Man sticking up for his rights...
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I have no issue with having a right to vote. I do have issue with their assaulting a man for walking down the street proudly supporting an opposing view point.
Being annoying but less annoying than the people around you isn't something to hang your hat on. In the absence of some kind of permit, which I'm pretty sure none of these people had, nobody has the right to walk down the street.
It wouldn't surprise me if we see all kinds of stuff like that during the campaign this fall.
It wouldn't surprise me if we see all kinds of stuff like that during the campaign this fall.
I mean "street" literally. They weren't on the sidewalk or a public square where people gather. They were on the street where cars are supposed to be. You need some kind of permit for that. As I understand it the anti-Trump folks just took over a street during that.
One of those cases where both sides are wrong. He had as much right to be in that street as the anti-Trump crowd did, and he has a right to support Trump. The idiot in black got what he deserved when he tripped over the barricade while walking backwards trying to start something with him, and his buddies had no business going after the Trump guy, and every one of them who put their hands on him should have been arrested and charged with assault and battery. On the other hand I have no doubt that the Trump guy went into the middle of the crowd looking to provoke a response.
Weren't you right wingers saying, just the other day, that if a VT fan came to a WVU game cheering for VT when WVU wasn't even playing VT and did it in the middle of the WVU section, they should expect to get roughed up? Yeah, I thought so.
Didn't I say or at least imply the non-Trump people were worse than that Trump guy? Although I think Hillary is going to win in November I think one thing that could change things is if we see scenes like that where the Hillary people are out- crazying the Trump people.
Sooo, by out-crazying them, you mean assaulting them verbally and physically? It looked like most of the individuals were minorities, he was most assuredly a white man, were these hate crimes? Were the individuals assaulting him racists as their contention was most assuredly based in racial basis?
I'm just trying to capture this accurately.
Did you listen to the tape near the end? Young girl saying, "Get the *** outta here, Get th.... ." And she keeps going on. Is that word part of the young females everyday vernacular? I hear it used more and more by the fairer sex. Hearing it from a bunch of coal miners about to enter a mine is not uncommon for me. But out in public by young women?
They should expect it, as this guy should have expected to get assaulted. Does that make it legal or even ok? Come on man, where is your outrage?
Uh.... it WAS a VT game dumbass.
But there is a HUGE difference between a rally in a stadium or arena meant for a particular purpose versus walking down the middle of a public street.
Outrage from roads? Please.... [roll]
I guess that's what he means, since we all know that Trump supporters would never stoop to violence, nor would he encourage his supporters to punch anybody.[eyeroll]
Yes, assaulting them verbally and physically is out-crazying the Trumpers, although if the Trumpers start framing it in racial terms like you're doing then the Trumpers are going to re-take the lead in out-crazying.
People berating a guy for wearing a Trump hat is loses the sane voter. But the people on Trumps side framing that as a racial issue loses the sane voter too because, and this is key, many of the "sane voters" are non-white. It's 2016 and it is very, very hard to win a national election with just the white vote. You have to get respectable percentages of the non-white vote too and making things White vs Non-White loses the non-white voters.
I didn't listen to the audio, but it has no bearing anyway - vulgar speech is just words, no matter how much it may shock one to hear it coming from a young woman. None of them had any business putting their hands on the man.
Trump supporters destroying Police vehicles? Still punching people in the face?
You had one old Trump support punch a guy in the face. One.
Meanwhile scenes of mayhem supported by the left are becoming more and more common place at Trump rallies... and it's still somehow Trump's fault. Ab-fuc#ing-surd.
Trump supporters destroying Police vehicles? Still punching people in the face?
You had one old Trump support punch a guy in the face. One.
Meanwhile scenes of mayhem supported by the left are becoming more and more common place at Trump rallies... and it's still somehow Trump's fault. Ab-fuc#ing-surd.
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We don't really communicate well. I was not offering, in any way, that there was a connection between molesting the man physically and the young woman yelling, "***". I was amused that an older man could walk into a crowd with the intent to antagonize and the worst thing the younger people were willing to do was sneak up behind him and steal his cap and run. Also amazed that the older man acted like he would enjoy a little bit of contact with the young hoodlums.
My main criteria for this election cycle was to support a candidate that could unite.
Maybe 2020 it will happen.
Maybe 2020 it will happen.
Don't hold your breath. Liberals and conservatives have different ideologies and they won't change. However, after the GOP disaster this election cycle, maybe they as a party will change, to a certain extent, and you might have a majority that becomes more centrist. I think you'll always have the religious right extreme but maybe they become a smaller portion of the party.
Were they screaming racial slurs? I certainly didn't hear them. It's very clear their violence wasn't based on race; it was because he was wearing the Trump hat, the one they kept taking from him and throwing in the air and the fact the he chanted "Trump, Trump, Trump".
Now, if they had yelled "you honkey bastard" etc. as they punched him, you would have an argument.
Pretty sure they were calling him a racist piece of ****, a fvcking racist, I heard white piece of ****, etc.
I honestly can't understand how you can be so dismissive of this type of behavior. Especially with your stance on the single incident in which 1 guy was punched at 1 Trump rally.
I'm not being dismissive. I said I don't condone violence because someone is expressing the right to free speech. If they said he was a "racist", that's not a hate crime. If they said he was a "piece of ****", that's not a hate crime. If they said he was a "white piece of ****", that is a hate crime. I didn't hear that, but if you heard it, I believe you and agree with you.
LOL...so an avid Trump supporter walks through an anti-Trump crowd chanting 'Trump' and we're surprised at the outcome. It's called 'baiting'.
A truly selective liberal offering a position based on HIS sense of values. The older gentleman had the constitutional right to state his preference without violating RIGHTS of others. The living, breathing element of the constitution actually is not that flexible to allow anarchists to decide the "baiting" charges gives those in disagreement the right to accost the man verbally and physically.
If you are playing the part of a "crowd psych" you are going to be busy in the coming days attempting to explain on a fair and balanced basis. Or are you suggesting you can offer an unbiased analysis in your newfound position?
It's already is ugly. Trump's campaign is confrontational, divisive and he's made a lot of enemies. This isn't liberal issue, conservative issue or any other political moniker you can think of. There are lots of people (on both sides) that simply hate Trump.
When a WV fan walks through a Pitt tailgate chanting 'Let's Go Mountaineers', you'll get similar results. Strength in numbers invites confrontation from the more numerous party. This is crowd psychology 101.
Damned if I can sympathize with Trump being hated when it is suggested that everyone has or should have me on the "block" list. My world is being shattered on this board and my alleged super hero politician is being dissed. Damn, how could things be worse? Trump is being removed from consideration today in Indiana. My whole world in one day. Woah is me.
You need a better analogy. There aren't enough Pitt fans at most games to have a numbers advantage in that situation.