Massive shooting in Vegas

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As usual, this thread has turned into a simple political hate thread.

Might as well move it to the political thread. There's no discussion of the tragedy in Las Vegas, and that's a shame.
 
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There are some mentally touched up people in this world and politics have not a thing to do with it.
I agree, it's a mental health issue. I just can't believe that someone at this level of mental illness doesn't stand out in a crowd. I'm just shocked that he was that nuts and no one saw it coming. 58 dead and 515 wounded. That's unbelievable numbers for one nut.
 
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Then it should be an easy task.

Having trouble with your homework assignment?
For starters, Google obuma saying:

"they bring a knife, WE bring a GUN"
"we'll PUNISH our ENEMIES, and reward our friends"
"ARGUE with them, GET IN their FACE"

Seems like some divisive "us vs. them" to me... or do you find that to be unifying?
 

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It has been reported that he had a tripod. Seems like it would be difficult to bump fire.

I saw a picture this morning of the Mandalay and it looked like all of the fire came from 2 windows that had been broken out. The initial report was that there were 2 tripods and 8 rifles.

He could have set up shooting sticks at each window and gone back and forth using a bumpfire rifle. That would also explain why there were initial reports of a second shooting nearby.
 

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Of course you think that because you're on the other side. Continually attacking the police is divisive.
Attacking the police or questioning some policemen?

As an executive it is right to question all sides in conflict. Just unconditionally taking one side is wrong and short sided. There is plenty of blame to go around. There are bad cops that are part of the problem. There are bad anti-cop people as well. The overwhelming number of BLM supporters are peaceful, appreciate law enforcement. A few bad apples attach themselves and then you want to make that the narrative for the group.

Goes both ways. A few BLM supporters kill some cops, narrative becomes all BLM wants dead cops. A few cops kill unarmed black men and that makes all cops racist. Neither narrative is correct for the groups as a whole but that becomes the focus. Thing is, you can fix neither until you first aknowlege the problems. If you claim that the problem is all on one side you will never get the ear of the side being blamed.

Cops share some of the blame. If pointing that out is devisive to you then perhaps you’re part of the problem. Same with Muslims. You picked a side and you don’t want to hear anything that doesn’t confirm that you’re on the right side or that your side has any part of the problem.
 
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Or how about this?

Immediately after Dylan Roof: "The fact that this took place in a black church obviously also raises questions about a dark part of our history. ... We know that hatred across races and faiths (poses) a particular threat to our democracy and our ideals."

Immediately after San Bernadino: "It is possible that this was terrorist-related, but we don't know. It's also possible that this was workplace-related."
Could that be because Roof was captured alive and told us his motive right away vs speculating as to the motives of a dead man before we had more information?

Tell me the timeline of when each statement was made relative to the event. What we KNEW at the time vs what was being speculated.

Reminds me of the speculation that was made on this board after the church shooting here in Nashville. The man was black and from Sudan so he must be a Muslim and prevented from coming here. We find out he’s Christian and he came to the US when he was 4 yrs old. Always a rush to label and put people into this box or that one.
 

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Did you even bother to read the article? It throws out speculations that require one to assign motives to a host of different theories. To be offended by what wasn’t said. Couldn’t a case be made to do the same with EVERY political figure?
If you are looking to be offended, you can usually find a way to be so. Not unlike Mitch Barnhart’s comment, “we live in a microwave society” comment that was change to “microwave fans” by his critics. Most people never heard the comment in the context it was made, only the comments about the comment that applied their own twist.
 

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Could that be because Roof was captured alive and told us his motive right away vs speculating as to the motives of a dead man before we had more information?

Tell me the timeline of when each statement was made relative to the event. What we KNEW at the time vs what was being speculated.

Reminds me of the speculation that was made on this board after the church shooting here in Nashville. The man was black and from Sudan so he must be a Muslim and prevented from coming here. We find out he’s Christian and he came to the US when he was 4 yrs old. Always a rush to label and put people into this box or that one.

The guy in Nashville targeted caucasians, in a church. Had a kneeling football player on his Facebook page.
That story went away almost immediately, which is good. However, the issue is that if he were white, and had targeted black people in a church, and had an alt right screen on Facebook the story would’ve been still ongoing. Why is that?
 

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This is divisive?


If I am correct, I think that response was during riots and not peaceful demonstrations. Many on the left have tried to make these demonstrations that are violent look civil when they were not.
 

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Attacking the police or questioning some policemen?

As an executive it is right to question all sides in conflict. Just unconditionally taking one side is wrong and short sided. There is plenty of blame to go around. There are bad cops that are part of the problem. There are bad anti-cop people as well. The overwhelming number of BLM supporters are peaceful, appreciate law enforcement. A few bad apples attach themselves and then you want to make that the narrative for the group.

Goes both ways. A few BLM supporters kill some cops, narrative becomes all BLM wants dead cops. A few cops kill unarmed black men and that makes all cops racist. Neither narrative is correct for the groups as a whole but that becomes the focus. Thing is, you can fix neither until you first aknowlege the problems. If you claim that the problem is all on one side you will never get the ear of the side being blamed.

Cops share some of the blame. If pointing that out is devisive to you then perhaps you’re part of the problem. Same with Muslims. You picked a side and you don’t want to hear anything that doesn’t confirm that you’re on the right side or that your side has any part of the problem.
More of the stupid here. "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" Just for starters. There is a lot more out there without the Muslim factor. You are really bad at this or just anti-American.
 
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Yep, it doesn't necessarily have to be a fully-auto weapon to have the "equivalent" of auto fire. Slide stocks will run ya about $300 bucks at Midway.com and they're perfectly legal.

I'm an assault rifle owner and slide stocks should NOT be legal. It's a "loophole" on the fully automatic ban. Fully automatic weapons are and should remain illegal. The "bump" stock/"slide stock" stuff should not be legal.
 

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The guy in Nashville targeted caucasians, in a church. Had a kneeling football player on his Facebook page.
That story went away almost immediately, which is good. However, the issue is that if he were white, and had targeted black people in a church, and had an alt right screen on Facebook the story would’ve been still ongoing. Why is that?
Had a kneeling football player on his Facebook page... that makes him a race hater!. Boy, I hope my schoolhood friend Danny doesn’t shoot anybody because he’s pretty wrapped up in that dispute too. People will think he’s racist. Better tell his white wife!

I live in Nashville and I can tell you that the story is still going on. There have just been a few other big events kind of knock it off of the front page of national news.
There has still been no official word as to motive only speculation that it was revenge for Dylan Roof. That may be it but it why did he attend a mixed race church to start with? He had plenty of white friends.
Let’s agree that he went to a dark place for whatever reason. People who are down or depressed will often look for reasons to justify that darkness.
We always want a rush to judgement. It’s more important to be quick than right.
 

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More of the stupid here. "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" Just for starters. There is a lot more out there without the Muslim factor. You are really bad at this or just anti-American.
Guess you’ve missed that story that chant was based upon didn’t happen at the BLM rally earlier that day. That rally ended at 3:30 pm, the video from which that was taken was shot at night and showed a small number of people, not the 25000 that had attended the rally. But I’m sure the truth doesn’t matter to you.
 

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what will the NFL Players do to bring recognition to this issue? Stand? Kneel? Splits? Jumping jacks?[/QUOTE]
I would LOVE to see them do jumping jacks. That would symbolize imo how far past full retard this country has gone.

or... hop on one leg, make a noise like a dog....a big dog. make a sound like an orangatang...
 
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If a legal bumpfire stock was used in this situation, would your solution to be to allow them to remain legal?
Nothing, because it wouldn't make any difference in the commission of future crimes using them.

Even if actual Slide Stocks were banned, and you could somehow round-up and destroy the tens of thousands already on the streets, the AR platform is fairly easily modifiable to allow bump fire anyway (and it's not hard to pull the trigger really fast on a standard semi-auto fire). Yes, ok, granted it might make it harder for random nutjobs to do, but it wouldn't prevent someone if they were determined.
 

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Guess you’ve missed that story that chant was based upon didn’t happen at the BLM rally earlier that day. That rally ended at 3:30 pm, the video from which that was taken was shot at night and showed a small number of people, not the 25000 that had attended the rally. But I’m sure the truth doesn’t matter to you.

You're actually trying to defend that?
 

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Had a kneeling football player on his Facebook page... that makes him a race hater!.

The photo on the Nashville's shooter FB page was not a kneeling NFL player. It looks to be a photo of himself, flexing and kneeling. Saw a few others say the same thing, not sure where they got it. But that shooting does appear to be in retaliation to Dylan Roof shooting. Awful.

Back to this shooting. it's absolutely horrible. The videos surfacing are gut wrenching. I don't care why this guy carried out this heinous act, we as a society just need to get better.
 

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Had a kneeling football player on his Facebook page... that makes him a race hater!. Boy, I hope my schoolhood friend Danny doesn’t shoot anybody because he’s pretty wrapped up in that dispute too. People will think he’s racist. Better tell his white wife!

I live in Nashville and I can tell you that the story is still going on. There have just been a few other big events kind of knock it off of the front page of national news.
There has still been no official word as to motive only speculation that it was revenge for Dylan Roof. That may be it but it why did he attend a mixed race church to start with? He had plenty of white friends.
Let’s agree that he went to a dark place for whatever reason. People who are down or depressed will often look for reasons to justify that darkness.
We always want a rush to judgement. It’s more important to be quick than right.

You’re missing the point RQ, intentionally.

This isn’t a rush to judgement, the dude shot 8 white people in a church. There has been dick written about nationally, Hell, it didn’t even make headlines, by Tuesday of last week it was all but gone.

The media and Dems would be having a field day if it was a white dude shooting black church goers, and you damn well know it.

There’s a lot of folks that have confederate flags too, didn’t stop the left from losing their mind, and stores from discontinuing to sell them.

How in Gods name can you even pretend that this double standard doesn’t exist?
 

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The photo on the Nashville's shooter FB page was not a kneeling NFL player. It looks to be a photo of himself, flexing and kneeling. Saw a few others say the same thing, not sure where they got it. But that shooting does appear to be in retaliation to Dylan Roof shooting. Awful.

Back to this shooting. it's absolutely horrible. The videos surfacing are gut wrenching. I don't care why this guy carried out this heinous act, we as a society just need to get better.

So he was kneeling, well that makes all the difference. Dylan Roof wasn’t actually in the confederate army, so there ya go.

They were both tragic incidents, but one was handled correctly, and the other reaction was over the top.
 
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I am feeling pretty sick this morning as I am sure all of you are as well.

It's frustrating and anger-inducing.

We can do better than this.
 
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I'm an assault rifle owner and slide stocks should NOT be legal. It's a "loophole" on the fully automatic ban. Fully automatic weapons are and should remain illegal. The "bump" stock/"slide stock" stuff should not be legal.
So you own a fully automatic weapon?

Definition of assault rifle
:any of various intermediate-range, magazine-fed military rifles (such as the AK-47) that can be set for automatic or semiautomatic fire.
 
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I am feeling pretty sick this morning as I am sure all of you are as well.

It's frustrating and anger-inducing.

We can do better than this.
I'm not going to watch or listen to any media. Football will be on mute tonight. My flag will be at half staff. I don't know what to think but my presumption is that this guy is psychotic and I would bet it is politically motivated. White redneck deplorables. I will bet that kidn of rhetoric from the terrorist libs has something to do with his motivation.
 

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Always going to be crazies and those who don't take their meds for a week..

The country will continue to split down the middle, especially on the gun issue. Personally, I would love to have no guns.. but you'll just never get to that point. The bad people will find ways to get them. As crazy as it is or may sound (to the left), you almost need to push forward and allow sane-people the right to carry.

I'm not sure what could happen to stop that guy, probably triple locked his room.. but if just a handful of people in the crowd had weapons, they could have possibly fired back and caused him to duck for cover, saving dozens of lives as people ran off.
 

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Race is not important when it's the Antioch shooter.
Race of the victims of the Las Vegas shooter isn't important
But the shooter being a white guy is.

Never mind that he shot up a country music concert, an overwhelming white audience who votes Republican.

The media never fails to push their agenda.
 
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Gun control doesn't work and we have had so many examples to prove it. It just stops law-abiding citizens from the ability and chance to protect themselves. Nothing is stopping criminals and insane people from getting their hands on weapons.

We saw cops in Paris just curl up while Muslims shot them in the head during Charlie Hebdo. We saw Muslims gun down so many people in the Paris attacks where they have gun control. We see people shoot up gun-free zones. Chicago has strict gun control yet tons of murders.

Gun control didn't stop any of those people. Passing it here just means you have no one able to defend their homes.