Mark Stoops nearing "Dead Man Walking" status

UKErik

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Whenever things go south for a head coach, there's a tipping point, a point of no return (more or less). For Mark Stoops, that time is quickly approaching. Thirty-eight games into his tenure, we're getting a good idea of where we are and where we're going. A few thoughts on Stoops and Kentucky football;

HOW DID WE GET HERE?
Stoops is in year #4. Frankly, virtually nothing was expected of him until now. And unfortunately, that's what he's produced. Stoops has had a number of close calls (a couple against Florida and U of L come to mind), but UK couldn't come through. Unless you count the road win over a poor South Carolina team, there have been no great wins. By UK standards, he's done a good job on the recruiting trail. Unfortunately, that isn't paying off in the win column. So here we are in year #4 sitting at 0-2 and looking putrid in the process. Today, Kentucky wasn't remotely competitive.

WHY HAVE THINGS GONE SO POORLY?
Football junkies like myself love to analyze every aspect of the game and team. Honestly though, there are two main reasons things aren't working out (IMO anyway). One, Kentucky can't find a QB. UK hasn't had a good one since Andre Woodson. Towles wasn't the answer. Barker is off to a VERY slow start (he looks woefully overwhelmed to me). Two, maybe most problematic is UK's lack of talent on the line of scrimmage. The offensive line is awful. The defensive line is awful. Not only is that not going to change in '16, it isn't likely to change in '17. In addition to the lack of quality Jimmy's and Joe's, Stoops has gone through offensive coordinators like U of L recruits go through hookers. There seemed to be a disconnect between Neal Brown and Stoops. That disconnect seemed worse between Shannon Dawson and UK's head coach. Now Eddie Gran has the gig. And no SEC quality QB (IMO). In fairness to the QB's, the constant OC changeover has almost certainly hindered their ability to develop.

IS IT POSSIBLE THAT STOOPS COULD STILL TURN THINGS AROUND?
Yes, but opportunities are fading! If you've seen the 2017 schedule, you know there's little chance Stoops gets to six wins. That means his best chance at a bowl is this year. UK isn't beating Louisville. Or Alabama. Or Tennessee. That leaves seven games. I'm not even sure how many of those seven are truly winnable, but the odds of this football team going 6-1 in those seven contests seem longer than Hillary Clinton's deleted e-mail list. So big picture, if Stoops fails to win six this season, he's probably looking at five straight losing campaigns. Considering fans are already losing interest, odds seem long that he'll survive past 2017 (IF he goes 5-7 or worse this season).

SO THAT LEAVES US WHERE?
Well, this is the part of each coaching tenure that we just have to endure. Mark Stoops isn't likely to win six games this year. On top of that, attendance at Commonwealth is going to absolutely plummet. If those things are both accurate, he's done at Kentucky (because he isn't winning six games next year). It's just a matter of when the clock runs out. Kind of like today's game, the Stoops tenure is going to be over long before the final gun. So when does the final gun sound?

THE CONTRACT
Mitch Barnhart needs to be held to task for the contract he gave Mark Stoops. Guaranteeing that much money to a guy that had accomplished absolutely nothing as a head coach equals complete and total incompetence. As for the contract, it's brutal. If Kentucky fires Mark Stoops before December 1st of next year, they owe him a ludicrous $12 million. I don't see Kentucky eating that much contract, EVEN IF/WHEN attendance falls off a cliff. If they fire him after next December 1st, they'll still owe him a little over $6 million.

SO HOW WILL THINGS SHAKE OUT?
IMHO, it couldn't be more obvious that Mark Stoops is in way over his head. His game management has been awful. UK's sideline seems as much like a circus as anything else. Four years into the Stoops era looks an awful lot like the Joker Phillips era. Hence, it's just a matter of time before Stoops is fired. I don't think there's a chance in hell UK eats $12 million though, so I'm guessing next year will be his last in Lexington. And honestly, who knows. That STILL requires Kentucky to eat over SIX MILLION dollars of contract (and that's just for the head coach; not sure what the contract status is among the rest of the staff).

GBB!!!
 
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Shavers48

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I agree w those saying he's already there. can't think of a single instance where it got this bad for a coach and they came back
 

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ukbob, IMO, Kentucky should hire a football AD at the end of this season (or tomorrow; just need to get it done). Mitch Barnhart's decision(s) to hire a head coach on training wheels back-to-back is unforgivable. IMHO, he should have zero input in the next coaching hire.

GBB!!!
 

UKErik

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blueBallz, I mentioned that the constant switches at OC has hindered QB development. No doubt, that's an issue. As for quality of coaches, we've had three OC's in four years. They seem to do pretty well everywhere but UK.

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mdlUK.1

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Is there any way to negotiate a smaller buyout? Take $6 million now and still have a chance to coach somewhere else?
 

ukalumni00

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Said in another thread that if UK wants to keep this fanbase they fire Stoops when he gets back to Lexington, names Gran interim HC, gathers the money folks and finds a way to take care of the buyout, forms a committee, and either fires Mitch or permanently remove him from any related to the football program. Only then will I think they are serious about being something else other than a basketball school.
 

LadyCaytIL

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I think Mitch is praying for a basketball title this year. because boosters didnt donate that much towards football for this...... and definitely not for Mitch to just sit back and watch this train wreck
 

K_TIME

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2017 – $3.75 million

2018 – $4.0 million

2019 – $4.25 million

The way I see it...UK owes him 12M if they don't want him to coach the 2017 team. If they wait a year to fire him it's still 8.25M to not coach 2018 and 2019. UK is going to eat some serious cash no matter how you slice it.

The bottoming out is multiple things but the major one by far is player development is so bad with Stoops.
- The QB spot has been a mess and Towles had moments and then reverted (then we lose him). Barker is going to be a major task to get him SEC QB ready.
- THe DL kids have simply been a miss more than not. Elam is a massive miss. Hatcher was a huge miss...we needed a playmaker at Jack LB spot. Dubose is in his 3rd year..and nothing yet. And so many JUCO gambles...those don't always pan out.
- The OL is decent up the middle and a mess on the tackles. Why kids like Krok, Richardson, Larubio, etc...leave vs. able to play on this bad OL is head scratcher. Stenberg moving to guards vs. tackle is a hurt. Leavitt must be a massive miss if he can't play on this OL.

THe last item is the 3-4 scheme was a Stoops brother mis-read. It isn't really setting the world on fire in Oklahoma...and it's totally a dumpster fire in Lexington. I'd almsot put it in a coaching contract we'll have no more of this scheme at UK. It has been a total fiasco every single coach that has tried it.

Stoops is done at UK...it's a matter of time now. Attendance is going to bottom out. But the bigger issue is talent is going to start declining. His best class are now Jrs and the current recruits will bail (it's a foregone conclusion)..and the next coach will take over a talent issue once he gets here and will have to yet again...re-recruit to a 4-3 vs. 3-4 scheme. So might as well dial into UK football around 2019 at earliest to be relevant...Great job Mitch!
 

UKErik

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Is there any way to negotiate a smaller buyout? Take $6 million now and still have a chance to coach somewhere else?

mdlUK.1, that is absolutely a possibility, but not likely. I doubt Mark Stoops gives away that much money. He isn't getting another head coaching gig anytime soon. Kentucky is his lifetime huge payday.

GBB!!!
 
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UKErik

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K_Time, good post. BTW, if UK fires him after December 1st of 2017, they'll owe him 80% of those last two years. So somewhere in the $6-6.5 million range. Still a boatlod.

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Is there any way to negotiate a smaller buyout? Take $6 million now and still have a chance to coach somewhere else?
That's kind of what I was hoping. I can't see a coach wanting to stay and be hated the way he is.
 

UKfan2151

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I don't think UK will have any choice but to fire him after this season, $12 million buyout or not. And the simple fact that there is a $12 million buyout at all should also mean Barnhart gets sent packing right alongside Stoops. They are both equally incompetent and should not be given another minute to contaminate this program any further by their presence.
 

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I'm not sure there is much of a difference to uk athletics between paying him 12 million over 42 months starting this December versus paying him a lump sum of 6.6 million between next December and next February.
 

ScrewDuke1

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I think he is done. He won't be the coach next year IMO.
Agreed. Barnhart is a dope but even he would know nobody will show up next year if Stoops was brought back. Paying Stoops 12 mil will be a piss in the ocean compared to what they'll lose when no fans show up next year.
 
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tntuk

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I'm not sure there is much of a difference to uk athletics between paying him 12 million over 42 months starting this December versus paying him a lump sum of 6.6 million between next December and next February.
It's a difference of 6 million dollars. That's a pretty big difference if you ask me.
 

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I think before you even address Mark Stoops, Barnhart has to be fired. A new AD has to be a part of selecting a new coach. A new AD may also go a long way to get boosters to write a check to part with Stoops and hire someone else. Most boosters aren't going to give Barnhart a dollar for a cup of coffee at this point