Maroon and White talk this week- Troy and neutral site games

[Spanky.sixpack]

If the City won't help us with the buy money......

or if we can't get the game in Jackson any cheaper than Starkville, then I agree.

But if we can, why not? Let's take advantage of it. Get some exposure down in South Mississippi and the Metro area. Let's make MSU the brand of choice in downtown Jackson. There's a lot of talent down there, and in South Mississippi in general.

I do NOT want to play a game in Jackson just to be doing it. I agree, that would be stupid.

To me, it boils down to dollars. Is the money we are paying out to the opponents more than the benefit to the University and their respective business partner? Is it more than we would lose playing at John Q Sunbelt?

 

[MSUDawg4Life]

For what it's worth ... I'd drive to Jackson. Rather drive to Jackson than Troy, Alabama any day. Easy and convenient trip for me.

 

[Todd4State]

I was at the Troy game

And they did not sell their stadium out even if it was their largest crowd in their history. I think that there would be at least one Sun Belt school- see Louisiana-Monroe- that would be willing to do this. To me, the issue is finding a sponsor or a group of sponsors willing to do it, and also maybe that is something that Scott needs to push forward.

I do think gameday management would be a key that would need to be addressed, but I think that is something that is very doable. When Jackson had the Colts and Saints, no one with the stadium commission ever thought about using the fairgrounds for parking.

The stadium itself is not bad to watch a game in. It's not the best place either- but it's tolerable for one game.

And of course- no one has said anything about moving a home game to Jackson. I would be totally against that. I am for moving a ROAD game say with La Tech to Jackson however. So, actually we would really have essentially eight home games (seven in Starkville and one in Jackson)

It just comes down to money and a forward thinking group to make it happen.

 

[BogeyGolfer.sixpack]

Finally, something Coach and I agree on...

I like the idea of playing an away game in our state. However, the last time I went to the Saints pre-season game it was a cluster17. If Jackson can get that worked out I would be all for it. First off, I will never drive to Ruston or Troy, Al for a ballgame, but I would drive to Jackson because it's in our state and it's a home-"AWAY" game. However, I don't mind playing at South Alabama in September because you can stay in Gulf Shores, play golf and watch us play which makes for a nice road trip. I say make it happen....

 

[HD6]

Jesus you are denser than a bundt cake. We can't bring recruits to road games. What recruits are we currently taking to road games?

He is talking about instead of playing a game at Troy, we play Troy in Jackson, but it's technically a home game for Troy. Why are you not getting that? We would still play 7 home games, and this would be a road game played in the state of Mississippi in front of 30-40K MSU fans, instead of in the state of Louisiana or Alabama in front of 30-40K opposing fans. In what world is that bad for MSU?

 

[1msudawg]

Damn, I thought I was through with this. The money stays in MS when the game is played in Starkville. And it'll help Starkville more than it'll help Jackson. But my biggest thing is "bigger crowds"! Sez who? Granted we had huge crowds there years ago, but the biggest were double header games with Mississippi playing there on the same day. Give me a break. DWS will be as big as Veterans in 2014, we'll have a definite home crowd advantage, and we can show recruits a good time easily enough. Why would we want to show them Jackson? The only reason we're talking about this is that we've played in Jackson before. And a lot of people, myself included, came to hate the experience. We don't owe Jackson anything. Why do we want to emulate Arkansas. If we do this, anytime soon, then yes, we are Mississippi State. It would be just like us to ruin a good thing.

Holy 17.. how hard is this to understand... which number is bigger.. Toy States 28,000 (mostly troy fans) or 60,000 in memorial stadium (mostly bulldawg fans). Which one is better for for the players? The one played in front of a smaller crowd made up mosyly of opposing fans treating the game as a superbowl.. or the one played in front of a much larger crowd of cowbell ringing fans cheering on the bulldawgs?

That is the choice here.. NOT to move a game from Starkville to Jackson.. NOBODY wants that. 8 games in Mississippi sounds pretty good to me.

 

[615dawg]

I meant as a private group, you do MSU vs. Sun Belt team in odd years and Ole Miss vs. Sun Belt team in even years. Every other year MSU or Ole Miss is playing in Jackson. Seems like a money maker to me.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Damn, I thought I was through with this. The money stays in MS when the game is played in Starkville. And it'll help Starkville more than it'll help Jackson. But my biggest thing is "bigger crowds"! Sez who? Granted we had huge crowds there years ago, but the biggest were double header games with Mississippi playing there on the same day. Give me a break. DWS will be as big as Veterans in 2014, we'll have a definite home crowd advantage, and we can show recruits a good time easily enough. Why would we want to show them Jackson? The only reason we're talking about this is that we've played in Jackson before. And a lot of people, myself included, came to hate the experience. We don't owe Jackson anything. Why do we want to emulate Arkansas. If we do this, anytime soon, then yes, we are Mississippi State. It would be just like us to ruin a good thing.

Are you misunderstanding on purpose? The idea is moving a road game to Jackson, not a home game. Playing 7 in Starkville, 1 in Jackson, and 4 in other team's stadiums instead of 7 in Starkville and 5 in other team's stadiums... playing MSU @ Troy in Jackson instead of Troy.

 

[patdog]

If, in the future we can afford to buy games every year and not do 2-for-1's then absolutely we should do that. But the overriding goal is to have 7 home game, in Starkville, every year. Right now, the best way to do that without spending an inordinate amount of money, is to do some 2-for-1s. And if we can get some of those to move their home game to Jackson, how could any MSU fan be against that? We'd still have 7 games in Starkville that year. The only difference is 1 of the road games would be in Jackson instead of Mobile.

 

[DAWG61]

Holy 17tards!!

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpmIBJ_MKas

 

[Spanky.sixpack]

Now I'm following. So in this instance......

It will be Troy's home game. In that case, isn't the money already worked out in the 2 for 1? Troy would get to keep the profit, but the State of MS and Jackson would profit from the people coming to Jackson. I guess MSU would have to kick back the money to Jackson State and whatever it costs to rent the stadium. I guess the incentive for Troy is more money in the form of tickets.

So I guess at the end of the day, for MSU, it's:

- Exposure of a game in Jackson
- keep travelling fans money instate

vs.

- More game profit going to Sunbelt team ie money from MSU fans going over there
- whatever money we have to pay to JSU/stadium rent

To me, it all depends on the amount of MSU money spent in Troy vs. the ticket money going to Troy (from Jackson game).

 

[patdog]

You really don't. MSU wouldn't pay anything for Troy to move their home game to Jackson. It would cost us slightly less than going to Troy because it's not as far away. All the expenses would be paid out of Troy's additional ticket sales. Actually, if we negotiated future 2-for-1 deals to be Starkville-Jackson-Starkville, we could work it so we could split some of the additional sales from the road game with the other team and both schools would come out ahead financially over a traditional 2-for-1 deal.

 

[Spanky.sixpack]

Troy makes more money off MSU fans though.....

No, MSU itself wouldn't necessarily lose money in the short term. But somebody has to pay JSU too. Troy's not going to do that. Troy it also going to factor in the revenue losses for their town as well. It's not as easy as you try to make it sound. You're thinking is too shallow.

 

[HotMop]

I could go for that.

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[patdog]

MSU wouldn't lose money in any term. So what if Troy makes more for their home game if MSU makes at least as much money as they would going to Troy, if not more? What part of paying expenses out of the increased revenue and still having more left over than you would have otherwise are you having trouble understanding? Nobody's in favor of moving home games to Jackson or playing less than 7 home games in Starkville every year. But some people have this irrational hatred for all things Jackson that they'd apparently rather make less money and travel to damn near Georgia than play a road game in Jackson.

 

[KurtRambis4]

With

all due respect, gramps, I don't think you do.

aGAIN, we are not talking about moving games from Starkville to Jackson. We are talking about moving games from Troy, etc. to Jackson. What is so hard to undertstand? We CANNOT move these to Starkville, but there is a chance a game like this could possibly be moved to Jackson. As coach said, nobody is saying it's better to play in Jackson compared to Starkville. However, it would be better than Troy, for the majority.

One more time, this has nothing to do with games in Starkville.

aGAIN, this is not about moving games from Starkville.

Starkivlle is not a part of this equation in any single way, whatsoever.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Surely

this is someone pulling a prank. It's like trying to teach someone how to add 1 + 1, and they keep answering with "BANANA!"

 

[KurtRambis4]

So are

you saying that a student that cannot afford to attend a game in Jackson (2 hours), could in Troy (5 hours)?

 

[RocketDawg]

That's reasonable as long as it doesn't remove a home game for us at DWS. But I can't understand the "love affair" with Jackson, but I don't live in Mississippi any more. Is it the only place outside the college towns that has a stadium large enough? I'll bet you'd have a hard time getting USA to move a game though ... it would be a trip for their fans to make, one they probably wouldn't do based on ticket sales for tomorrow's game. And Mobile is considerably larger than Jackson, so there's no shortage of hotels there for State fans.