trump Cultist acknowledge these simple and obvious facts. Beyond that, Trump has done his level best to try and distract the public from his Epstein problem. Among other things, he: (1) demanded that the Washington Commanders immediately rename themselves the Washington Redskins, threatening them with some unspecified sanctions if they do not; (2) released the MLK, files over the objection of the King family; (3) reprised his ludicrous claims about the Democrats engaging in a vast, left wing conspiracy designed to discredit him for, among other things, colluding with Russians and Russian cutouts. But this time, he ramped up his histrionics by claiming that Obama was the mastermind, labeling it "treason" (when, in fact, such conduct would not satisfy the constitutional definition of "treason" even if everything Trump alleged was true), and called for Obama, et al to be executed. All of that happened in a single week. Now, Trump is floating a new trial balloon. Somebody other than he wrote that letter found in Epstein's (50th) Birthday Book. Good luck with that one, Cheeto. Finally, Cheeto has sent Todd Blanche (his former criminal defense lawyer) to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell, without providing any meaningful explanation for doing so. Ms. Maxwell is presently serving a 20-year sentence for sex trafficking. She was a percipient witness to much of what went down, but she is also very interested in getting out of jail, and has little reason to cooperate with Blanche or his Orange Hued boss unless they offer her some kind of incentive. Everyone smells some kind of quid pro quo deal here; either a pardon or a sentence commutation in exchange for Maxwell testifying that those damn Democrats were repeat visitors to Pedo Island, but Epstein's best friend was never there. Never had anything to do with it. The whole thing stinks to high heaven ] is we want everyone exposed, no matter who it implicates. What’s changed is that the files appear compromised, and if they’ve been tampered with... as Bondi and Trump have suggested...[That's just it. they suggested it, with zero evidence to back up that suggestion. But it's taken as Gospel in MAGA world, as the 13 words following this comment clearly demonstrate. ] they’re useless without validation. Releasing bad intel helps no one except the guilty.

Bondi releasing coup-related documents [Bondi and Trump supposedly declassified all of these "coup documents." So let's see them. Why haven't they already put it all out there in public. for the American public to judge?] now doesn’t erase the Epstein issue... it adds to the broader picture of corruption. You want to talk timing? Ask why Obama’s DOJ, Hillary’s State Dept, or Biden’s White House sat on this for years. [So let me get this straight. Obama, Biden, Clinton and Soros, to name a few, painstakingly assembled this trove of fake but incriminating data on Trump but failed to put it out there prior to the 2016 election and let Trump win. Then, they again failed to put it out there in 2020, when it would presumably have made Biden's path to victory much easier. Then in 2024 , they failed yet again to put it out there and allowed Trump to win once again. How calculating and nefarious of those "criminals."

Trump saying Russia interfered isn’t new. The whole world knew that. The lie was the collusion narrative... that Trump worked with them... which Mueller debunked.

As for Trump and Epstein: there’s no flight log, no island visit, no credible accusation. If you’ve got proof, post it. [I agree. Let's put all of the Epstein files out there in the public domain. We already know that Trump's name is mentioned repeatedly in those files (notwithstanding Trump's assertions to the contrary), which stands to reason, given that he and Epstein were best friends. Funny thing, though. Trump keeps trying to prevent that from happening. Witness the House shutting down for a recess in order to avoid having to vote on a resolution calling for a full release of the Epstein files. As if that's gonna work.] Otherwise, it’s the same recycled smear while the people with actual ties... Clinton, Gates, and half of Hollywood... get a pass.

Bottom line: this isn’t about shifting focus. It’s about cleaning house on all fronts. Epstein. Russia hoax. Government abuse. If you actually care about the truth, stop moving goalposts when it lands on your side. Tell that to your Orange Guru.

 

[tigres88]

Appreciate the faux compliment wrapped in condescension, but let’s be clear: disagreeing with your narrative isn’t the same as lacking critical thought.

You say my points are “speculation,” yet your entire post is based on subjective suspicion and distrust. You don’t believe the files were tampered with... fine. But dismissing that possibility outright, especially after years of institutional coverups, media manipulation, and weaponized agencies, isn’t “critical thinking”... it’s selective skepticism.

As for Bondi and the timing of the coup-related docs, your argument boils down to, “Well it sounds like MAGA talking points so I won’t take it seriously.” That’s not intellectual honesty, that’s tribal reflex. If the information is valid, it’s valid... regardless of who exposes it. The question you still haven’t answered is why Democrats had years to release Epstein evidence or declassify related material and didn’t. That’s convenient silence, not a virtue signal.

And let’s be real... you say there’s no “Epstein List” and that it was a carrot for MAGA? Funny, because for years the media, the Left, and the DOJ all acted like there was something explosive, and now that it might burn both sides of the aisle, suddenly it’s “a myth.” That’s not consistency, that’s retreat.

You claim to care about truth... but you ignore everything that doesn’t support your cynicism. You’re skeptical of Trump and Bondi by default, but you give a free pass to the institutional rot that festered under Obama, Clinton, and Biden. That’s not critical thinking... it’s a partisan filter pretending to be neutrality.

I don’t carry water for any politician. But if you’re going to come at me like I’m just parroting talking points, at least try bringing something other than tired cynicism dressed up as intellectual superiority.

You wanted answers. I gave them. That you don’t like the answers doesn’t make them less grounded in reality.

Again, you're projecting. I'm fine with my post being speculative- I literally said that from the beginning. I wanted to hear how the evidence could possibly be spun from the other side. I heard it from a few of the usual suspects who brought nothing substantial.

I appreciate you trying to answer, however you too didn't bring anything substantial. Further, this quote: "Funny, because for years the media, the Left, and the DOJ all acted like there was something explosive, and now that it might burn both sides of the aisle, suddenly it’s “a myth.” That’s not consistency, that’s retreat." Is objectively false. The left didn't EVER care about the Epstein "files/list" because it was a conspiracy theory rooted in MAGA culture.

MAGA took that as "ducking" because So MaNy DeMoCrAtS aRe PeDoPhIleS and were "on the list." It still strewn all over this forum. We only cared when Trump and his administration OBVIOUSLY started backtracking about it, tried very obvious diversion tactics (I mean, dude, they're trying to still implicate OBAMA. It's been over a decade and yet MAGA still eats it up), and started acting suspicious as ****. This is simply rational to judge their actions as they portray them. I mean, MAGA and the Republicans are infighting about this whole ordeal majorly, even WITH the Obama/clinton diversion bs that holds no water.

"But if you’re going to come at me like I’m just parroting talking points, at least try bringing something other than tired cynicism dressed up as intellectual superiority." If it walks like a duck, talks a lil better than most ducks, you're still a duck. You have the same tired rhetoric, but probably at least a college degree and cant articulate moderately, unlike most MAGA's here, so I'll give ya that.

 

[LafayetteBear]

Do these Trump TDS people with 100% access to ALL THE EPSTEIN records could not use them to hurt Trump

English, please.

 

[Weapon_X]

Again, you're projecting. I'm fine with my post being speculative- I literally said that from the beginning. I wanted to hear how the evidence could possibly be spun from the other side. I heard it from a few of the usual suspects who brought nothing substantial.

I appreciate you trying to answer, however you too didn't bring anything substantial. Further, this quote: "Funny, because for years the media, the Left, and the DOJ all acted like there was something explosive, and now that it might burn both sides of the aisle, suddenly it’s “a myth.” That’s not consistency, that’s retreat." Is objectively false. The left didn't EVER care about the Epstein "files/list" because it was a conspiracy theory rooted in MAGA culture.

MAGA took that as "ducking" because So MaNy DeMoCrAtS aRe PeDoPhIleS and were "on the list." It still strewn all over this forum. We only cared when Trump and his administration OBVIOUSLY started backtracking about it, tried very obvious diversion tactics (I mean, dude, they're trying to still implicate OBAMA. It's been over a decade and yet MAGA still eats it up), and started acting suspicious as ****. This is simply rational to judge their actions as they portray them. I mean, MAGA and the Republicans are infighting about this whole ordeal majorly, even WITH the Obama/clinton diversion bs that holds no water.

"But if you’re going to come at me like I’m just parroting talking points, at least try bringing something other than tired cynicism dressed up as intellectual superiority." If it walks like a duck, talks a lil better than most ducks, you're still a duck. You have the same tired rhetoric, but probably at least a college degree and cant articulate moderately, unlike most MAGA's here, so I'll give ya that.

So let me get this straight... you admit your post is speculative, yet you’re demanding “substance” from everyone else? That’s not curiosity, that’s bait. You came in with conclusions already baked in and just wanted someone to validate them. When that didn’t happen, you defaulted to condescension.

Your claim that “the Left never cared about the Epstein files” is laughably revisionist. The entire media ecosystem was buzzing about Epstein in 2019, including Left-leaning outlets... until it started getting uncomfortable. Suddenly, when names like Clinton, Gates, and MIT donor lists came up, the story got memory-holed. But sure, let’s pretend it was always “just a MAGA conspiracy.”

You accuse MAGA of spreading theories, but your entire post rests on selective outrage and partisan framing. You’re not mad the Epstein case is being handled poorly... you’re mad it might not be useful as a weapon against Trump. That’s not justice. That’s tribal politics.

And about the “Obama/Clinton diversion” line... if evidence of a coordinated effort to spy on and undermine a political opponent surfaces, that’s not diversion. That’s exposing real abuse of power. If it were Republicans doing it to a Democrat, you’d call it a constitutional crisis.

Lastly, your little jab about rhetoric and ducks? Cute, but lazy. You mock “tired rhetoric” while recycling every MSNBC-flavored trope in the book. If all you’ve got is snark, projection, and cherry-picked outrage, maybe check that mirror before calling anyone else a duck.

I’m not here to be liked... I’m here to deal in facts. Try it sometime.

 

[Weapon_X]

Sigh. Such a target rich environment. See my comments in red type, below.

This entire rant is built on a pile of bad faith, circular logic, and outright fiction. You’re throwing around accusations with zero evidence, then demanding everyone else disprove your conspiracy theory... while ignoring what’s actually been said and done.

First off, Trump hasn’t “done everything he could to prevent the release of the Epstein files.” He’s called for declassification and release of grand jury materials... the exact opposite of hiding. You claim that was just a PR stunt, yet conveniently ignore the fact that grand jury material is legally protected unless a judge agrees to release it. And yes, the victims have to be notified. That’s a court procedure, not a Trump plot. If he bypassed the court and released sealed documents, you’d be screaming “abuse of power.”

Second, you throw out a laundry list of unrelated distractions (Redskins, MLK files, coup docs, etc.) like that proves guilt. That’s not argument... it’s noise. And saying “Cheeto” over and over again doesn’t make your point stronger. It just makes it clear you’re more interested in mockery than facts.

Let’s talk about that meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell. You have no clue what it was about... but you’re already spinning a pardon narrative out of thin air. That’s projection. You’re accusing Trump of doing what Clinton actually did... flying on Epstein’s jet, going to the island, lying about it, and getting covered by the press.

As for Trump being mentioned in the files... that’s old news. He knew Epstein, like a lot of people in that era. But he banned him from Mar-a-Lago and cooperated with prosecutors. There’s no credible accusation that he participated in Epstein’s crimes.

They keep saying Trump’s name is “listed” in the Epstein files like that’s some kind of revelation. It’s not. That’s been public since 2016, when Giuffre explicitly said under oath that Trump was never involved in anything criminal or inappropriate.

But they’re banking on the average person not knowing that. They’re twisting “listed” to imply Trump is on some secret roster of pedophiles... which they know is a lie. His name came up in questioning, not because he did anything wrong, but because he knew Epstein... like half of New York high society at the time.

Plenty of names appear in those files who had nothing to do with Epstein’s crimes. The Dems know that. The media knows that. They just don’t care. The goal is to smear Trump by association... facts be damned.

This is the hoax: weaponizing public ignorance with carefully crafted headlines and dog-whistle language to suggest Trump is guilty of something unspeakable… when they’ve got nothing. If they had real dirt, they would’ve dropped it in 2015 before he even hit the bottom of that escalator.

People who follow this topic closely know the truth. The problem is, the average voter doesn’t... and the word games are working. If you’ve got hard evidence, post it. Otherwise, it’s just another smear campaign built on guilt by association.

And your argument about the “coup documents” is laughable. The entire basis of Crossfire Hurricane, the Steele dossier, FISA abuse, and weaponized intel against a political campaign has been proven over and over again. Durham’s report confirmed it. Your sarcasm doesn’t erase that.

You don’t want the truth. You want a narrative where Trump is guilty no matter what, and anyone who questions the system is part of a cult. That’s not justice. That’s projection, tribalism, and fear of what real accountability might uncover... especially if it points to your side of the aisle.

You want transparency? Great. So do we. Let all the Epstein files out... every name, every page. But let’s do it without the selective outrage and politically motivated fiction. Deal?

 

[LafayetteBear]

Sigh. Poor Weapon _X. I see that he is in need of more instruction.

First off, Trump hasn’t “done everything he could to prevent the release of the Epstein files.” He’s called for declassification and release of grand jury materials... the exact opposite of hiding. You claim that was just a PR stunt, yet conveniently ignore the fact that grand jury material is legally protected unless a judge agrees to release it. And yes, the victims have to be notified. That’s a court procedure, not a Trump plot. If he bypassed the court and released sealed documents, you’d be screaming “abuse of power.” You can't be this stupid. But obviously, you are. You should realize that Donald Trump has gotten and is getting legal advice through all of this. And he still manages to make a mess of things. You continue ballyhooing his DOJ's request that the court approve the release of the grand jury materials, while simultaneously continuing to ignore: (1) the FACT that the grand jury materials represent a miniscule fraction of the Epstein files; and (2) the FACT that the court was never going to approve the release of those grand jury materials for, among other reasons, the fact that the DOJ never gave notice to the victims of Epstein's/Maxwell's crimes that the DOJ was seeking the release of the grand jury materials. You say that is a "court procedure, not a Trump plot." Earth to Weapon_X: calling it a "court procedure" does not change the FACT that Trump's DOJ asked the court for permission to release the grand jury materials KNOWING that the court would not approve said release. Capisce? So what Trump was doing was putting on a shameless PR stunt for the benefit of his Cult followers (yourself included), who are so credulous that they swallow ANYTHING that Trump puts out there as absolute Gospel, even if it is entirely unsupported by actual facts. Good for you, junior.

Second, you throw out a laundry list of unrelated distractions (Redskins, MLK files, coup docs, etc.) like that proves guilt. That’s not argument... it’s noise. And saying “Cheeto” over and over again doesn’t make your point stronger. It just makes it clear you’re more interested in mockery than facts. I'm sorry. My bad. I should have said "Cheeto Hitler." Feel better now? That "laundry list of distractions" is not "unrelated" to Trump's Epstein problem. Rather, they are inextricably tied to it. Trump created all of those things in a single week, in a very obvious attempt to distract public attention from his Epstein problem. I never said they prove his guilt. They do, however, demonstrate how desperate Cheeto Hitler is to somehow refocus public opinion on some other - ANY other - topic. You may be entirely incurious as to why that is, but Democrats and independents are not. They see the obvious attempt at deflection and misdirection. And so does a significant swath of the MAGA base.

Let’s talk about that meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell. You have no clue what it was about... but you’re already spinning a pardon narrative out of thin air. That’s projection. You’re accusing Trump of doing what Clinton actually did... flying on Epstein’s jet, going to the island, lying about it, and getting covered by the press. Here's a very salient difference between me and your average Trump Cultists (yourself included). I have not and do not make any attempt to cast Bill Clinton as an innocent, or as a paragon of moral probity. If his name is included in the list of miscreants who spent time on Pedo Island, I want him to face the consequences, both legal and political, for his actions. (And BTW, you stated above that "Clinton actually did" all of those things. You know that how? Rhetorical question, Farley. You don't know that.) And with respect to Donald Trump. you loudly and unqualifiedly proclaim his innocence, even though you have no (read: zero) idea whether he is guilty or not. We DO know, however, that Trump was Jeff Epstein's best friend for over 10 years. They hung out together. Video evidence confirms it. That does not make Trump guilty, but it certainly does not make him innocent. Yet you feel this overriding compulsion to defend and gaslight for Trump in any and all circumstances. The fact that he may have had non-consensual sex with (i.e., raped) teenage girls appears to be of no moment to you. Good for you, I guess.

As for Trump being mentioned in the files... that’s old news. He knew Epstein, like a lot of people in that era. But he banned him from Mar-a-Lago and cooperated with prosecutors. There’s no credible accusation that he participated in Epstein’s crimes. Then we can put you down as supporting the release of ALL of the Epstein files, correct? Funny that your Orange Master does not feel that way. Wonder why.

They keep saying Trump’s name is “listed” in the Epstein files like that’s some kind of revelation. It’s not. That’s been public since 2016, when Giuffre explicitly said under oath that Trump was never involved in anything criminal or inappropriate. You have no information that Clinton is guilty of any criminal offense here, but you certainly don't feel any hesitation about concluding (and stating) that he is guilty. And Clinton was never Epstein's best friend. I'm sensing a double standard here.

But they’re banking on the average person not knowing that. They’re twisting “listed” to imply Trump is on some secret roster of pedophiles... which they know is a lie. His name came up in questioning, not because he did anything wrong, but because he knew Epstein... like half of New York high society at the time.

Plenty of names appear in those files who had nothing to do with Epstein’s crimes. The Dems know that. The media knows that. They just don’t care. The goal is to smear Trump by association... facts be damned. I don't want to smear him by association. I want to convict him of boinking teenage girls, because I'm of the belief that he did so repeatedly.

This is the hoax: weaponizing public ignorance with carefully crafted headlines and dog-whistle language to suggest Trump is guilty of something unspeakable… when they’ve got nothing. If they had real dirt, they would’ve dropped it in 2015 before he even hit the bottom of that escalator.

People who follow this topic closely know the truth. The problem is, the average voter doesn’t... and the word games are working. If you’ve got hard evidence, post it. Otherwise, it’s just another smear campaign built on guilt by association.

And your argument about the “coup documents” is laughable. The entire basis of Crossfire Hurricane, the Steele dossier, FISA abuse, and weaponized intel against a political campaign has been proven over and over again. Durham’s report confirmed it. Your sarcasm doesn’t erase that. That's funny, Weapon_X. The Congressional reports that were issued on this subject disagree with you. But you do you.

You don’t want the truth. You want a narrative where Trump is guilty no matter what, and anyone who questions the system is part of a cult. That’s not justice. That’s projection, tribalism, and fear of what real accountability might uncover... especially if it points to your side of the aisle.

You want transparency? Great. So do we. Let all the Epstein files out... every name, every page. But let’s do it without the selective outrage and politically motivated fiction. Deal? The selective outrage is coming from your direction, junior. Clinton guilty, Trump innocent. I' have my own beliefs, but I'm not inclined to present them as established fact. Rather, I want to see all of the Epstein files come out, ad see what transpires then. My prediction? Either a pardon or sentence commutation for Maxwell, and some kind of attempted whitewash from Team Trump. Either laughably one-sided testimony from Maxwell, or a very selective disclosure of the Epstein files, characterized as a "full disclosure." We'll see.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

English, please.

Sorry I will not try to fix that grammatical train wreck

Must have been late with me sleepy late at night after a day working on helping my daughter remodel stuff at her house

LOL YES it is a train wreck

 

[Weapon_X]

Sigh. Poor Weapon _X. I see that he is in need of more instruction.

Oh wow, you really went for it, didn’t you? Full Reddit rant mode... word vomit, smug overconfidence, wild speculation, and about as much legal comprehension as a TikTok conspiracy theorist on edibles. So let’s break this down with facts, since your post was allergic to them.

1. “Trump’s DOJ knew the court would never approve the release.”
Thanks for the legal hot take, Perry Mason. You know who doesn’t get to arbitrarily declassify or release grand jury material? The executive branch. It’s sealed by Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. You want it unsealed? You must go through the court, notify all relevant parties (including victims), and get approval. That’s exactly what Trump’s DOJ attempted to do.

So when you call that a “PR stunt,” you’re either exposing your ignorance or betting your audience is dumb enough not to know the law. Either way, it’s not a good look.

2. “The grand jury transcripts are just a minuscule part of the Epstein files.”
Ah yes, moving the goalposts. First, you demand release of “the Epstein files.” Then when the grand jury materials... arguably the most detailed, vetted part of the investigation... are on the table, you scoff because it doesn’t include a live-action DVD of Epstein’s flight log and Hillary on the tarmac. Do you even know what’s in those sealed transcripts? No, you don’t. But you’re certain they’re irrelevant because Trump requested them. That’s not critical thinking. That’s Pavlovian partisan barking.

3. “Trump tried to distract the public by releasing MLK files and ranting about Obama.”
Yeah, exposing FBI surveillance and government abuse of Martin Luther King Jr. = distraction. Got it. You’d think the party that still cries about COINTELPRO and J. Edgar Hoover would be thrilled about transparency... unless, of course, it’s politically inconvenient. And as for Obama... spying on a presidential campaign, falsifying FISA warrants, and weaponizing intelligence agencies is not a distraction. It’s actual criminal conduct. Read the Durham Report... you know, the one that confirmed Crossfire Hurricane was launched with no verified intel and was fueled by political bias.

4. “Trump was Epstein’s best friend.”
False. In fact, Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago before any of this was public, after he reportedly made a move on a staffer’s teenage daughter. Trump is literally the only person known to have helped build a case against Epstein, cooperating with prosecutors back in 2009. Meanwhile, Clinton? Flew on the Lolita Express 26 times, ditched Secret Service protection multiple times, and was photographed getting a neck rub from one of Epstein’s accusers. But sure... tell me again how Trump is the one acting suspicious.

5. “Cheeto Hitler.”
Oh good, a Holocaust reference. Always a great way to tell the world you’ve run out of arguments and started mainlining MSNBC brain rot. When your best rhetorical move is to scream “cultist” while acting like a deranged preacher at the Church of Maddow, it’s clear you’re not debating... you’re just coping.

6. “Trump will pardon Maxwell.”
Proof? None. Evidence? Zero. But hey, if you hallucinate it hard enough, maybe Joy Behar will say it next Tuesday and you’ll feel validated. Meanwhile, under Biden’s DOJ, not a single high-profile Epstein client has been indicted, charged, or named. Not one. The entire investigation is conveniently ice cold. And yet you’re still screaming about Trump, who isn’t even in office.

So here’s the bottom line:
You’re not mad about the lack of transparency. You’re mad Trump didn’t get perp-walked in handcuffs out of Mar-a-Lago based on your fever dream. You’re not seeking justice... you’re just emotionally invested in the idea that Trump must be guilty, and anything short of that is a “cover-up.”

If you actually wanted the Epstein files released, you’d be furious at every administration... including Obama’s and Biden’s... that had access and did nothing. But you’re not. Because you’re not interested in facts. You’re just another partisan muppet screeching into the void.

So yes, put me down for releasing every Epstein file. Every page. Every name. Every log. Let’s see who it burns... Trump, Clinton, Gates, whoever. But spare me your sanctimonious tantrum disguised as analysis. You’re not uncovering truth. You’re just desperate to hang onto a narrative that’s collapsing under the weight of actual facts.

Try again, muppet... maybe next time with less froth and more substance.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

I think it is a bit of a rhetorical leap to say that the Biden Administration's failure to release all of the Epstein files shows conclusively that there is nothing on Trump in those files. Trump has them now. If there was "simply nothing on Trump in those files," wouldn't Trump have put them out as one of his first orders of business?!

I'm a Democrat, but my personal opinion is that there are plenty of prominent men on both sides of the political aisle who let their little head do the thinking for their big head, and made one or more trips to Pedo Island. Biden likely did not want to release the Epstein files on account of that fact. Biden saved both Trump and his Democratic colleagues (such as Clinton) the embarrassment of being publicly identified as a visitor to Pedo Island. But I think the full release of names is likely to happen at this point. The momentum for it has built up quite a bit.

To repeat myself for the nth time first I say total transparency and release all credible documents

Not FAKE Russian Collusion style documents so caution is needed in that respect

Also the Democrats and deep staters who hate Trump had access and control of those documents for years without using them against Trump

Not that I am right but based on that failure to dump the records it leads me to believe that Trump isnot in them

He could be but I highly doubt it

 

[Weapon_X]

Again, you're projecting. I'm fine with my post being speculative- I literally said that from the beginning. I wanted to hear how the evidence could possibly be spun from the other side. I heard it from a few of the usual suspects who brought nothing substantial.

I appreciate you trying to answer, however you too didn't bring anything substantial. Further, this quote: "Funny, because for years the media, the Left, and the DOJ all acted like there was something explosive, and now that it might burn both sides of the aisle, suddenly it’s “a myth.” That’s not consistency, that’s retreat." Is objectively false. The left didn't EVER care about the Epstein "files/list" because it was a conspiracy theory rooted in MAGA culture.

MAGA took that as "ducking" because So MaNy DeMoCrAtS aRe PeDoPhIleS and were "on the list." It still strewn all over this forum. We only cared when Trump and his administration OBVIOUSLY started backtracking about it, tried very obvious diversion tactics (I mean, dude, they're trying to still implicate OBAMA. It's been over a decade and yet MAGA still eats it up), and started acting suspicious as ****. This is simply rational to judge their actions as they portray them. I mean, MAGA and the Republicans are infighting about this whole ordeal majorly, even WITH the Obama/clinton diversion bs that holds no water.

"But if you’re going to come at me like I’m just parroting talking points, at least try bringing something other than tired cynicism dressed up as intellectual superiority." If it walks like a duck, talks a lil better than most ducks, you're still a duck. You have the same tired rhetoric, but probably at least a college degree and cant articulate moderately, unlike most MAGA's here, so I'll give ya that.

Ah yes, the classic fallback: “I said it was speculative from the start!” That’s not a defense, that’s a preemptive excuse for tossing out a bunch of half-baked, ideologically-driven word salad and hoping nobody calls you on it. “I wanted to hear the other side,” you claim, then immediately dismiss everything not spoon-fed to you by your MSNBC algorithm as “not substantial.” Translation: You weren’t looking for answers... you were looking for confirmation bias.

You say my quote was “objectively false” because “the Left NEVER cared about the Epstein files.” That’s hilarious, considering the same media outlets you worship were salivating over the Epstein case until it started implicating their donors, celebrity darlings, and political allies. Let me guess... you think it was just pure coincidence that ABC spiked Amy Robach’s Epstein interview, that Ghislaine Maxwell’s client list still hasn’t been released, and that not a single major Democrat name has been indicted under the Biden DOJ? Right, totally not suspicious. Just MAGA conspiracy talk.

And spare me the melodrama about “diversion tactics” and “implicating Obama.” If you think the idea that Obama’s DOJ and intelligence apparatus targeted a political opponent is absurd, you haven’t read a shred of the IG reports, the FISA abuse documented by Horowitz, or the Durham findings. You’re not engaging with facts... you’re clinging to a religion where Trump is always guilty and your side is morally untouchable.

You claim “Republicans are infighting” over this as if that proves something. Newsflash: that’s what actual political diversity looks like. You’re so used to cult-like Leftist lockstep that disagreement within a party looks like dysfunction to you. Meanwhile, your side treats groupthink as gospel and still manages to step on every rake in sight.

Now for the grand finale... your “duck” analogy. Cute. Real original. But here’s the thing: parroting MSNBC talking points, projecting every bad faith argument onto your opponent, and refusing to engage with documented facts doesn’t make you clever. It makes you the exact kind of smug, incurious NPC that keeps this country spinning its wheels while pretending to be “above it all.”

You tried to come off like the enlightened moderate in search of truth. Instead, you revealed yourself as just another bitter partisan with a keyboard and a superiority complex, terrified that the narrative might not go the way you need it to.

Try harder next time, ducky. You’re still quacking, but no one’s impressed.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

You’re asking a lot of questions based on assumptions, speculation, and selectively framed timelines.

No one credible in MAGA said not to release the Epstein files... we want everyone exposed, no matter who it implicates. What’s changed is that the files appear compromised, and if they’ve been tampered with... as Bondi and Trump have suggested... they’re useless without validation. Releasing bad intel helps no one except the guilty.

Bondi releasing coup-related documents now doesn’t erase the Epstein issue... it adds to the broader picture of corruption. You want to talk timing? Ask why Obama’s DOJ, Hillary’s State Dept, or Biden’s White House sat on this for years.

Trump saying Russia interfered isn’t new. The whole world knew that. The lie was the collusion narrative... that Trump worked with them... which Mueller debunked.

As for Trump and Epstein: there’s no flight log, no island visit, no credible accusation. If you’ve got proof, post it. Otherwise, it’s the same recycled smear while the people with actual ties... Clinton, Gates, and half of Hollywood... get a pass.

Bottom line: this isn’t about shifting focus. It’s about cleaning house on all fronts. Epstein. Russia hoax. Government abuse. If you actually care about the truth, stop moving goalposts when it lands on your side.

What makes them appear compromised?

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Oh wow, you really went for it, didn’t you? Full Reddit rant mode... word vomit, smug overconfidence, wild speculation, and about as much legal comprehension as a TikTok conspiracy theorist on edibles. So let’s break this down with facts, since your post was allergic to them.

1. “Trump’s DOJ knew the court would never approve the release.”
Thanks for the legal hot take, Perry Mason. You know who doesn’t get to arbitrarily declassify or release grand jury material? The executive branch. It’s sealed by Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. You want it unsealed? You must go through the court, notify all relevant parties (including victims), and get approval. That’s exactly what Trump’s DOJ attempted to do.

So when you call that a “PR stunt,” you’re either exposing your ignorance or betting your audience is dumb enough not to know the law. Either way, it’s not a good look.

2. “The grand jury transcripts are just a minuscule part of the Epstein files.”
Ah yes, moving the goalposts. First, you demand release of “the Epstein files.” Then when the grand jury materials... arguably the most detailed, vetted part of the investigation... are on the table, you scoff because it doesn’t include a live-action DVD of Epstein’s flight log and Hillary on the tarmac. Do you even know what’s in those sealed transcripts? No, you don’t. But you’re certain they’re irrelevant because Trump requested them. That’s not critical thinking. That’s Pavlovian partisan barking.

3. “Trump tried to distract the public by releasing MLK files and ranting about Obama.”
Yeah, exposing FBI surveillance and government abuse of Martin Luther King Jr. = distraction. Got it. You’d think the party that still cries about COINTELPRO and J. Edgar Hoover would be thrilled about transparency... unless, of course, it’s politically inconvenient. And as for Obama... spying on a presidential campaign, falsifying FISA warrants, and weaponizing intelligence agencies is not a distraction. It’s actual criminal conduct. Read the Durham Report... you know, the one that confirmed Crossfire Hurricane was launched with no verified intel and was fueled by political bias.

4. “Trump was Epstein’s best friend.”
False. In fact, Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago before any of this was public, after he reportedly made a move on a staffer’s teenage daughter. Trump is literally the only person known to have helped build a case against Epstein, cooperating with prosecutors back in 2009. Meanwhile, Clinton? Flew on the Lolita Express 26 times, ditched Secret Service protection multiple times, and was photographed getting a neck rub from one of Epstein’s accusers. But sure... tell me again how Trump is the one acting suspicious.

5. “Cheeto Hitler.”
Oh good, a Holocaust reference. Always a great way to tell the world you’ve run out of arguments and started mainlining MSNBC brain rot. When your best rhetorical move is to scream “cultist” while acting like a deranged preacher at the Church of Maddow, it’s clear you’re not debating... you’re just coping.

6. “Trump will pardon Maxwell.”
Proof? None. Evidence? Zero. But hey, if you hallucinate it hard enough, maybe Joy Behar will say it next Tuesday and you’ll feel validated. Meanwhile, under Biden’s DOJ, not a single high-profile Epstein client has been indicted, charged, or named. Not one. The entire investigation is conveniently ice cold. And yet you’re still screaming about Trump, who isn’t even in office.

So here’s the bottom line:
You’re not mad about the lack of transparency. You’re mad Trump didn’t get perp-walked in handcuffs out of Mar-a-Lago based on your fever dream. You’re not seeking justice... you’re just emotionally invested in the idea that Trump must be guilty, and anything short of that is a “cover-up.”

If you actually wanted the Epstein files released, you’d be furious at every administration... including Obama’s and Biden’s... that had access and did nothing. But you’re not. Because you’re not interested in facts. You’re just another partisan muppet screeching into the void.

So yes, put me down for releasing every Epstein file. Every page. Every name. Every log. Let’s see who it burns... Trump, Clinton, Gates, whoever. But spare me your sanctimonious tantrum disguised as analysis. You’re not uncovering truth. You’re just desperate to hang onto a narrative that’s collapsing under the weight of actual facts.

Try again, muppet... maybe next time with less froth and more substance.

You don’t find it suspicious that in an effort to seem transparent after a lot of public pressure, they tried to go after the 1% of the files, etc that is least likely to legally be released?

 

[Dadar]

If a fraction of what I heard in a Juliet Bryant interview I just watched on YouTube is true, the Epstein story is far deeper than I thought. The biggest thing with trump seemed to be how he is currently being handled

She was compensated from both the epstein victims and jp morgan settlement funds

 

[LafayetteBear]

Trump Cultism is a disease, and it's both debilitating and difficult to shake. You have my condolences, Weapon_X.

Oh wow, you really went for it, didn’t you? Full Reddit rant mode... word vomit, smug overconfidence, wild speculation, and about as much legal comprehension as a TikTok conspiracy theorist on edibles. So let’s break this down with facts, since your post was allergic to them.

1. “Trump’s DOJ knew the court would never approve the release.”
Thanks for the legal hot take, Perry Mason. Well, I AM an attorney, so there's THAT. You know who doesn’t get to arbitrarily declassify or release grand jury material? The executive branch. It’s sealed by Rule 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. You want it unsealed? You must go through the court, notify all relevant parties (including victims), and get approval. That’s exactly what Trump’s DOJ attempted to do.

So when you call that a “PR stunt,” you’re either exposing your ignorance or betting your audience is dumb enough not to know the law. Either way, it’s not a good look. You're tripling down on this issue. Always a good look, and reminiscent of your Orange Master. Grand jury testimony is presumptively private. It can be unsealed under appropriate circumstances, and those circumstances must typically be compelling. Moreover, the consent of victims identified in grand jury proceedings must be generally be obtained. Trump's DOJ attorneys knew ALL of this, yet they did not even attempt to notify the victims that they were seeking a court order to make the subject grand jury testimony public. In other words, they knew when they filed for the subject court order that it would be turned down. But the Grifter in Chief was out there publicly ballyhooing his supposed transparency in the Epstein matter. ("I directed that the DOJ arrange for the Epstein grand jury testimony to be unsealed. See how transparent I am?") If you can't recognize that as a PR stunt, then you are a lost cause. Your orange tinted spectacles are just too powerful.

2. “The grand jury transcripts are just a minuscule part of the Epstein files.”
Ah yes, moving the goalposts. First, you demand release of “the Epstein files.” Then when the grand jury materials... arguably the most detailed, vetted part of the investigation... are on the table, you scoff because it doesn’t include a live-action DVD of Epstein’s flight log and Hillary on the tarmac. Do you even know what’s in those sealed transcripts? Epstein's infamous Birthday Book may possibly be mentioned in those grand jury transcripts, but the book itself is part of the larger totality of "the Epstein files." It is likely that the primary evidence concerning the various large payments made to Trump by wealthy visitors to Pedo Island (aka pedophiles) is also part of that larger totality. I want to see ALL of the Epstein files, not just the part the Grifter in Chief is willing to release. (Which, given that sham of a DOJ grand jury filing, we know to be zero.] No, you don’t. But you’re certain they’re irrelevant because Trump requested them. That’s not critical thinking. That’s Pavlovian partisan barking. Take off your tin foil hat and stop gaslighting for your Orange Master, and your claims of "partisan barking" will be a tad more credible.

3. “Trump tried to distract the public by releasing MLK files and ranting about Obama.”
Yeah, exposing FBI surveillance and government abuse of Martin Luther King Jr. = distraction. Got it. Glad to see that you agree with me. You’d think the party that still cries about COINTELPRO and J. Edgar Hoover would be thrilled about transparency... unless, of course, it’s politically inconvenient. And as for Obama... spying on a presidential campaign, falsifying FISA warrants, and weaponizing intelligence agencies is not a distraction. [Leaving aside the fact that Trump's (and therefore your) claims about Obama committing "treason" are laughable, the issue here is the timing. The release of the MLK JR. files, the lurid accusations that Obama committed treason, the Commanders/Redskins threat, the renewed saber rattling about tariffs, and other Trumpian pronouncements ALL occurred within a day or two of the Epstein shiat hitting the fan in a very public way. How coincidental!!, You do not even attempt to address this obvious attempt at distraction, but everyone who is not a committed Trump Cultist sees and acknowledges It.] It's actual criminal conduct. Read the Durham Report... you know, the one that confirmed Crossfire Hurricane was launched with no verified intel and was fueled by political bias.

4. “Trump was Epstein’s best friend.”
False. In fact, Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago before any of this was public, after he reportedly made a move on a staffer’s teenage daughter. Trump is literally the only person known to have helped build a case against Epstein, cooperating with prosecutors back in 2009. Meanwhile, Clinton? Flew on the Lolita Express 26 times, ditched Secret Service protection multiple times, and was photographed getting a neck rub from one of Epstein’s accusers. But sure... tell me again how Trump is the one acting suspicious. Yeah, they had nothing to do with each other. Too bad that assertion, upon even the most minute inspection, folds up faster than a cheap lawn chair. Read this article and educate yourself a bit: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ey-epstein-friendship-conspiracy/85307396007/ The various accounts of witnesses as to Trump's close friendship with Epstein are also buttressed by videos and photographs, such as the photograph of Epstein attending Trump's wedding to Marla Maples. And the video of Trump and Epstein laughing and leering at young women dancing at a party at Mar a Lago. Your attempts to sell a different narrative are hilarious, and essentially a form of self parody..

5. “Cheeto Hitler.”
Oh good, a Holocaust reference. Always a great way to tell the world you’ve run out of arguments and started mainlining MSNBC brain rot. When your best rhetorical move is to scream “cultist” while acting like a deranged preacher at the Church of Maddow, it’s clear you’re not debating... you’re just coping. U mad, bro? You'll need to get over this, as I have no plans to abandon that moniker for Donald Trump. After all, some of these Nazis are fine people.

6. “Trump will pardon Maxwell.”
Proof? None. Evidence? Zero. But hey, if you hallucinate it hard enough, maybe Joy Behar will say it next Tuesday and you’ll feel validated. Meanwhile, under Biden’s DOJ, not a single high-profile Epstein client has been indicted, charged, or named. Not one. The entire investigation is conveniently ice cold. And yet you’re still screaming about Trump, who isn’t even in office. Trump isn't in office? You sure you want to run with that?! And BTW, I did not say that Trump WILL for certain pardon Ghislaine Maxwell. No one knows for sure what will happen. But it certainly would not surprise me. He certainly has to offer her SOMETHING in order to extract assistance from her at this point. And what she is looking for is either a full pardon or a sentence commutation. Time will tell. If Trump grants either of these things, it will stink to high heaven, and few will be inclined to credit any testimony Maxwell provides thereafter.

So here’s the bottom line:
You’re not mad about the lack of transparency. You’re mad Trump didn’t get perp-walked in handcuffs out of Mar-a-Lago based on your fever dream. You’re not seeking justice... you’re just emotionally invested in the idea that Trump must be guilty, and anything short of that is a “cover-up.”

If you actually wanted the Epstein files released, you’d be furious at every administration... including Obama’s and Biden’s... that had access and did nothing. But you’re not. Because you’re not interested in facts. You’re just another partisan muppet screeching into the void. I have posted, repeatedly, my belief that ALL of the people who participated in the crimes at Pedo Island (or in any other location, such as Epstein's New York residence) should be named and held legally and politically accountable regardless of political affiliation or personal accomplishments. All of them. I would very much like to see that happen.

So yes, put me down for releasing every Epstein file. Every page. Every name. Every log. Let’s see who it burns... Trump, Clinton, Gates, whoever. But spare me your sanctimonious tantrum disguised as analysis. You’re not uncovering truth. You’re just desperate to hang onto a narrative that’s collapsing under the weight of actual facts.

Try again, muppet... maybe next time with less froth and more substance.

 

[firegiver]

Sure wish they'd release those files. But I guess the deep state is too big to fail now, sorry MAGA.

 

[dpic73]

Sure wish they'd release those files. But I guess the deep state is too big to fail now, sorry MAGA.

Who could trust them now that we know OBidillary manipulated them?