***Marked safe from the rapture. nm

[Villagedawg]

Matthew 24:36

Jesus certainly didn't know in his humanity. As for afterwards, perhaps he did. Doesn't change anything, If God didn't share the knowledge with the one man who never sinned, I doubt any of us clowns are gonna be in on the secret

Thank you for answering. I am familiar with what you are referring to. I am just curious how you see that contradiction (for lack of a better word) and integrate it into your own theology. I think I understand you to be saying that in his human nature, Jesus did not know, but in his glorified/God nature he may have. Was he not already God and man when he was human and therefore all knowing? Or was he only God after his glorification? Was there a time when he was not God? It's interesting to see how different people approach these topics.

 

[dorndawg]

Matthew 24:36

Jesus certainly didn't know in his humanity. As for afterwards, perhaps he did. Doesn't change anything, If God didn't share the knowledge with the one man who never sinned, I doubt any of us clowns are gonna be in on the secret

This isn’t a gotcha at all but isn’t this covered by the Transfiguration?

 

[Darryl Steight]

Not really a guess. I already know about when it was written, and what, therefore, it cannot be about. As I think we are saying here, none of us know the future including the author.

Well, what I'm saying is, we both have our strong beliefs that seem to be polar opposites. And I am counting on being right, believing I'll meet God one day.

Do you hope you're right? Or hope to be wrong this whole time and that there is more out there you don't understand? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Darryl Steight]

that's simple-minded analysis. even the jesus character in the bible represented deity-like features already seen in human history: Dionysus, Osiris, Mithras, Horus...to name a few. 'professed' christian? you mean he was catholic?

Simple-minded? I was just summarizing what the man has said - gosh, I hadn't heard Tolkien described as such previously, especially from a fan.

Yes, Catholicism is one faith within the broader Christian theology... Is that really your question? "Professed" means he was the thing, and he acknowledged it publicly. Meaning he told everyone he was a Christian and not secretly some pseudo-intellectual self-important atheist who wrote random books about Middle Earth. I believe the term he used to describe it was "a fundamentally religious and Catholic work."

 

[Predestined]

This isn’t a gotcha at all but isn’t this covered by the Transfiguration?

Didnt take it that way.

I don't think so - In Matthew anyway he says this at the end of his ministry, sometime after the Transfiguration. If I understand your question

 

[Predestined]

Thank you for answering. I am familiar with what you are referring to. I am just curious how you see that contradiction (for lack of a better word) and integrate it into your own theology. I think I understand you to be saying that in his human nature, Jesus did not know, but in his glorified/God nature he may have. Was he not already God and man when he was human and therefore all knowing? Or was he only God after his glorification? Was there a time when he was not God? It's interesting to see how different people approach these topics.

 

[Predestined]

Thank you for answering. I am familiar with what you are referring to. I am just curious how you see that contradiction (for lack of a better word) and integrate it into your own theology. I think I understand you to be saying that in his human nature, Jesus did not know, but in his glorified/God nature he may have. Was he not already God and man when he was human and therefore all knowing? Or was he only God after his glorification? Was there a time when he was not God? It's interesting to see how different people approach these topics.

I'm no theologian, and apparently no computer guru either (I think I replied to this twice with blanks lol, but I don't think there is a contradiction. Jesus as man voluntarily restricted his knowledge as part of his submission to God. So he didn't know the date while on earth, also he didn't want to go through the cross (though he submitted himself to God's will).

It doesn't mean he isn't one with the Father - he is and always has been and will be. But he voluntarily limited his knowledge as it pleased God that no man should know the date. As for now, I'm sure He knows. Just as sure as I know we don't.