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I don't get my info from here. So, I could care less if it was "debunked" on here. I don't believe a word that comes from Trump's mouth. So, I don't believe him walking that back. He took it easy on the white supremacists, because they vote for him in droves. He can't say a word that would make me think otherwise.

The Birtherism stuff had definite racists undertones...again on purpose.

And I'm sure MAGA has more than one meaning as most good slogans...and unfortunately its a good slogan...do, but again I fully believe part of the reason for that is to harken back to the good old days before all the uppity blacks started getting old those damn rights.

If Trump lies all of the time, the racist statements he made (according to you) had to be a lie also-right?
 

NYC_Eer

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don't have to...I don't go around calling people racist either...unless they point the finger first. It's gotten old.

Carter-nice southern man. Cities burned...the NY 5 happened
Reagan-racist...
Bush-racist
Clinton-nice southern man. Harshest crime bill towards minorities enacted
Bush-2nd gen racist
Obama-in spite of racists ..fake racism went main stream
Trump-racist
Biden-nice Scranton man...carried water for Clinton
In my opinion, enacting tough crime bills...that I'm sure most Republicans were all for...is quite a bit different than what Trump has consciously done. Just my opinion.

Its also my opinion that plenty of people hated Obama because he was black. I'd say its a fact, but I'm sure some would argue that point.
 

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In my opinion, enacting tough crime bills...that I'm sure most Republicans were all for...is quite a bit different than what Trump has consciously done. Just my opinion.

Its also my opinion that plenty of people hated Obama because he was black. I'd say its a fact, but I'm sure some would argue that point.

Glad you are adding "my opinion" because that is literally all you have have...no facts just opinions, which I am fine with. I am sure some people did not vote for Obama because he was black...racism is real...but it crosses all party lines...and it's a very small % of the people in America...at least as a proportion of those that can actually impact someone else's life. Most racists barely have control over their own life, let alone impact anyone else.
 

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In my opinion, enacting tough crime bills...that I'm sure most Republicans were all for...is quite a bit different than what Trump has consciously done. Just my opinion.

Its also my opinion that plenty of people hated Obama because he was black. I'd say its a fact, but I'm sure some would argue that point.

He has a 95% approval among Republicans. So either only 5% of Republicans know he organized the crime bill, or your opinion is wrong.

Define "plenty of people"? Is that 5? 500? 50,000? 5 million?
 
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Hahahaha think for yourself, good lord. The Charlottesville thing has been debunked 1000 times on here.

No, it hasn't. He actually said it. You have no defense because there is no defense of it and that's all you have - it has been debunked.

You do realize that NYC_Eer is just another orange man hater, right? Trump could present him with the Nobel Peace Prize, hand him a winning Powerball ticket, and enlarge his penis by three inches, but he'd still hate orange man.

And you're a trump dick sucker, TDS...a moron too.
 

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You do realize that NYC_Eer is just another orange man hater, right? Trump could present him with the Nobel Peace Prize, hand him a winning Powerball ticket, and enlarge his penis by three inches, but he'd still hate orange man.
I mean, Obama could do that for me, I’d still not respect him but I’d say thanks. Especially the part about the extra 3 inches. Story of my life solved.
 

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don't get my info from here. So, I could care less if it was "debunked" on here. I don't believe a word that comes from Trump's mouth. So, I don't believe him walking that back.
He didn’t walk anything back. You believed a media driven lie. Here is the verbatim text. Just admit you’re wrong:

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html

He took it easy on the white supremacists
No, he didn’t. He didn’t during the campaign and he hasn’t since becoming President. He has no control over who votes for him, stop it.
The Birtherism stuff had definite racists undertones...again on purpose.
The birtherism was literally started by Hillary’s campaign. And mind you, there was a ton of supporting documentation of him making those statements to the effect of international birth on websites as a student and state Senator. They’ve since been scrubbed, but it was out there. Birtherism = Russian Collusion.

but again I fully believe part of the reason for that is to harken back to the good old days before all the uppity blacks started getting old those damn rights.
And yet, his record as President would show the exact opposite. His record shows him doing more for the black community than any President since LBJ. His record policy says the following:
  1. First step act: Criminal Justice reform fixing one of the things that have been crushing the black community for decades.
  2. Pardoning blacks who’ve been locked up due to ****** legislation
  3. School choice
  4. Urban enterprise zone
  5. Lowest black unemployment
Just admit, you think we’re all racists because we don’t agree with a system that’s proven out 50 years of data as an abject failure.
Its also my opinion that plenty of people hated Obama because he was black. I'd say its a fact, but I'm sure some would argue that point.
Nope. Plenty of people are racist and didn’t like him for that reason alone. I couldn’t stand Obama, had nothing to do with the color of his skin.
 

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Lol, now John Kelly is ripping Donnie for his last lying tweet that he fired Mattis. He'll always have his boys on here though.
 

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Lol, now John Kelly is ripping Donnie for his last lying tweet that he fired Mattis. He'll always have his boys on here though.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/918207/john-kelly-tacitly-reminds-trump-that-did-not-fire-mattis

"The president did not fire him. He did not ask for his resignation," Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, told the Post. "The president has clearly forgotten how it actually happened or is confused. The president tweeted a very positive tweet about Jim until he started to see on Fox News their interpretation of his letter. Then he got nasty. Jim Mattis is a honorable man."
 

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Who cares whether Trump fired Mattis or not? Convince me that Obama didn't fire him, or force Mattis to resign, in 2013. If Mattis is such a competent and credible leader, then why did Obama fire his a$$? I'll wait for your answer, lefties.
 

tOSUGrad90

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Apparently trump does. That's why he is making up lies about it.
You didn't respond to my challenge, baldy. If your idol Obama didn't fire Mattis or force Mattis to resign, then post your proof. Otherwise, chug a pint of STFU because you lose either way...it's sort of like when you lose a jury trial or you convince your client to accept an unfavorable plea deal instead.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/01/1...ble-mishandling-of-marine-gen-james-mattis-2/
 
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You didn't respond to my challenge, baldy. If your idol Obama didn't fire Mattis or force Mattis to resign, then post your proof. Otherwise, chug a pint of STFU because you lose either way...it's sort of like when you lose a jury trial or you convince your client to accept an unfavorable plea deal instead.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/01/1...ble-mishandling-of-marine-gen-james-mattis-2/


Hmmm, let's see. Who will be viewed more favorable in history? Mattis or trump?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 

NYC_Eer

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He didn’t walk anything back. You believed a media driven lie. Here is the verbatim text. Just admit you’re wrong:

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html


No, he didn’t. He didn’t during the campaign and he hasn’t since becoming President. He has no control over who votes for him, stop it.

The birtherism was literally started by Hillary’s campaign. And mind you, there was a ton of supporting documentation of him making those statements to the effect of international birth on websites as a student and state Senator. They’ve since been scrubbed, but it was out there. Birtherism = Russian Collusion.


And yet, his record as President would show the exact opposite. His record shows him doing more for the black community than any President since LBJ. His record policy says the following:
  1. First step act: Criminal Justice reform fixing one of the things that have been crushing the black community for decades.
  2. Pardoning blacks who’ve been locked up due to ****** legislation
  3. School choice
  4. Urban enterprise zone
  5. Lowest black unemployment
Just admit, you think we’re all racists because we don’t agree with a system that’s proven out 50 years of data as an abject failure.

Nope. Plenty of people are racist and didn’t like him for that reason alone. I couldn’t stand Obama, had nothing to do with the color of his skin.
I don't find what Trump said to be believable regarding Charlottesville. The both sides stuff was BS. The "alt-left" was not to blame...the white supremacists were, and for him to blame both sides was akin to letting them off the hook.

Regarding birtherism, you claim I eat up what the MSM says and regurgitate it. I believe you to do the same thing. Trump made false claims about Clinton starting it. Its not true. If you claim that Trump has no responsibility for his voters, then Hillary has no responsibility for what some of her followers might have started. That is debatable. What isn't is that he was the one that brought it to the mainstream and shouted it from the rooftops. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304
 

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I don't find what Trump said to be believable regarding Charlottesville. The both sides stuff was BS. The "alt-left" was not to blame...the white supremacists were, and for him to blame both sides was akin to letting them off the hook.

The same Antifa being targeted today was in Charlottesville. Don't blame us for your ignorance.

Regarding birtherism, you claim I eat up what the MSM says and regurgitate it. I believe you to do the same thing. Trump made false claims about Clinton starting it. Its not true. If you claim that Trump has no responsibility for his voters, then Hillary has no responsibility for what some of her followers might have started. That is debatable. What isn't is that he was the one that brought it to the mainstream and shouted it from the rooftops. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304

Fact checking the fact check. It's ********.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-05-30/the-democratic-roots-of-the-birther-movement
 

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I don't find what Trump said to be believable regarding Charlottesville. The both sides stuff was BS. The "alt-left" was not to blame...the white supremacists were, and for him to blame both sides was akin to letting them off the hook.

Regarding birtherism, you claim I eat up what the MSM says and regurgitate it. I believe you to do the same thing. Trump made false claims about Clinton starting it. Its not true. If you claim that Trump has no responsibility for his voters, then Hillary has no responsibility for what some of her followers might have started. That is debatable. What isn't is that he was the one that brought it to the mainstream and shouted it from the rooftops. https://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/birther-movement-founder-trump-clinton-228304
He didn’t blame the Left. He defended those on the right who weren’t White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis while simultaneously condemning the White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis. You’re not going to get me on the hill with those not wanting changes to their historical monuments, but he was correct in that there were legitimately people there unaffiliated with the Alt-Right. I don’t have to agree with their position on the monuments, but they had a right to protest just like those on the left did. Sadly, even the Alt-Right is protected.

You’re claiming Trump was the genesis of the birthed movement and responsible for it going mainstream? Ok, I guess when you’re revising history you can make it what ever you want it to be. It doesn’t change the factual element that individuals aligned with the Clinton campaign started it. And if you voted for her then or in 2016, you supported the Birther-movement.
 

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Hmmm, let's see. Who will be viewed more favorable in history? Mattis or trump?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
More diversionary tactics by cue ball. Incompetent Obama fired war hawk Mattis. I win. You lose. Drive home safely, "biker"...
 

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You're on the wrong side, you piece of ****.


Facts are the only side we’re on. If you need to lie in order to make your position stronger, which you do frequently, then it’s pretty telling about the merits of your position.
 

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He didn’t blame the Left. He defended those on the right who weren’t White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis while simultaneously condemning the White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis. You’re not going to get me on the hill with those not wanting changes to their historical monuments, but he was correct in that there were legitimately people there unaffiliated with the Alt-Right. I don’t have to agree with their position on the monuments, but they had a right to protest just like those on the left did. Sadly, even the Alt-Right is protected.

You’re claiming Trump was the genesis of the birthed movement and responsible for it going mainstream? Ok, I guess when you’re revising history you can make it what ever you want it to be. It doesn’t change the factual element that individuals aligned with the Clinton campaign started it. And if you voted for her then or in 2016, you supported the Birther-movement.

Again, liberals can only see black and white, and are shallow, inept, drones. I don't know how to help them.
 

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The same Antifa being targeted today was in Charlottesville. Don't blame us for your ignorance.



Fact checking the fact check. It's ********.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-05-30/the-democratic-roots-of-the-birther-movement
I saw Trump talk about it constantly. He didn't start it. Neither did Clinton. But Clinton didn't walk around talking about it constantly. Trump took it to the main stream and perpetuated it. That is a fact.

You guys either don't believe anything, or only believe that which fits your own narrative. Its very Trump to blame or label someone else for doing the EXACT same things you do.
 

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Who cares whether Trump fired Mattis or not? Convince me that Obama didn't fire him, or force Mattis to resign, in 2013. If Mattis is such a competent and credible leader, then why did Obama fire his a$$? I'll wait for your answer, lefties.
Obama fired him, yes, I assume you can research the reasons, .what is your point? I was talking about what all of the Generals are saying about your boy and our current president yesterday and today, Obama is retired helping Uncle Joe, he can't run anymore or he'd probably have gotten elected in 2016. C'mon man, this is how politics work, ya'll got the incumbent, why is he only campaigning to the folks already gonna vote for him? lol
 
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He didn’t blame the Left. He defended those on the right who weren’t White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis while simultaneously condemning the White Supremacists/Neo-Nazis. You’re not going to get me on the hill with those not wanting changes to their historical monuments, but he was correct in that there were legitimately people there unaffiliated with the Alt-Right. I don’t have to agree with their position on the monuments, but they had a right to protest just like those on the left did. Sadly, even the Alt-Right is protected.

LMAO! It was a "Unite the Right" rally. They were there because they are racists and they were fighting to keep confederate monuments up. They literally marched, chanting, "Jews will not replace us." They marched with confederate flags. They marched with kkk flags and unifroms. They marched with Nazi flags, symbols and swastikas.

GTFOH, idiot. You posted the quote yourself and he said "There were very fine people on both sides."

I'm guessing those confederate monuments are coming down real soon. Bye Bye Robert E. Lee, you f'ucking loser.
 

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Obama fired him, yes, I assume you can research the reasons, .what is your point? I was talking about what all of the Generals are saying about your boy and our current president yesterday and today, Obama is retired helping Uncle Joe, he can't run anymore or he'd probably have gotten elected in 2016. C'mon man, this is how politics work, ya'll got the incumbent, why is he only campaigning to the folks already gonna vote for him? lol
You've resorted to lying, Keyser. I listened to General Robert Spalding disagree with Mattis' criticism of Trump just last night, so stop the bullsh!t. My point is that your TV bible, also known as CNN, tossed one verbal bouquet after another Mattis' way, and built Mattis up to be the most credible being ever to walk the Planet, but even your hero canned his a$$. If you need more of an explanation, then use both hands to extract your head from your a$$ next time before posting.
 

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I saw Trump talk about it constantly. He didn't start it. Neither did Clinton. But Clinton didn't walk around talking about it constantly. Trump took it to the main stream and perpetuated it. That is a fact.

You guys either don't believe anything, or only believe that which fits your own narrative. Its very Trump to blame or label someone else for doing the EXACT same things you do.

Trump did not collude with the Russians but $75,000,000 + later, people like you are still talking about it....Saying someone was born in Kenya vs. Saying someone is a traitor (which carries death by hanging)-which is worse? It's excessive force...only in politics...Hay Barry, you were born in another country...Hay Donny, you are a traitor and we are going to try and throw you in prison and hang you.

 

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LMAO! It was a "Unite the Right" rally. They were there because they are racists and they were fighting to keep confederate monuments up. They literally marched, chanting, "Jews will not replace us." They marched with confederate flags. They marched with kkk flags and unifroms. They marched with Nazi flags, symbols and swastikas.

GTFOH, idiot. You posted the quote yourself and he said "There were very fine people on both sides."

I'm guessing those confederate monuments are coming down real soon. Bye Bye Robert E. Lee, you f'ucking loser.
Keep raging, it doesn’t change reality.
 

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Its also my opinion that plenty of people hated Obama because he was black. I'd say its a fact, but I'm sure some would argue that point.
No argument from me.....racism is alive and well in this country......on many sides.....there are a lot of evil and bad people in the world.
In my opinion......plenty of Black people voted for Obama strictly because he is half Black......You agree?