Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see how any HS player wavering between...
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that no one is going to make a decision based on one bowl game.
However, if there are recruits who have been committed to us for a while, watched this season unfold, and now want to go to Ole Miss......
Mcready suggested that Brassell and Singleton might want to play at OM b/c they can get immediate playing time at WR. Well, hell, they would play immediately at State too.
However, if there are recruits who have been committed to us for a while, watched this season unfold, and now want to go to Ole Miss......
Mcready suggested that Brassell and Singleton might want to play at OM b/c they can get immediate playing time at WR. Well, hell, they would play immediately at State too.
Relf isn't all world, but he is proof that Mullen and staff will run circles around nutt when it comes to developing a QB. Nutt isn't called the "QB killer" for nothing. The bears are bringing in a hodgepodge of qb recruits that didn't make it at other schools and a high school qb who reportedly can't hit a bull in the *** with a banjo, and nutt is going to make him any better?
they will definitely get immediate time at MSU because one, because Dan likes to play a LOT of WRs, and two, WR is still one of our least talented positions on the field if you really look at it. We have some serviceable receivers and most are young but its not like we are loaded with guys that can't be beat out and we certainly need more speed at the position. If playing time is a factor with any commit possibly wavering it might be with Whitehead, we definitely have a much deeper secondary returning than UM plus they've lost some of their best DB HS commits.
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I'm curious to see how their atmosphere stacks up when people are excited about the games over there. This season, I know there was no comparison because I went to games at both. I think this would be something a recruit would notice.
In the 2009 recruiting class, following a 45-0 Egg Bowl drumming and a very impressive 6 game win streak to close our season, with us finishing 14th and 15th in the respective polls, while you went through a coaching change following a 4-8 season, you beat us out for Dennis Thames, Chad Bumphis, Pernell McPhee, Tyler Russell, Deontae Skinner, Josh Boyd, Fletcher Cox, and Cameron Lawrence just to name the big ones. We beat you out for Emmanuel McCray and Pat Patterson.
You dominated us in the 2009 class for a lot of top head to head prospects despite the upheavel in your program and despite how strong we looked.
That's why I was saying a few days ago that recruiting in Mississippi is never really going to be dominated by one team over the other for the long haul. Momentum on the field doesn't directly translate to momentum on the recruiting trail in this state.
It's almost always going to be a 50/50 in-state split for the top prospects over the long haul. Some years will go one way or the other, but it all balances out. If we did close strong on some prospects, it would make as much sense as your 2009 close on in-state prospects.
You dominated us in the 2009 class for a lot of top head to head prospects despite the upheavel in your program and despite how strong we looked.
That's why I was saying a few days ago that recruiting in Mississippi is never really going to be dominated by one team over the other for the long haul. Momentum on the field doesn't directly translate to momentum on the recruiting trail in this state.
It's almost always going to be a 50/50 in-state split for the top prospects over the long haul. Some years will go one way or the other, but it all balances out. If we did close strong on some prospects, it would make as much sense as your 2009 close on in-state prospects.
What happened to Vincent Sanders? Did he red shirt? Seems like they could have used him this year if he was as good as all the hype and freaking out that went on around him form both sides during recruiting. This is not a jab Rebel lurkers. I honestly want to know what happened to him. Haven't heard his name mentioned since last Febraury.
First, most of the best guys in MS that we got that year were already committed to us well before the 2008 season went down the crapper (mostly off our Liberty Bowl season success). However, our lackluster performance that year did cost us Patterson's commitment. Second, we made a HC change that year and made it clear we were not going to be satisfied with Croom's ineptness. Mullen came in and did a heck of a job holding the class together and added Bumphis. You guys on the other hand, this year, appear to not even be willing to change out some assistants that performed horribly this year (primarily Nix). Now maybe the change will come later after recruiting but who knows. I do agree though that one bowl game is certainly not going to in and of itself flip a commitment in-state so I wouldn't look for us to switch any UM in-state commitments just because we had a good Gator Bowl game. Murray may be riding the fence but he's been doing that for a while now.
All those guys committed before the season, following our Liberty Bowl year and your 0-8 SEC season. Then we simply held onto them through a bad season and a coaching change. We didn't flip them.
Y'all are talking about FLIPPING guys like Whitehead after we just had a good season and y'all sucked. That's why there's suspicion.
Y'all are talking about FLIPPING guys like Whitehead after we just had a good season and y'all sucked. That's why there's suspicion.
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The main reason for this, in my opinion, was Dan Mullen. Had Croom been there, we certainly would not have come close to landing that many. Fast forward to today...now you've got what even you guys would consider a head coach who is on thin ice in Oxford. These recruits know this as well. If any of these guys flip, you can bet it won't be because of Houston Nutt.
Only to realize that HS football kids simply don't look at it like that.
As fans, we can't see any rational reason why a player wouldn't sign with MSU instead of Ole Miss, and based on results, you would be right. MSU clearly has the better team right now. Unfortunately I can still remember wondering why Darren Williams would sign with MSU with Ole Miss having a great QB, MSU just turning ina crappy season, and it appeared that MSU might get in NCAA trouble. So what happens? A kid from a town that had been good to Ole Miss in the past goes to MSU.
Honestly, I don't see why any top flight WR would want to go to MSU or Ole Miss. I would go to Arkansas, Georgia, or maybe even Tennessee. All have fairly good QB's and they have put up some solid receiving stats.The only WR that either school has produced in the last 10 years that has made a significant impact in the NFL is Mike Wallace and despite that we are apparently the finalist for Tobias Singleton. Makes no sense to me.
As fans, we can't see any rational reason why a player wouldn't sign with MSU instead of Ole Miss, and based on results, you would be right. MSU clearly has the better team right now. Unfortunately I can still remember wondering why Darren Williams would sign with MSU with Ole Miss having a great QB, MSU just turning ina crappy season, and it appeared that MSU might get in NCAA trouble. So what happens? A kid from a town that had been good to Ole Miss in the past goes to MSU.
Honestly, I don't see why any top flight WR would want to go to MSU or Ole Miss. I would go to Arkansas, Georgia, or maybe even Tennessee. All have fairly good QB's and they have put up some solid receiving stats.The only WR that either school has produced in the last 10 years that has made a significant impact in the NFL is Mike Wallace and despite that we are apparently the finalist for Tobias Singleton. Makes no sense to me.
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what happens in a season is good enough to swing one or two recruits that are legitimately on the fence, 50/50. I think our 2007 season swayed Charles Mitchell. I also think that beating Alabama in Tuscaloosa helped close out 2007 strong. Most guys are just leans from the get go for various reasons (family, grew up a fan, etc.). But you're right, it's not enough to affect a whole recruiting class. </p>
this happen. One of us have a season like this while the other has a season like OM had. A major recruit who is undecided in Jan or a commit to the school that won big signs with the school that had a losing season?
Darren Williams signed in 2002 when we were not yet under investigation and ole miss,while going 7-4, didn't go to a bowl game.
Maybe Im forgetting someone, but I just don't remember it happening.
Darren Williams signed in 2002 when we were not yet under investigation and ole miss,while going 7-4, didn't go to a bowl game.
Maybe Im forgetting someone, but I just don't remember it happening.
It was always going to be Florida, Alabama, or Mississippi State. Alabama fell off because he realized they were thinking about playing him at defensive back. When we hired Mullen, he had the perfect scenario: play close to home (his mom was pushing for this all along) and play the role of Percy Harvin (in his mind) under Mullen.
MSU beat out Ole Miss for Quinten Culberson, Omarr Conner, Devrick Hampton, and Corey Clark.
That was after a 2002 season that saw MSU have its second consecutive terrible season, and we beat Nebraska in the Indy Bowl. Now of course this isn't the same type performance that y'all had in the Gator bowl, but considering the circumstances back to back terrible seasons for MSU, Sherrill on the hot seat.
Im not saying it is exactly the same, Im just pointing out that when one team is struggling and the other isn't, that doesn't mean that the team having the better season at the time will finish strong.</p>
That was after a 2002 season that saw MSU have its second consecutive terrible season, and we beat Nebraska in the Indy Bowl. Now of course this isn't the same type performance that y'all had in the Gator bowl, but considering the circumstances back to back terrible seasons for MSU, Sherrill on the hot seat.
Im not saying it is exactly the same, Im just pointing out that when one team is struggling and the other isn't, that doesn't mean that the team having the better season at the time will finish strong.</p>
Now both teams had terrible seasons in 2006 and we lost Elliot to MSU, but once again that had nothing to do with on field performance. We lose Elliot there if we go 7-5 instead of 4-8. Just too many things working against us.
As for Brassell, I have no idea what he is going to do, his recruitment has been odd and nothing would surprise me. As for Singleton, normally I would say that we have several things in our corner, former teammates on theteam, family member at the school, history of players from his high school, yet despite all of that I think MSU gets him. What the hell do I know though?
As for Brassell, I have no idea what he is going to do, his recruitment has been odd and nothing would surprise me. As for Singleton, normally I would say that we have several things in our corner, former teammates on theteam, family member at the school, history of players from his high school, yet despite all of that I think MSU gets him. What the hell do I know though?
that's why this is so different. In Brassell, Whitehead and Singleton you are talking about 2 guys already publically committed to MSU and another who has been thought to be a pretty heavy lean to MSU for a while now. For UM to come in this late and pull all of those guys with the flop of a season just completed would be a first for anything I've ever seen. All the past scenarios where the "weaker" program maybe got some top MS guys the other wanted it was never a case of getting a guy to totally flip his public commitment late in the process. If some of these guys had already committed to UM or were heavy leans since early in the season then I wouldn't have been surprised for them to stick with UM even through a bad year.
Very raw and very, very skinny.Good attitude so he's not a Pat Patbut not nearly the big, physical guy likePatterson that could get past a lack of fundamentals by using physical strength. It worried me a bit that he wasn't ready to contribute at least some this year.