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dawgstudent

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This was pretty good. It's a premium article and has some interesting points in it.

<h1>Monday Morning QB: Buzzards and Goats</h1><span id="size_icons" class="size_icons">http://bulldawgjunction.com/news/story_print.php?article=980</span> <p id="article_author" class="source_info">By Matt Wyatt, Football Expert
Posted Sep 22, 2008
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</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <div id="article_deck" class="deck_copy"> I usually don't even read those forwarded emails. You know the ones. We've all got a certain friend or relative that spends way too much time forwarding humorous, political, or religious emails to everyone in their address book, and after a short time we condition ourselves to "delete" as soon as we see who the "sender" is. Well, for once I'm glad my curiosity got the best of me. </div>I "got mail" a while back from a friend, and it was a list of the all-time greatest quotes from some of college football's greatest coaches. I read and saved it, and I'm glad I did because there were two quips from one famous coach that kept popping into my head during, and after Saturday's "game" against a bunch of technical minded students from Atlanta. "That's it," I thought. "That describes this perfectly!"

Here you go...in the words of former Texas Tech coach Spyke Dykes:

"They whipped us like a tied-up goat."

...and...

"Well, we played like two tons of buzzard puke today."

'Nuff said. Spyke Dykes is now a member of my All-Name team, along with Jaybo Shaw.

As a matter of fact, I find it impossible to describe the GA Tech loss more accurately than that. In order to do my job, though, and provide a little insight into the loss from a former player's perspective I've chosen three areas to illustrate for all Bulldawgjunction-ites: Wesley Carroll, Croom-Woody-WC Offense (yep, it's one subject), and the Bulldogs' defense.

Wesley Carroll: C'mon folks, I mean...really
Do you honestly think you sound intelligent when you bash the kid and say he should never take another snap? What about when you type it into a message board thread? I'm waiting...

Yes, I've seen every game this season (and last season for that matter). Uh huh, I've seen the interceptions this season too. I realize I may rub some Bulldog fans the wrong way when I say this, but here goes: if you, sincerely, in-your-heart believe that Wesley Carroll is the problem with our offense then it's time for you to take a step back, and listen to someone else who knows a little more about what's going on out there. I don't intend to insult, but would just like to drive home the point that it's ignorant to, as fans, take part in the same old line of thinking, then vocalize that thinking, and prove our ignorance. What's the old saying? I think it goes something like this: "it's far better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and prove it."

Given what's going on around him, Wesley's doing a good job. Both interceptions on Saturday could have been easily avoided with just a little help and a little luck. When you play on an offense that's somewhat "snake-bit" however, bad luck is usually unavoidable. The first was a play-action, roll-out to Carroll's left where Brandon McRea was running a one-on-one deep comeback route. McRea was open, and Wesley was not pressured. However, I saw a mix-up between the two. Wesley was ready to deliver the football on time, but McRea put an extra little move to the inside at the end of the route that forced Carroll to adjust, hang on to the ball a little longer. In doing so, Carroll was still holding the ball when McRea broke to the sideline which should NEVER happen on a 15-yard comeback route. The ball should always be on it's way to a spot on the sideline by the time the receiver breaks. The hesitation forced Carroll to throw late, rush just a little, and the ball sailed high. We know the rest: McRea goes up, gets only one hand on the ball, and (bad luck) tips it right into the gut of the cornerback. It could have been tipped anywhere, and if "if's and but's were candy and nuts"...chalk it up to being snake-bit.

Folks, that was the one poor throw I saw Wes make on Saturday.

The second interception was a great play on Wes' part. Brandon Henderson was wide open, running a vertical between two safeties. Wes knew he would be hit, but he stood in there and delivered a good (not great) throw. Now, the ball was just a bit high, but Henderson mis-timed his jump. Any SEC receiver, tight-end or wideout, will be expected to go up and get that ball...and most will. It wasn't a bad read. It wasn't a terrible throw. It wasn't a careless play by Wes. It should have been a touchdown with just a little help. Should Wes throw every, single pass right into a Bulldog's bread basket for it to be a completion? SEC pass-catchers will from time to time (please excuse the sarcasm) be expected to jump...and make a catch at the same time.

Wes does not have an extremely strong arm. Wes is a sophomore. He is carrying more of a load this year, and he struggled mightily in game-1. Since then he's done a decent job, and he is NOT the problem.

The responsibility for not scoring points on offense does not 100% fall on Wes.

Croom-Woody-West Coast Offense
Let's get one thing straight. The formations and plays being run by the Bulldogs' offense are no different than the ones we ran at State when I was playing. (Go back and read that line again...let it sink in). This year's flat/curl route combination is the same as it was in '98. A tight-end with an offset fullback and two wide-outs for Croom's bunch Saturday was the same formation used by LSU, Auburn, Alabama, etc. Insert any team in the country. What about 4-wides and shotgun? Yes. Five wideouts and no backs? Yes, yes, and yes. We did it in '99 with the same routes and basic blocking schemes. It's all the same stuff, passed around, and recycled, and given a different name.

The "West Coast" idea is an overall philosophy, a style of play calling. It's the "intention" with how to use backs and receivers.

I just want to make sure that none of us are under the impression that our offense is an "apple" and that successful teams like USC and Oklahoma have a "banana".

What about Georgia Tech's option? Nope, they're an apple, too. The difference is teams like State call an option (read and pitch or keep) out of the shotgun maybe once a game, and the Yellow Jackets are always under-center and call an option (read and pitch or keep) on almost every play. The basic idea is exactly the same: pitch off the end-man on the line of scrimmage, block the outside linebacker and the corner, and force the safety to come up and make the tackle.

If executed by all eleven (on any team) it works great, as evidenced by the fact that Demon Glanton, Derek Pegues, and Keith Fitzhugh were three of State's top four tacklers Saturday.

Defense: What do you do?
I'm not sure I know the answer. However, it's plain to me Saturday's predicament. On the first play of the game, and on the last play of the game, our defensive objective was the same: take away the inside give, force the quarterback to pitch, and don't give up a homerun.

Those of us that saw the game know that feeling of frustration, wondering what it would take to have linebackers in a position to make tackles on the edge, as opposed to seeing Pegues (ex.) locked in a battle with a blocker on the sideline hoping he beats said block AND makes the tackle seeing as he's the last stop before said homerun sails over the fence.

I kept thinking, "is there nothing we can do/line-up in that would throw them for a loop instead of them keeping us off balance?"

Truth is, when your defensive ends aren't dominating the opponent's tackles, you're already whipped.

I still think our "D" can be solid versus most teams on the schedule, but I worry that Tech's option may have shined a spotlight on some weaknesses that SEC teams now have on film. What'cha wanna bet LSU puts in some wing option this week?

Overall:
There are plenty of challenges in Bulldog country after four weeks of the '08 season. The biggest challenge in my opinion is now on the part of Sylvester Croom keeping players' attitudes on the up&up for the remainder of the season. They must not panic, and the staff must set that example. It will be doubly tough with the majority of the fanbase in doubt. The players will hear it in class, in the cafeteria, at home, etc. It's an absolute must that teammates lock arms, cover their ears, and wade through the storm as a unit. Got no choice...LSU certainly won't feel sorry for you.

The lack of points from the offense is unfortunately a pattern. It's a pattern that must be thwarted starting Monday. I think Coach Croom realized this following Saturday's loss, and that's positive.

Coming into this season I made a statement several times, to Bulldog fans as well as over the airwaves on my radio show. Considering the buzz among the fanbase, and the drastic increase in early commitments from big-time recruits, I said it was imperitive in '08 that MSU did NOT take a major step backwards. Sure, improving on last season's eight wins would be nice. But I said a HUGE factor in the future of the football program would be simply to win six games, be bowl eligible, and in a word - maintain. Maintain the idea that MSU football had again turned the corner as it appeared to have done a decade ago. Maintain a high expectation among supporters, and maintain the satisfaction of meeting a few of those expectations. At 1-3, the 'Dawgs need to become giant killers in a hurry to maintain the notion that the program is making progress.

Have fun in Red Stick!
 

dawgstudent

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This was pretty good. It's a premium article and has some interesting points in it.

<h1>Monday Morning QB: Buzzards and Goats</h1><span id="size_icons" class="size_icons">http://bulldawgjunction.com/news/story_print.php?article=980</span> <p id="article_author" class="source_info">By Matt Wyatt, Football Expert
Posted Sep 22, 2008
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</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> </div> <div id="article_deck" class="deck_copy"> I usually don't even read those forwarded emails. You know the ones. We've all got a certain friend or relative that spends way too much time forwarding humorous, political, or religious emails to everyone in their address book, and after a short time we condition ourselves to "delete" as soon as we see who the "sender" is. Well, for once I'm glad my curiosity got the best of me. </div>I "got mail" a while back from a friend, and it was a list of the all-time greatest quotes from some of college football's greatest coaches. I read and saved it, and I'm glad I did because there were two quips from one famous coach that kept popping into my head during, and after Saturday's "game" against a bunch of technical minded students from Atlanta. "That's it," I thought. "That describes this perfectly!"

Here you go...in the words of former Texas Tech coach Spyke Dykes:

"They whipped us like a tied-up goat."

...and...

"Well, we played like two tons of buzzard puke today."

'Nuff said. Spyke Dykes is now a member of my All-Name team, along with Jaybo Shaw.

As a matter of fact, I find it impossible to describe the GA Tech loss more accurately than that. In order to do my job, though, and provide a little insight into the loss from a former player's perspective I've chosen three areas to illustrate for all Bulldawgjunction-ites: Wesley Carroll, Croom-Woody-WC Offense (yep, it's one subject), and the Bulldogs' defense.

Wesley Carroll: C'mon folks, I mean...really
Do you honestly think you sound intelligent when you bash the kid and say he should never take another snap? What about when you type it into a message board thread? I'm waiting...

Yes, I've seen every game this season (and last season for that matter). Uh huh, I've seen the interceptions this season too. I realize I may rub some Bulldog fans the wrong way when I say this, but here goes: if you, sincerely, in-your-heart believe that Wesley Carroll is the problem with our offense then it's time for you to take a step back, and listen to someone else who knows a little more about what's going on out there. I don't intend to insult, but would just like to drive home the point that it's ignorant to, as fans, take part in the same old line of thinking, then vocalize that thinking, and prove our ignorance. What's the old saying? I think it goes something like this: "it's far better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and prove it."

Given what's going on around him, Wesley's doing a good job. Both interceptions on Saturday could have been easily avoided with just a little help and a little luck. When you play on an offense that's somewhat "snake-bit" however, bad luck is usually unavoidable. The first was a play-action, roll-out to Carroll's left where Brandon McRea was running a one-on-one deep comeback route. McRea was open, and Wesley was not pressured. However, I saw a mix-up between the two. Wesley was ready to deliver the football on time, but McRea put an extra little move to the inside at the end of the route that forced Carroll to adjust, hang on to the ball a little longer. In doing so, Carroll was still holding the ball when McRea broke to the sideline which should NEVER happen on a 15-yard comeback route. The ball should always be on it's way to a spot on the sideline by the time the receiver breaks. The hesitation forced Carroll to throw late, rush just a little, and the ball sailed high. We know the rest: McRea goes up, gets only one hand on the ball, and (bad luck) tips it right into the gut of the cornerback. It could have been tipped anywhere, and if "if's and but's were candy and nuts"...chalk it up to being snake-bit.

Folks, that was the one poor throw I saw Wes make on Saturday.

The second interception was a great play on Wes' part. Brandon Henderson was wide open, running a vertical between two safeties. Wes knew he would be hit, but he stood in there and delivered a good (not great) throw. Now, the ball was just a bit high, but Henderson mis-timed his jump. Any SEC receiver, tight-end or wideout, will be expected to go up and get that ball...and most will. It wasn't a bad read. It wasn't a terrible throw. It wasn't a careless play by Wes. It should have been a touchdown with just a little help. Should Wes throw every, single pass right into a Bulldog's bread basket for it to be a completion? SEC pass-catchers will from time to time (please excuse the sarcasm) be expected to jump...and make a catch at the same time.

Wes does not have an extremely strong arm. Wes is a sophomore. He is carrying more of a load this year, and he struggled mightily in game-1. Since then he's done a decent job, and he is NOT the problem.

The responsibility for not scoring points on offense does not 100% fall on Wes.

Croom-Woody-West Coast Offense
Let's get one thing straight. The formations and plays being run by the Bulldogs' offense are no different than the ones we ran at State when I was playing. (Go back and read that line again...let it sink in). This year's flat/curl route combination is the same as it was in '98. A tight-end with an offset fullback and two wide-outs for Croom's bunch Saturday was the same formation used by LSU, Auburn, Alabama, etc. Insert any team in the country. What about 4-wides and shotgun? Yes. Five wideouts and no backs? Yes, yes, and yes. We did it in '99 with the same routes and basic blocking schemes. It's all the same stuff, passed around, and recycled, and given a different name.

The "West Coast" idea is an overall philosophy, a style of play calling. It's the "intention" with how to use backs and receivers.

I just want to make sure that none of us are under the impression that our offense is an "apple" and that successful teams like USC and Oklahoma have a "banana".

What about Georgia Tech's option? Nope, they're an apple, too. The difference is teams like State call an option (read and pitch or keep) out of the shotgun maybe once a game, and the Yellow Jackets are always under-center and call an option (read and pitch or keep) on almost every play. The basic idea is exactly the same: pitch off the end-man on the line of scrimmage, block the outside linebacker and the corner, and force the safety to come up and make the tackle.

If executed by all eleven (on any team) it works great, as evidenced by the fact that Demon Glanton, Derek Pegues, and Keith Fitzhugh were three of State's top four tacklers Saturday.

Defense: What do you do?
I'm not sure I know the answer. However, it's plain to me Saturday's predicament. On the first play of the game, and on the last play of the game, our defensive objective was the same: take away the inside give, force the quarterback to pitch, and don't give up a homerun.

Those of us that saw the game know that feeling of frustration, wondering what it would take to have linebackers in a position to make tackles on the edge, as opposed to seeing Pegues (ex.) locked in a battle with a blocker on the sideline hoping he beats said block AND makes the tackle seeing as he's the last stop before said homerun sails over the fence.

I kept thinking, "is there nothing we can do/line-up in that would throw them for a loop instead of them keeping us off balance?"

Truth is, when your defensive ends aren't dominating the opponent's tackles, you're already whipped.

I still think our "D" can be solid versus most teams on the schedule, but I worry that Tech's option may have shined a spotlight on some weaknesses that SEC teams now have on film. What'cha wanna bet LSU puts in some wing option this week?

Overall:
There are plenty of challenges in Bulldog country after four weeks of the '08 season. The biggest challenge in my opinion is now on the part of Sylvester Croom keeping players' attitudes on the up&up for the remainder of the season. They must not panic, and the staff must set that example. It will be doubly tough with the majority of the fanbase in doubt. The players will hear it in class, in the cafeteria, at home, etc. It's an absolute must that teammates lock arms, cover their ears, and wade through the storm as a unit. Got no choice...LSU certainly won't feel sorry for you.

The lack of points from the offense is unfortunately a pattern. It's a pattern that must be thwarted starting Monday. I think Coach Croom realized this following Saturday's loss, and that's positive.

Coming into this season I made a statement several times, to Bulldog fans as well as over the airwaves on my radio show. Considering the buzz among the fanbase, and the drastic increase in early commitments from big-time recruits, I said it was imperitive in '08 that MSU did NOT take a major step backwards. Sure, improving on last season's eight wins would be nice. But I said a HUGE factor in the future of the football program would be simply to win six games, be bowl eligible, and in a word - maintain. Maintain the idea that MSU football had again turned the corner as it appeared to have done a decade ago. Maintain a high expectation among supporters, and maintain the satisfaction of meeting a few of those expectations. At 1-3, the 'Dawgs need to become giant killers in a hurry to maintain the notion that the program is making progress.

Have fun in Red Stick!
 

saddawg

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I like Matt, but he knows there are more differences in what Croom is trying to run and what they ran.

And they were better coached.
 
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saddawg said:
I like Matt, but he knows there are more differences in what Croom is trying to run and what they ran.

And they were better coached.
You're correct and I think that was Matt's point. The plays are the same... so what is the difference?
 

Irondawg

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I agree that Wes isn't the problem, but he is part of the problem. He made some poor decision in the Auburn game that hurt and he didn't throw the ball very well there either. He also had a bad pick at La Tech on a scoring drive. He looks like he's thinking too much as he's clearly trying to check down to the 3rd and 4th reads instead of tucking the ball and gaining 5-6 yards on a run.

I think the biggest problem we have right now on offense is the lack of product from the offensive line. I didn't even get the watch the replay so I have no idea on the defense...but we clearly didn't make any halftime adjustments and that's frustrating and worrysome from a coaching perspective.
 

lawdawg02

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henderson was open. if carroll leads him, it's an easy TD. the ball was thrown high and behind him - there was no way henderson should have made that catch. that was a poor pass by carroll - and there were certainly more than 1 of those on saturday. maybe henderson broke off the route and turned inside, but from the replay, it was obvious that the pass was poor. either way, it was not a "great play" on carroll's part.

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that is ******** saying it wasnt. The throw was behind him and henderson was coming across the field. The reason it looked like he mistimed the jump was because he had all his momentum going the other way and saw that it was behind him. Well, when you realize that the only way to stop your momentum is to plant yourself in the ground and "jump" back the other way. That is exactly what he did, and that is why it looked like he "jumped" too early.

Im not by any means blaming wes for everything, but he is not a good qb. He was outplayed, aGAIN, by lee. Dont get me wrong...neither are the answer, but lee has played much better than wes. Every single one of his throws were on the button but most of all he led the receivers and kept their momentum going the proper direction. Wes rarely does this. You wanna talk about throwing a BB right to a receiver and them not making a play for you? How about the 20 yarder that he put on bell that hit him in the face mask.
 

gtowndawg

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Georgia Tech's offense and ours is the same...apples to apples? Incredible.

Can someone please write an article that simply says "Croom is the problem. Period." That's all it has to say.
 

Gene Swindoll

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the two offenses may look the same, but they are not the same......there continues to be players that comment on how complicated croom's offense is too learn and you never heard that out of any of sherrill's players........matt wyatt just lost some credibility with me with that article
 

gtowndawg

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we both play 11 players. While that's true, that's where it stops. I don't think it's fair to paint a picture that somehow our offenses are even remotely the same. They are completely different in every regard.

just want to make sure that none of us are under the impression that our offense is an "apple" and that successful teams like USC and Oklahoma have a "banana".

What about Georgia Tech's option? Nope, they're an apple, too.

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Which is true but its the play calling and decisions made by the staff that create the offense. Our formations are the same as when Jackie was here.
 

8dog

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that our formations are too complicated. Its the plays we run and the responsibilities of each player during that play that everyone feels is the problem. Someone correct me if Im wrong.
 

gtowndawg

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its the play calling and decisions made by the staff that create the offense.

I just wish Wyatt would have spent time fleshing out that point. In other words, look at the coach first to determine if that's the problem before you assume it's the type offense being run. That point never came across to me.
 

Agentdog

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"The plays are the same... so what is the difference?"

The coaches and players. The coaches suck. The players, with the exception of one or two here and there, suck too.

OL is weak.
RBs are slow.
QB and WR out of sync.
QB is not a play maker.

LB is weak.

I agree the WCO is more of a philosphy than formations. Also, INTs can happen on timing routes when the WR doesn't go to the exact spot the QB has thrown to. However, this happens when the ball is thrown before the break....not after the QB waits to see where the WR ends up and throws it. Hell, if he waited to after the break....the QB should see exactly where the WR is and hit him in the numbers.

I agree Carroll isn't the problem. But he does nothing to help it either.
 
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Playcalling is what makes an offense tick as well as players being coached or at least knowing their roles. Like not running 5 yard curls on 3rd and 12.
 

War Machine Dawg

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Come on, Matt, stop sugarcoating it. Wes most certainly isn't the whole problem with our offense, but he is a part of it. He's the Chad Pennington of the SEC. He has an amazingly weak arm, and can't stretch an opposing defense. We never run anything past about 10-12 yards downfield. Defenses know this and squat on the underneath routes. Combine that with inaccuracy, and you get INTs. Lee may not be that answer either, but I'd try every QB I had before I put Wes back into the game. He's clearly regressed this season. He was never an SEC caliber QB, but with good coaching, he could play better than he has so far this season.

The comparison of offenses is also a huge stretch. The bottom line is our playcalling is terrible. On the 4th-and-1s, everyone knew AD was getting the ball. Everyone here blames AD for dancing, but that's about all he can do. Defenses are sending 8-10 guys on 4th-and-1 because we won't do anything different. The 3rd-and-1 from the 1 foot line when we were down 14-0 was the ball game, as far as I'm concerned. Everyone around me thought we should QB sneak it in, but we also all knew it would be a handoff to AD. Now if we as fans know AD is getting the ball, a defensive coordinator getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars has to know the same thing. Result? Tech sent 9 and AD stopped with ease.

As far as the defense, I thought they might have a letdown after Auburn. They put their hearts and souls into that game only to watch our offense piss it away, as usual. Why go out there and kill yourselves when you know your offense is incapable of moving the ball and, most importantly, scoring points to help you? As far as I'm concerned, the defense could mail in the rest of the season and I wouldn't say a bad word about them. They've been going through this **** for going on 5 years now.

Bottom line, Crxxms must be Croomed. I can't root aGAINST us, but I almost hope we go 1-11 with as many shutouts as possible if it rids us of Crxxms.
 

patdog

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Indndawg said:
WC has gone backwards and he knows it.
As I pointed out throughout last season and all off-season, we will never develop a QB at MSU as long as we have a RB coach trying to coach QBs. Carroll could be an adequate QB given good coaching. But right now, he's probably not getting coached any better than he was in high school.
 

ArrowDawg

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The lack of points from the offense is unfortunately a pattern. It's a pattern that must be thwarted starting Monday. I think Coach Crxxm realized this following Saturday's loss, and that's positive.

Just in case anyone needs another enlightening, please stop making it sound like the offensive problems pertain to just THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!! For God's sake, the offense isn't any better than it was when these fools took over this program! If Crxxm genuinely just now realized something is amiss, then the motherf'er must have been sleepwalking for the last 4 years. Too late. Too late to just suddenly have an epiphany. Every explanation I hear now days just sounds like another excuse to settle down the folks and keep around an incompetent coaching staff so they can milk us dry even more.

Crxxm won't learn just now that it's his job to instill confidence in his players. He won't just now come up with the solution on offense. He and his coaching staff are what they are and won't change enough to make any major difference,. It's a pipe dream to think that's going to happen. After 5 years we should all be intelligent enough to know what we have, and what we have isn't good enough.
 

MaxwellSmart

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since we did develop a QB. We need new blood throughout the football program. Oh and Matt is trying his hand at fiction.
 

ShrubDog

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I think some us forgot how bad we suck on Special Teams.

Bo Walters could punt better than McAdams.

And on every kickoff or Punt Return we run into the pile of blockers and never set any walls up etc.......</p>