Man, Whit Waide's article has really gotten under the Reb's skin.....

RebelBruiser

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About once every 2-3 years he writes this exact piece with an Ole Miss flavor.

If you replace all the MSU references with Ole Miss references, it would be just like one of those pieces, and your boards would be tearing it up.

That's all it is, an off-season fluff piece. I've seen it before from both Gene and Chuck in slightly different formats.
 

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<span><span id="temp-1"></span></span><span>Nice ponytail, S&H

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If I had a student above the 10th grade turn this in as an example of a persuasive essay, I would fail him for factual inaccuracies, lack of critical thinking, and relying too much on anecdotal information that could not be proven to make his point.

That's all well and good if you're Chuck or Gene or Yancy or Paul...but it's kind of pathetic for a professor. But what do I know? I'm just one of those elitist high school teachers who sleeps on a bed of hundred dollar bills.
Well he did finish near the bottom of his class at OLE MISS LAW SCHOOL. And that's a fact.
 

WutheringDawg

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I don't think I've ever seen anyone fulfill the role of pretentious elitist quite like Syd and Harrys. I think the true irony in this thread is your having Allen Ginsberg-- or David Cross, I suppose, as your avatar.
 

bonedaddy401

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In trying to come offobviouslymoreintelligentthan youapparentlyare you are driving home part of his article. We don't want to be you and you will never understand why. You and your university have your place in Mississippi and so do we. You represent the past and we represent the future. You represent the minority of Mississippians and we represent the majority. Plain and simple.<div>
</div><div>I placeemphasis<i style="font-weight: bold; ">part [/i]because that was that was addressed in a small section of the overall article. You, Joe Rebel Fan, took the time to read the whole thing. You must care a lot more about us than you care to admit. I guess thats what happens when you pee down you leg and then we rub your face it.</div>
 

xxxWalkTheDawg

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Syd and Harrys said:
He won't be fired immediately, but if he's in a tenure-track position and comes before the review board with less actual professional publications than he should have, he'll be in hot water for producing such drivel.

Assuming he is, he'll be held to a standard for professors and their professional expectations more like mine than yours.


Oh get over yourself. Shall someone print out your posts and hand them to your employer or clients? It's an article on a sports website. Obviously a fair one since you and the other nafoomers not only don't care about the article, you have to read it and make damn sure you have talking points on here to explain why you don't care what it says.


Since you know so much about tenure. Why don't you shoot him a properly written letter on what it takes. Use the good paper to show how the UM alum should do it and also so it will be more comfortable when he wipes his *** with it.
 

Syd and Harrys

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You had to know that was coming.

Seriously,as toyour questions,thepreference for OOS schools forMississippi's elite is fairly evident after the close of the Civil War and Jefferson. It would be an interesting study for someone to analyze theenrollments of the collegein sample years to find the answer. I would hope such rolls still exist.
 

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You people realize that his "poor english" is because of your school right? He went to Ole Miss law, and has never been a student at MSU. <div>
</div><div>ETA: For those that have had his class or heard the man speak, this article probably makes more sense. His lectures are drenched in sarcasm and pokes people just to see a reaction. You have to take a lot of this for what it is: and that is him having fun, representing his university, and trying to keep a fan base moving in the right direction. He isn't writing this to be published in the academic world (He has at least one textbook for that already). He is writing this in his free time because he wants to. This isn't to show off his writing skills. He did exactly what he meant to do.</div>
 

Syd and Harrys

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Gene, his minions, and other sunshine-pumpers write such things about MSU every day that I don't read. In fact, this is probably the only MSU sports-related article that I will read this entire academic year/sports season.

I'm dumb, but I'm not ignorant. Dumb to keep responding when I even said that if you believed that this was appropriate for a faculty member, I couldn't help you.

But thanks for parroting the current MSU folklore about your origins and your present.
 

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in that. Writing is an art as much as a science. The factual errors have been highlighted already, so I'll stick to the lack of critical thinking and the anecdotal evidence:

Critical thinking:

Having a "hillbilly" working in a mill as the last image in a commercial as the representative of what Mississippi State is all about is absurd. A political science professor should understand what a Mississippi hillbilly represents to the rest of the nation. Anyone viewing such a commercial will probably not think, "Oh the noble Mississippi farmer who rises with the sun to toil on the land and feed the masses!" People would think, "There's an uneducated, racist, ignorant yokel." It's not hard to arrive at this conclusion.

Anecdotal evidence: He uses the example of the drunken frat boy in the Grove mooing at State fans as an example of how much different State is from Ole Miss. This is lazy writing relying on stereotypes to emphasize a point. Anecdotal evidence is weak, weak, weak.

Finally, the author writes that the people of State are honorable, good, and true and they "do what Jesus said to do." This after clearly stating that the people of Ole Miss are not like the people of State. This is an appeal to raw emotion and the sentiment that "we are really better than them...we are honorable and good and true and we do what Jesus says." These are glittering generalities that cannot be proven.

So, yes, it is an awful example of a persuasive essay. I know nothing about the man who wrote it, but the piece of writing is poor. He might be the greatest professor in the world, but he's an awful writer. He might be the second coming of F. Lee Bailey, but he's a terrible writer. He might have been the smartest guy in the history of Millsaps, but he's a terrible writer.

There's no way around it. Any English teacher in America will tell you that this article is crap.
 

bonedaddy401

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1. He wasn't exactly pumping sunshine. We are more diverse and have a much larger in state student body. Saying we represent the state of Mississippi more so that Ole Miss is fact. The numbers are there to prove it.<div>
</div><div>2. You don't have to inform the world on how many MSU sports related articles you plan on reading this academic year. Nobody gives a ****.</div><div>
</div><div>3. Pretty sure you are dumb and ignorant. Dumb to keep posting and ignorant to what kind of school you cheer for or cheer against.</div><div>
</div><div>I would think as an Ole Miss fan you would try and steer clear of the typical Ole Miss snob stereotype. I think we all know Ole Miss fans who are for the most part just like us. You are the type that even your own fans hate because you continue to fuel the stereotype most of your fan base tries to dismiss.</div><div>
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PONYfun

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I dont know if the bottom of the class part is true, but he had a very lucrative career working "near the capitol" before he started teaching here. Critics of this article should sit in on one of his lectures. I think things would make much more sense.
 

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Skink said:
in that. Writing is an art as much as a science. The factual errors have been highlighted already, so I'll stick to the lack of critical thinking and the anecdotal evidence:

Critical thinking:

Having a "hillbilly" working in a mill as the last image in a commercial as the representative of what Mississippi State is all about is absurd. A political science professor should understand what a Mississippi hillbilly represents to the rest of the nation. Anyone viewing such a commercial will probably not think, "Oh the noble Mississippi farmer who rises with the sun to toil on the land and feed the masses!" People would think, "There's an uneducated, racist, ignorant yokel." It's not hard to arrive at this conclusion.

Anecdotal evidence: He uses the example of the drunken frat boy in the Grove mooing at State fans as an example of how much different State is from Ole Miss. This is lazy writing relying on stereotypes to emphasize a point. Anecdotal evidence is weak, weak, weak.

Finally, the author writes that the people of State are honorable, good, and true and they "do what Jesus said to do." This after clearly stating that the people of Ole Miss are not like the people of State. This is an appeal to raw emotion and the sentiment that "we are really better than them...we are honorable and good and true and we do what Jesus says." These are glittering generalities that cannot be proven.

So, yes, it is an awful example of a persuasive essay. I know nothing about the man who wrote it, but the piece of writing is poor. He might be the greatest professor in the world, but he's an awful writer. He might be the second coming of F. Lee Bailey, but he's a terrible writer. He might have been the smartest guy in the history of Millsaps, but he's a terrible writer.

There's no way around it. Any English teacher in America will tell you that this article is crap.

I notice that you use plain, simple language, short words and brief sentences. That is the way to write English - it is the modern way and the best way. Stick to it; don't let fluff and flowers and verbosity creep in. When you catch an adjective, kill it. No, I don't mean utterly, but kill most of them - then the rest will be valuable. They weaken when they are close together. They give strength when they are wide apart. An adjective habit, or a wordy, diffuse, flowery habit, once fastened upon a person, is as hard to get rid of as any other vice.
- Mark Twain - March 1880
 

xxxWalkTheDawg

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********. You read the article just because it was written by a professor? What the hell ever. Tell us some good research you have went over lately from anywhere since you have a hobby of reading faculty research.
 

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I'm suprised that you read a sports board, much less and MSU sports board.

Thank you for sharing your opinions with us.
 

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From all directions. And I am enjoying it thoroughly.

 

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It's not an op-ed piece in the school newspaper. He's been paid to write a one-sided article in a dedicated MSU sports internet recruiting web site. Did a pretty good job of it also.

I guess you think a Baptist preacher should be theologically accomodating to all religions also. Sheesh</p>
 

MSUCostanza

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Greatly exemplifies why we State fans hate you arrogant 17tards.

The entire purpose of the article was to be a "rah-rah" piece. He didn't write that for a research journal. If he did, your "point" (I use the term loosely) would be valid. He wrote an article for the specific purpose of cheerleading his state and his university. His article served its purpose well. Leave it to a stuffy, pretentious, arrogant TSUN fan to try to correlate an article written for fun to a man's research in his profession.
 

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They are two different words. If a poster wants to criticize someone elses writing they should show a mastery of writing themselves don't you think?
 
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Syd and Harrys said:
I'll preface this by saying I don't surf many sports sites, so I've only seen Nafoom's reaction. Obviously, I can't speak for everyone's reaction to this nor would I want to.

In the article, you have copious use of stereotyping, lack of an accurate understanding of current state issues, not to mention the timeline problems that your board has already mentioned. He demonstrates only groupthink and boosterism, which you might want in the diehard fan (it's demonstrated quite well in the responses posted to the article), but do you really want this from a faculty member at MSU?

I would be horrified if one of the professorate at OM had written such an article; I'm embarrassed for you. If I were his chair, I would seriously question his ability to lead a class at a research-based institution. If this is what you consider appropriate behavior from a faculty member, I can't help you.

It has nothing to do with being a "fan" and being a professor. It's wonderful that he's a fan, goes to games, and is active on campus. In fact, I think that if it were written by Gene no one would have batted an eye, but the fact that such hogwash (and that's what it is, be it written by someone from OM or MSU) was generated by one of your professors is shameful.</p>


questioning the guys ability to be a professor based on that article? holy ****, you are an idiot....I hope I never have to work with anyone in life as dumb as you....
 

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with some of the people that have come through here. You are a 17ing idiot. I pray to god you have no children.
 

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I thought it was pathetic that your former Chancellor sent a letter in support of a criminal who has now been convicted of federal crimes and sentences to serve at a correctional facility on university letterhead. Now that is pathetic and shameful. What this professor did amounts to nothing compared to that.

Another pathetic thing: youBearsthink we actually care what you think. I could care less. This professor could have written one sentence as follows and I would have been happy with it: the Bears stink and I despise them. I would not have critiqued it according to rules of grammar or his level of education and his position, rather I would have been happy that he stated the truth that the Bears are terrible and left it at that. You Bears are always coming over here and telling us how we should feel. We don't care what you think. The fact that you morons are constantly coming over here and telling us what our opinion should be shows the arrogance you Bears hold over poor old MState. Do us a favor: crawl back into that hole you crawled out of also known as nafoom and stick to discussing which of the 20 quarterbacks you have on roster is going to lead the Bears back to glory this year.
 

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if it is written by aprofessor? Regardless of the subject matter? ********, you are just another obsessed Confederate.
 

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missed the fact that he's a political science teacher. It's ironic that he has "Bookfarmer" above his door, and no, he's not going to be the best person to write an article. But I challenge any Ole Miss alum, student, or just fan to find a better teacher. Between him, Shoup, and all the older guys, I love the political science department. Waide legitimately loves Mississippi State University and holds his own as far as support. He's not an even a tenured professor and he has his say in the athletic department all he wants (him and Striklin seem to be bff).

Do yall follow his tweets? There was one a while back that said "From a TSUN colleague of mine: I feel like MSU eagled a hole that Ole Miss shot a double bogey on."

All I'm saying is I don't think anyone should doubt his brilliancy. Guy is a genius. He LOVES that yall hate him.