Malik ..

[BiscuitEater]

So .. What does this tweet mean for our chances .. pluses .. minuses?

@CourtneyRCronin: Per his father, uncommitted five-star guard Malik Newman won't take official visits before making his commitment http://t.co/YMbTSLcmMw.

 

[aTotal360]

Birds the word.

 

[Miss.Stake]

Definitely interesting. I can't see how it doesn't bode well for us. It says in the article he visited UK for one of their Madness events, how many other times has he been on their campus? We know he's been on ours several times over. Has he been on LSU's campus multiple times? Unless he just really doesn't care a whole lot about his short stint of campus / college life I think it says that he is pretty comfortable with wherever he intends to go. I really believe it's between us and UK. Howland and Calipari have the best and most proven track records of preparing players for the NBA out of anyone else he is seriously considering (which I mean is us, LSU, and UK)

 

[coach66]

Agree with most of your comment but Ole Miss is not going quietly into the

good night on this one. They are competing hard for his signature*

 

[CochiseCowbell]

Rage, rage against the dying of the light.*

 

[MSU'92]

I don't think Malik is hard up for money or white girl bj's so OM shouldn't be a threat.

 

[johnson86-1]

I don't think Malik is hard up for money or white girl bj's so OM shouldn't be a threat.

We're approaching 5 years (I think) from CJ's twitter comment. Just something to keep in mind when you think about how comments like this are likely to be interpreted and whether they will reflect more poorly on MSU or UM.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I don't think Malik is hard up for money or white girl bj's so OM shouldn't be a threat.

It doesn't matter how much you have of either of those two, there is never such thing as too much.

 

[coach66]

I have to agree*

nm

 

[DownDog]

Wonder if his commitment is to go overseas for a year?

 

[patdog]

I don't think so. By far the safer route to the NBA is to go to college. You send an 18-year old to Europe to compete against very good 22-35 year-old men and it'd be very easy for him to struggle and hurt his draft position, or even move himself out of the draft completely.

 

[MSUDawg25]

Your audience is usually more than whoever you intend it to be. That was CJ's mistake with the initial comment too.

 

[Confucius Say]

It doesn't matter how much you have of either of those two, there is never such thing as too much.

As long as you have plenty of the former, you can always get the latter

 

[RebelBruiser]

As long as you have plenty of the former, you can always get the latter

Highly valid point as well.

Back on topic, Malik and family are going to get compensated wherever he plays next year. It's just a matter of where. Top 100 basketball players don't come for free. It's just the nature of the beast.

That's one of the reasons I don't think we have a legitimate shot. Our booster network has never been very active or willing to get in very deep for basketball talent. We will for football players, but not for basketball. Maybe this time, Andy has found enough of them willing to help out, but history as my guide says not.

Yours, LSU's, and certainly UK's booster networks have proven willing to get into the business of college basketball in a big enough way to get in the game for top talent.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Yo Bruiser ..

It doesn't matter how much you have of either of those two, there is never such thing as too much.

You are a asshat ..

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Posts: 9057 Apr 13, 2015 8:39 AM Not an elite poster	We'll have at least 3 players from our 2013 class drafted before Jones comes off the board. He's a great player, and he could've been one of 4 or 5 early entry first rounders off our roster this year if not for a night before Signing Day over-market deposit.

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[121Josey]

Damn. Will you stop defending TSUN? Half the board is going to leave and form a circle jerk and call it ClitDAWGS.orgy**

 

[RebelBruiser]

I speak the truth, and I've said the same here.

You went over market with Leo and Chris Jones both. You may have landed both playing at market value, but both were valuable enough either to your staff or to your boosters to put down enough to lock it up no questions asked.

That's fine. We do that sometimes too. All part of the game, and yes I do believe that we had flipped Jones at market rates before the last minute deposit. No big deal. Just part of the game, and if you'll find some of my posts from around that time, I said all along that he was way too valuable to your class at that time for your boosters to let him go. With the better connections to his recruitment, and that, I didn't think there was any way we were going to be able to actually get his signature, because you were always going to have the option to get in last, and you had more motivation to make sure you landed that signature.

Again, just part of the game. Not hating on it at all, because I know we're playing too, and we've done the exact same to you in other scenarios.

Aside from that, what part of my post do you disagree with? Do you disagree with my evaluation of Jones's draft stock? At this point, I do think he'd likely to be a late first rounder, which would probably put him behind 3 of our 2013 signees. That's still a year away though, and injury and level of play can change a lot for all players. I don't think that opinion is offensive or outlandish at all.

Now, the rest of the stuff about the real side of recruiting does tend to get under people's skin. I'm not afraid to be candid about it, even though most people would prefer to stick their head in the sand about that part of the game. Bottom line, you aren't getting a top player in football or basketball for free. Most cases, a player's value is similar to all schools involved, so the money balances, and the player still makes his choice of school based on coach, comfort, etc.

However, there are schools that will overpay because they either value a player more at a given time, or some other reason. Auburn, from my understanding, is one of the biggest at doing this.

 

[Hammer Down]

Funniest part of this whole thing is that you think you have any clue about what is going on at all. You say/do whatever suits Ole Miss at the time. Your opinion changes as the wind blows. You are the sick kind of fan.

My advice? Take a step back and look at your life. I have heard many of the lunatic Auburn fringe tell me that after they won the national championship, they stepped back and had to seriously re-evaluate their lives because it was not all they hoped it would be. Of course, my retort was that you had to actually win something to think like that, but the point still rings true. I am seriously wondering what Ole Miss has ever done for you, besides take your money for a degree and sports entertainment? The degree is which you support/follow Ole Miss and justify anything that happens to them makes me think they are printing money for you or something. Either that or you are simply looking to antagonize. That being the case, just own it. Nobody here believes your crap anymore and it is getting downright predictable and boring. I mean, look at this:

You went over market with Leo and Chris Jones both. You may have landed both playing at market value, but both were valuable enough either to your staff or to your boosters to put down enough to lock it up no questions asked.

That's fine. We do that sometimes too. All part of the game, and yes I do believe that we had flipped Jones at market rates before the last minute deposit. No big deal. Just part of the game, and if you'll find some of my posts from around that time, I said all along that he was way too valuable to your class at that time for your boosters to let him go. With the better connections to his recruitment, and that, I didn't think there was any way we were going to be able to actually get his signature, because you were always going to have the option to get in last, and you had more motivation to make sure you landed that signature.

Again, just part of the game. Not hating on it at all, because I know we're playing too, and we've done the exact same to you in other scenarios.

Aside from that, what part of my post do you disagree with? Do you disagree with my evaluation of Jones's draft stock? At this point, I do think he'd likely to be a late first rounder, which would probably put him behind 3 of our 2013 signees. That's still a year away though, and injury and level of play can change a lot for all players. I don't think that opinion is offensive or outlandish at all.

Now, the rest of the stuff about the real side of recruiting does tend to get under people's skin. I'm not afraid to be candid about it, even though most people would prefer to stick their head in the sand about that part of the game. Bottom line, you aren't getting a top player in football or basketball for free. Most cases, a player's value is similar to all schools involved, so the money balances, and the player still makes his choice of school based on coach, comfort, etc.

However, there are schools that will overpay because they either value a player more at a given time, or some other reason. Auburn, from my understanding, is one of the biggest at doing this.

Highly valid point as well.

Back on topic, Malik and family are going to get compensated wherever he plays next year. It's just a matter of where. Top 100 basketball players don't come for free. It's just the nature of the beast.

That's one of the reasons I don't think we have a legitimate shot. Our booster network has never been very active or willing to get in very deep for basketball talent. We will for football players, but not for basketball. Maybe this time, Andy has found enough of them willing to help out, but history as my guide says not.

Yours, LSU's, and certainly UK's booster networks have proven willing to get into the business of college basketball in a big enough way to get in the game for top talent.

The whole thing just reeks of 'I (Ole Miss) am better than you (MSU)'. We get it, the only reason we ever do anything is because you allow it, or we pay. Dude, nobody cares, most people grow out of this **** when they turn 30. You just look like a douche masquerading as someone who knows how it works. Just go away. Come back when Ole Miss wins a game or something, at least then you will have some new and relevant material to parrot around, and you might have a shot of riling someone up.

 

[lasher8]

Yes...they are.

good night on this one. They are competing hard for his signature*

 

[lasher8]

Highly valid point as well.

Back on topic, Malik and family are going to get compensated wherever he plays next year. It's just a matter of where. Top 100 basketball players don't come for free. It's just the nature of the beast.

That's one of the reasons I don't think we have a legitimate shot. Our booster network has never been very active or willing to get in very deep for basketball talent. We will for football players, but not for basketball. Maybe this time, Andy has found enough of them willing to help out, but history as my guide says not.

Yours, LSU's, and certainly UK's booster networks have proven willing to get into the business of college basketball in a big enough way to get in the game for top talent.

I think you would be surprised on this one...

 

[LawDawg97]

So you're saying it's part of the game?

That's fine. We do that sometimes too. All part of the game...

No big deal. Just part of the game...

Again, just part of the game. Not hating on it at all, because I know we're playing too, and we've done the exact same to you in other scenarios.

If Malik had a dollar for every time you post this same stupid **** on here he could bypass it all and retire right now.

 

[JungRebel]

Please start posting evidence from this year or never post again on the subject. Despite speaking of only hypothetical physical events, you do share this with metaphysicians: you talk so much you forget you haven't provided a single fact.

 

[ShrubDog]

Hammer I approve what you said. Good stuff

 

[jmac.sixpack]

good night on this one. They are competing hard for his signature*

Buddy of mine finished playing golf at Jackson Country Club, and Horatio was in the 19th hole with a bunch of OM plaintiff attorneys.

 

[coach66]

Yep, gonna be a fight to the finish. Several

People saw that at the CC, pretty blatant, the usual tobacco lawsuit boys. After they left the CC they supposedly headed out to Madison County to the home of one of the attorneys. If those guys are involved we will not win unless Malik and Haratio just want to be at MSU.

 

[msstate7]

Malik's goal is to get to the nba, so I think we stack up well with OM. Anyone got a list of AK's nba players vs howland's?

 

[patdog]

If those guys are involved we will not win unless Malik and Haratio just want to be at MSU.

I know nothing about him or his situation personally, but I get the strong impression that his only goal is to be as high a draft pick as possible next year. If that means MSU, then we will sign him. If not, we won't.

 

[fishwater99]

Seriously?

 

[BossDawg78]

People saw that at the CC, pretty blatant, the usual tobacco lawsuit boys. After they left the CC they supposedly headed out to Madison County to the home of one of the attorneys. If those guys are involved we will not win unless Malik and Haratio just want to be at MSU.

I'd take their cash and still go to State. I figure Howland has a little more experience than Kennedy as far as a ticket to the pros. Not 100% sure, just a hunch. Anyway, I'm wondering how anyone can hang around a bunch of pompous, douchebag lawyers and get truly manipulated by their hot, shallow garbage. How is it that some people can't see straight through this pretentious farce they throw in everyone's faces? How can anyone hang around them and think, "Nah. These guys aren't buttering me up. They really do want me to be a part of their click!" If those guys are involved and we still can't win just because of who they are, then MSU might as well just shut down the athletic department.

 

[sbcmortgageman]

This is a stupid thread. OM is out and has been out of the equation. AK doesn't send folks to the league and Horatio isn't going to allow Malik to try it out. Malik is going to State.

 

[57stratdawg]

The reality is Leo trolled the hell out of OM, and now all we hear is about how we paid him off. blah blah blah. He was a MSU lean the whole time. Here is an unbiased ESPNInsider article from referencing information from a month before signing day.

No. 1 ranked inside linebacker Leo Lewis of Brookhaven (Mississippi) High School changed his commitment once from Alabama to Ole Miss and all indications are the four-star linebacker is about to have another change of heart.
1. Even though he switched his original commitment from Alabama to Ole Miss in late September, Lewis has been very open about his desire to look around at other schools. He's talked about taking visits to Mississippi State, LSU and Texas A&M, but three different coaching sources told me at this week's American Football Coaches Association convention they fully expect the nation's No. 45 player to sign with the Bulldogs on Feb. 4. Landing Lewis would be a huge boost for a Mississippi State class that ranks in the top 15 for the first time in more than a decade.

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

malik

all the malik camp wants is a plane. no money. HW wants to be able fly to every one of his games. Thats not a violation as i understand it. not a bad deal considering its a ride to each game, and its only for a year. that puts uk further out imo. ole miss is not a factor. imo, its down to lsu and msu. given the ties, i like our chances.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I think you would be surprised on this one...

I'm not as big into basketball, but it wouldn't be a bad thing if our boosters did decide to get involved on the basketball front. The fact that we're still even on Malik's list tells me we're ponying up for once. Enough? Probably not.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Not that at all Goat. I just don't pretend to live in a world where players choose my school without getting at least some incentive. Most people would prefer not to think about how the sausage is made. I just don't care.

I would've thought Godfrey's Bag Man article would've opened a few more eyes, because it was all true, and it certainly is for top basketball talent.

 

[Hammer Down]

Most people would prefer not to think about how the sausage is made.

We will not ever know, so it does not matter. You do not know either.

I just don't care.

No, WE do not care. You obviously do. A little too much. I hear a few things here or there about who got paid but it is now boring. Recruiting is boring.

I would've thought Godfrey's Bag Man article would've opened a few more eyes, because it was all true, and it certainly is for top basketball talent.

Anybody with a brain already knew all that ********.

Where you are a douche is the fact that you passive aggressively are attempting to instill in us the superiority of Ole Miss and the inferiority of MSU. Again, just own it. You would be more respected if you just came out and said that. I am pretty sure you are still a douche anyway, but at least you would be alright with yourself. Nobody agrees with you on that premise. Take a hint.

Now, carry on. I have done my good deed for the day.

 

[Hammer Down]

I'd take their cash and still go to State. I figure Howland has a little more experience than Kennedy as far as a ticket to the pros. Not 100% sure, just a hunch. Anyway, I'm wondering how anyone can hang around a bunch of pompous, douchebag lawyers and get truly manipulated by their hot, shallow garbage. How is it that some people can't see straight through this pretentious farce they throw in everyone's faces? How can anyone hang around them and think, "Nah. These guys aren't buttering me up. They really do want me to be a part of their click!" If those guys are involved and we still can't win just because of who they are, then MSU might as well just shut down the athletic department.

Maybe it is just me getting older, but I find it insane that all these rich elitist folks ***** themselves out over sports. Adding to that, how can any sane individual offer up thousands of their after-tax dollars to a bunch of football players? Blows my mind. Pursuit of power and control, I suppose.

 

[aTotal360]

Just know that if Newman comes to MSU, its ONLY because we paid him more than anyone else. The fact we have great facilities, a coach with a proven track record of putting people in the league, are also his father's alma mater, have recruited him since 7th grade and have a report with his entire family has NOTHING to do with him picking MSU. Absolutely. Nothing.

 

[mstateglfr]

Not that at all Goat. I just don't pretend to live in a world where players choose my school without getting at least some incentive. Most people would prefer not to think about how the sausage is made. I just don't care.

I would've thought Godfrey's Bag Man article would've opened a few more eyes, because it was all true, and it certainly is for top basketball talent.

how much does a Newman level player get typically?

 

[RebelBruiser]

Just know that if Newman comes to MSU, its ONLY because we paid him more than anyone else. The fact we have great facilities, a coach with a proven track record of putting people in the league, are also his father's alma mater, have recruited him since 7th grade and have a report with his entire family has NOTHING to do with him picking MSU. Absolutely. Nothing.

No, those things ALL come into play. Did you just skip half of my post? In fact, those types of things are USUALLY the deciding factors in a player's recruitment.

They typically choose the coach they like the best, the school they like the best, or the system they like the best...because they're going to get taken care of anywhere they choose.

That doesn't change the fact that you have to pay to play, especially for big time players.

I'm fully convinced Leo Lewis really liked MSU the best, but it doesn't change the fact that he was available if we wanted to up the ante to a high enough level to make it happen. If the money was even, he was going to go to MSU in my opinion.

So, no, you failed reading comprehension. The usual factors fans like to focus on DO matter, but money has to be a part of the equation for a player if he's good enough. The market demands it. Our boosters historically haven't had as much interest in playing the game in basketball, though I do know the guy who was Justin Reed's "advisor". It sounds like they're taking an interest in this one, though I'm betting Malik still ends up at MSU, because I doubt we'd put a sweet enough deal on the table to sway him.

I'd be much more concerned about Calipari and UK. He has a history with these things, and he can and will find a way to sweeten the pot just the right way to get what he needs.

Occasionally, yes, a school will go well over market for a player to essentially buy a signature, but that's not normally the case. Usually a market rate is more or less set based on the demand for the player, and once the guys behind the scenes do their deal for the involved schools, the player still gets to make his pick based on all the attributes that matter the most to fans.

 

[aTotal360]

Just like everyone else, I did skip half your post.