May be Germans, but the ecoCar team won in Cali...(link)
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..meanwhile, what with gas @ $3.50 a gallon & destined to rise, millions of petro-fueled vehicles around the world spewing ******** into the air 24/7, screw the improved cars.
Give us more rockets.
Give us more rockets.
I like that MSU is getting such publicity. Now maybe they can actually create a car that is fuel efficient that the masses can actually buy instead of the crap Detroit is putting out now. America is a nation that will not move away from the hated fossil fuels. It's just not possible given the distances we all travel. Europe and other small nations can because they travel short distances or travel by train.
it might be nice to have a widespread high speed ra...nevermind<div>
</div><div>in 10 or 20 years americans will be bitching about the lack of high speed rail systems and $10/gallon for gas. by the time gas gets expensive enough to cause the public to shift their thinking in travel away from gas guzzlers to eco-friendly cars and high speed rail, we will still be a decade away from putting together an adequate rail system. </div><div>
</div><div>also, you don't have to be a hippie liberal communist to realize it's in the world's best interest to pump research into eco-friendly car engines.</div>
</div><div>in 10 or 20 years americans will be bitching about the lack of high speed rail systems and $10/gallon for gas. by the time gas gets expensive enough to cause the public to shift their thinking in travel away from gas guzzlers to eco-friendly cars and high speed rail, we will still be a decade away from putting together an adequate rail system. </div><div>
</div><div>also, you don't have to be a hippie liberal communist to realize it's in the world's best interest to pump research into eco-friendly car engines.</div>
By the way, we wouldn't have to rely on foreign oil if libs would let us drill. We have enough supply at our disposal to provide for several generations. And MOST of our "foreign" oil comes from Canada and then Brazil anyway.
Again, we'll never be a society that can function without oil. We require too much travel as a people. I couldn't imagine families being forced to travel in the eco-friendly matchboxes we have to choose from. Could you see families of 4-5 traveling around in those? They couldn't! You travel 100 miles and have to stop to "charge" your car which would take a few hours. What a fun vacation to the Coast that would be!!! Yippee!
Again, we'll never be a society that can function without oil. We require too much travel as a people. I couldn't imagine families being forced to travel in the eco-friendly matchboxes we have to choose from. Could you see families of 4-5 traveling around in those? They couldn't! You travel 100 miles and have to stop to "charge" your car which would take a few hours. What a fun vacation to the Coast that would be!!! Yippee!
The engines for our military's Atlas missiles are bought from, get this, RUSSIA.
Let that sink in.
Edited to add: Speaking of Germans, ours from Penemunde are all dead now.
Let that sink in.
Edited to add: Speaking of Germans, ours from Penemunde are all dead now.
The Delta IV uses an American designed and built rocket. Not to mention the engine SpaceX developed for its recently launched mission. They've got another engine in the works for a heavy lifter. It's probably as good a time as any to be in the rocket development industry in the US.
And build something like a 35 mpg Tahoe, that would be in my drive before you could blink. Instead it looks like a multiple year science fair in which GM just wants their name attached to it.
30mpg cars. Many were being marketed in Europe. The fact is GM is driven by unions and can`t make enough money selling smaller, more fuel efficient cars to support their bloated,expensive work force.
Lets try to keep this from getting locked...
The team scored 952/1000 possible points, setting an all-time record for Advanced Vehicle Technology Competitions.
Videographic evidence:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=233721340077304
Some textual evidence:
http://wheels.blogs.nytim...n-in-ecocar-2-challenge/
[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/24/idUS137021
The team scored 952/1000 possible points, setting an all-time record for Advanced Vehicle Technology Competitions.
Videographic evidence:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=233721340077304
Some textual evidence:
http://wheels.blogs.nytim...n-in-ecocar-2-challenge/
[url=http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/24/idUS137021
i'd think it has more to do with relationships between auto companies and oil companies. fuel efficient cars still need to be built just like gas guzzlers. and many cost more, not less. and if there was a good car balancing fuel efficiency, size, and performance, GM wouldn't be able to build them fast enough. and there's nothing that says a fuel efficient car lasts longer or has less mechanical issues than a gas guzzler.<div>thatsbaseball said:
</div><div>so i guess i'm failing to see how in any way, shape, or form how focusing on fuel efficient cars wouldn't make just as much money or more as selling gas guzzlers.</div>
And hopefully we'll never have an adequate because it would be idiotic for us to. If we end up in a position where mass transportation is needed, buses would be a much better option.dawgs said:
The only reason people focus on highspeed rails is that Yuppies like them. (Although in their defense, they are awesome when you get to ride them but other people have to pay for them)
in 2007 that many didn`t even know existed. I am a staunch believer that clean running,fuel efficient cars should be a cornerstone of any legitimate energypolicy we ever eventually come up with.
...comes from? Thin air? Electric cars are a cute novelty, but are a waste of time and money and wont "help" the environment one ioda. The Volt costs over 30k and maint on them turns out to be extremely expensive
They're probably low for the EcoCar competition, and there are a lot of benefits for the participants even if they don't meaningfully contribute to improvements in energy efficiency for cars, and to the extent it's not government money being used, it's really not anybody else's job to think about the costs.
But on bigger "feel good" issues, not thinking about the costs is how you end up with ethanol mandates, wind farm subsidies, renewable energy portfolios, DOE loan guarantees for solar panel <span style="text-decoration: underline;">production</span>, and a bunch of other **** that just destroys wealth when that money could be spent on mosquito nets, water purification systems, sewer systems, DDT, or other **** we know how to do that would provide a big net gain in human welfare.
But on bigger "feel good" issues, not thinking about the costs is how you end up with ethanol mandates, wind farm subsidies, renewable energy portfolios, DOE loan guarantees for solar panel <span style="text-decoration: underline;">production</span>, and a bunch of other **** that just destroys wealth when that money could be spent on mosquito nets, water purification systems, sewer systems, DDT, or other **** we know how to do that would provide a big net gain in human welfare.
..over the electric. With the regulations that have been put on the coal industry,and not building nuclear plants, where will the power to run these toys come from?
You get better performance, faster acceleration, cleaner emissions (even using electricitygenerated by coal is much cleaner than any combustion engine), lower maintenance costs, and lower fuel costs with electric. Total electric is a bad idea because of the range. But plug-in hybrids will be the cars of the future.
If you're talking about it being cheaper in the context of electric cars, presumably what you're worried about is not how the cost of a kwh compares to a gallon of gasoline, but how much money it costs to move an electric car a mile versus moving a traditional car a mile. And that's assuming you ignore cargo capacity and the capital costs of the car as irrelevant (which for most people they aren't).
And all you can really say about electric cars as far as being clean is that they move the source of any resulting pollution away from the car, generally to whatever area the electricity is generated and where ever the inputs to the batter are produced.
And all you can really say about electric cars as far as being clean is that they move the source of any resulting pollution away from the car, generally to whatever area the electricity is generated and where ever the inputs to the batter are produced.
i fail to follow why buses are ok, but high speed rails are apparently evil.<div>
</div><div>by mass transportation, i'm referring to people using a high speed rail to get from memphis to new orleans for a weekend trip. make 2-3 stops along the way in MS. depending on the stops, you'd drive an hour or so, which uses far less gas than driving all the way to new orleans, and a high speed rail would be faster than driving once you get on the train. if you still wanna drive, that's your choice. i mean, trains would essentially become the southwest airline of travel. i wouldn't wanna take one across the country, but for those 2-3 hour flights/6-10 hour drive distances, they'd be a great choice.</div><div>
</div><div>but again, i fail to see why buses are ok and high speed rails aren't.</div>
</div><div>by mass transportation, i'm referring to people using a high speed rail to get from memphis to new orleans for a weekend trip. make 2-3 stops along the way in MS. depending on the stops, you'd drive an hour or so, which uses far less gas than driving all the way to new orleans, and a high speed rail would be faster than driving once you get on the train. if you still wanna drive, that's your choice. i mean, trains would essentially become the southwest airline of travel. i wouldn't wanna take one across the country, but for those 2-3 hour flights/6-10 hour drive distances, they'd be a great choice.</div><div>
</div><div>but again, i fail to see why buses are ok and high speed rails aren't.</div>
i feel like some of yall are ready to pull the plug on electric and hybrid cars because they aren't yet perfect (not strong enough, limited range, etc). the only way they are getting there is to continue to push forward to with R&D. and for the future, it's worth investing.
an electric car necessitate owning a second car for most people ? Having to own a second car instead of just owning one car would offsetquite a bit ofthe electric car`s pluses IMO.</p>
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