Mark Pope versus ranked teams
- Thread starter TheResistance
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Thanks, but it's too early in the day to get depressed.
Regular Season:
Bill Self: 6-7
Nate Oats: 12-10
Dusty May: 7-5
Tommy Lloyd: 10-4
John Calipari: 7-10
Jon Scheyer: 8-3
Kelvin Sampson: 7-4
Todd Golden: 7-5
Mark Few: 6-4
Fred Hoiberg: 6-4
Rick Barnes: 10-6 (2 of his losses were to Pope)
Dan Hurley: 10-3
Scott Drew: 3-11
Kevin Young: 4-4
Mark Byington: 6-7
Chris Beard: 3-10
TJ Otzelberger: 6-4
Wow, that list is surprising... you would think there would be more than 2 guys (Hurley, Scheyer) with better resumes vs ranked opponents.
It’s almost like playing ranked opponents is difficult. Posting an almost .500 versus ranked teams doesn’t seem bad. Now, if it was 6-14 that would be something.
Well, I can see why mitch wanted Scott Drew
I never understood why we didn’t go after Lloyd last year. After it appeared that Oats wasn’t going to come he was my biggest want. Maybe because he’s a west coast guy?
“He only wanted Scott Drew because of his religion” - Every random message board poster, ignores national championship.
Tommy Lloyd was probably the biggest surprise on the list to me.
Beard and Drew were on the negative side of my shock.
Not ignoring it, not a random poster, and not impressed with Drew.
I’m not either but I also wasn’t saying the only reason Mitch wanted him is religion. I’d be about as excited having Scott Drew as coach as I would to have tofu breakfast everyday for the next 364 days. Those are two different things altogether.
Same fans
1. Why didn’t we get a coach with a resume?
2.) Go after the coach with the best resume available? It’s because of his religion
Agreed. The same stupid "reasoning" is used to characterize Pope's hiring - because he's a religious person. Not saying his resume was/is great, either.
A lot of coaches struggle with ranked teams. The issue for me is almost always getting down double digits.
Even when we have won it seems like we had to mount a furious comeback n some games.
Even when we have won it seems like we had to mount a furious comeback n some games.
His being a captain of a former championship team was clearly a big deal to Mitch. And I agree with fans that he didn’t have the resume to coach here. Once he was hired though, I’m committed to trying my best to give him a fair shake.
I wasn't thrilled initially, but I desperately want him to succeed, for all of us. I don't want to see one of ours go down in flames.
One of the strongest arguments for keeping Pope is that he beat a lot of really good teams last year. That seems compelling until you realize he actually has a losing record against ranked teams. Most of the coaches on the list posted above at least have a winning record. I honestly don't see Pope's record against ranked teams getting any better the rest of the conference schedule this year. I could be wrong though.
Here is a bit of BYU Mormon basketball trivia:
BYU men's basketball coach Kevin Young is related to Brigham Young: he is the great-great-great-great-grandson of Brigham Young's youngest brother, Lorenzo Dow Young, making Brigham Young his fourth great-uncle, and connecting him to the university's namesake through a significant family lineage.
BYU men's basketball coach Kevin Young is related to Brigham Young: he is the great-great-great-great-grandson of Brigham Young's youngest brother, Lorenzo Dow Young, making Brigham Young his fourth great-uncle, and connecting him to the university's namesake through a significant family lineage.
This is accurate! Drew had 1 great season at Baylor which was also the Covid year where everything was out of whack.
Mitch wants a religious coach regardless of whether they can win or not.
Exactly. Like Mark Stoops and Billy Gillispie. And he hired a Mormon despite his conservative religious views that view it as outside of orthodoxy. Makes sense.
Let's see BCG and Stoops square off in a bourbon drink off
No...but losing by an average of 15 points over 11 games is a rough look. It's one thing to get beat. It's another to not be competitive. That's the concern for me.
Very fair. My concern has been the lack of adjustments that allowed the gap to widen in those games.
This is another one of those instances where this board thinks a “problem” is UK coach specific when the reality is it’s something every coach and program struggled with. A lot of people here simply don’t know because they don’t follow other programs like the do UK (obviously).
It’s not exactly the record that bothers me because ranked teams are usually good, it’s how we lose.
Lots of parity now with NIL rosters. Nobody can stack talent in the wings as easy. Kansas used to have guys you didn’t know of that came out and were AA the next year almost every year.
Bruh I thought the same thing. Look at who stands out on this list. Mitch is a fool.
No that’s not how you do things.
Example, you find BCG’s record in the same timeframe as Pope and you put the records side-by-side, ignoring all context so that it sounds rational when you say Pope is the worst coach in the history of mankind. If you don’t do it precisely that way, you’re the problem. Pay attention to how things are done or the mob will be after you next.
nah, then the data would be too good (even then the sample sizes are small, but it would be better).
As it is…I’ll take, “Lying using statistics for $300, Alex”
I brought up Lloyd and Oats as my top 2 coaches when it was evident Hurley and Jay Wright weren’t options and I was eviscerated on here for it . EVISCERATED I tell ya !
Hello Kitty is responsible for a lot of time wasted in my life:
Pope 2024-25 v. Top-25:
Home: 3-2
Away: 3-2
Neutral: 2-0
Overall: 8-4
Tournament: 0-2 (#5 Alabama, #6 Tennessee)
2025-26:
Home: 0-1
Away: 0-2
Neutral: 1-2
Overall: 1-5
Regular season: 9-9
Im still not completely back to 100%,lol.