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Help me out here. When did Trump become a champion for the military? Wasn't this the same guy who pissed all over John McCain's military service and sacrifice? Didn't he say this? “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” I guess this comment was based on his extensive compassion for military service and sacrifice, eh?
The current occupant in the White House has cut the military budget to what some are calling dangerous levels. He also has not lifted a finger to correct the problems in the V.A. in some places. Trump is going to put much needed money into the military and many currently in the military will receive raises. And a serious attempt is going to be made to fix the V.A. problems including the firing of of incompetent people running the V.A. which has had problems for years. Actions speak louder than words.
 
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Did you happen to see that some college students are SO upset with the election results that they just can't take tests and some tests and classes have been cancelled? Counselors have actually been brought in to help the little darlings. In some cases they have been given play doh and crayons. I am NOT making this up! Unreal. Who is raising these kids? This is what happens when everyone gets a trophy. Aren't you proud to see your tax money being spent wisely?
 

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I know right!!
Since the Pussification of America has been the agenda of the current Administration, these people don't know how to act if they don't get a participation trophy!
 

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Did you happen to see that some college students are SO upset with the election results that they just can't take tests and some tests and classes have been cancelled? Counselors have actually been brought in to help the little darlings. In some cases they have been given play doh and crayons. I am NOT making this up! Unreal. Who is raising these kids? This is what happens when everyone gets a trophy. Aren't you proud to see your tax money being spent wisely?
This is what happens when you give everyone participation trophies.
 
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Trump is going to put much needed money into the military and many currently in the military will receive raises. Actions speak louder than words.
How is he going to pay for that? Didn't he rail against the exploding national debt? He also said he's going to greatly increase infrastructure spending and enact tax cuts. Everyone gets a trophy on the campaign trail, right?
 

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You should focus on important things in your life like learning 3rd grade English and not focus on big boy topics like politics.
The mere fact that you consider 3rd grade english (which does not need to be capitalized mid sentence) to be a focus in life shows why you are acting the way that you are. Grow up and move on. Acceptance and acknowledgement of defeat is a quality. Embrace it.
 
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How is he going to pay for that? Didn't he rail against the exploding national debt? He also said he's going to greatly increase infrastructure spending and enact tax cuts. Everyone gets a trophy on the campaign trail, right?
Hillary didn't even get a ribbon!!!
 
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How is he going to pay for that? Didn't he rail against the exploding national debt? He also said he's going to greatly increase infrastructure spending and enact tax cuts. Everyone gets a trophy on the campaign trail, right?
You take money from programs that aren't working (and there are a bunch) and you put it into ones that will. We should never skimp on military spending. I love it when someone says taxes need to be cut and then some genius comes along and says "how are you going to pay for it?" We see it all the time on TV by so-called experts.
You cut spending in unnecessary places. We have a ton of places that can see spending cuts.

By the way military veterans in Ohio voted for Trump over Hillary 2 to 1. AND in NC and Florida, in a number of counties military veterans cast more votes for Trump than they did for either Romney in 2012 and McCain in 2008. Just saying.
 

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The current occupant in the White House has cut the military budget to what some are calling dangerous levels
Totally agree. What are data and facts anyways? Just mere numbers I suppose.
 
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You take money from programs that aren't working (and there are a bunch) and you put it into ones that will. We should never skimp on military spending. I love it when someone says taxes need to be cut and then some genius comes along and says "how are you going to pay for it?" We see it all the time on TV by so-called experts.
You cut spending in unnecessary places. We have a ton of places that can see spending cuts.
Yes. You take money from programs that aren't working. But, you don't just do that unilaterally, like in business. As someone who has worked in both the private and public sectors, there has never been a president elected in the modern era who is more unprepared for office than Trump. Of course, being a political outsider was one of his most attractive traits to many who voted for him. Let's see how he governs. He has majorities in both houses of congress, so he is in an advantageous position. There should be no excuses. The question is: is this the right outsider? Afterall, this is a guy who sold steaks on the Sharper Image. My sense is PT Barnum has become president, but we shall see.
 

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The mere fact that you consider 3rd grade english (which does not need to be capitalized mid sentence) to be a focus in life shows why you are acting the way that you are. Grow up and move on. Acceptance and acknowledgement of defeat is a quality. Embrace it.

On what planet does the word English, when relating to the people or the language, need not be capitalized? Were you involved in some kind of industrial accident? Dropped on your head as a child?

Also, reading is fundamental, and I clearly stated I voted for Trump in an earlier post. Dumb asses like you are making us all look like we need help tying our shoes, so I wish you would pull your lower lip over your head and swallow.
 
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On what planet does the word English, when relating to the people or the language, need not be capitalized? Were you involved in some kind of industrial accident? Dropped on your head as a child?

Also, reading is fundamental, and I clearly stated I voted for Trump in an earlier post. Dumb asses like you are making us all look like we need help tying our shoes, so I wish you would pull your lower lip over your head and swallow.
I wont call you any names and I will not tell you to 'F' off. What I will do, unlike you are capable of is admit when I am wrong and you did say you voted for him. What I will not do is be pushed around by you. You want Edgy to stop this thread because your not happy. If that's the case, you may as well as voted for Hillary. Again, you have a right to your opinion. You also have the right to change the channel. Is that English enough for you. I did that on purpose so you can say my 3rd grade punctuation needs help.

Enjoy your day!
 

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MC63: I refer you to my second point.

Alright. This gets very personal. I am black and I thought Van Jones articulated exactly the way I felt going to sleep on election night better than I ever could. Race is always the obvious tension in this country but too easily it becomes the excuse for all sides to discredit someone of the opposite opinion. False labels are wrong to place on people no matter who it comes from.

I have a problem with people discrediting others just because they can. Because it wont effect them one way or another. Because they don't have to be concerned with the some of the same things as others.

Too many people confuse privilege with racism. Fact is, I don't believe I know a whole lot of racist people personally. That being said, I do believe its has become very easy to say "I'm not a racist, therefore you're label of me or your point is invalid." The affect of privilege has the same effect on those without it as racism/sexism does. Just because the label is wrong doesn't mean outcomes are any different.

Ignazio, I feel like this is your point #2 in action. This may be an assumption, I admit. You have the privilege of knowing that you may not be racist but also that for the most part you are not adversely effected by it anyway. It doesn't apply to you so why give it any merit.

Someone brought it up but it goes with my point. Do ALL LIVES MATTER? Yes. Let's be real though. BLACK LIVES MATTER is a movement to address 2 specific epidemics. Police brutality against blacks and black on black violence. Are these not serious concerns in the black community that need to be addressed? Should I not look both internally and externally for help resolving these concerns? My support of that does not mean I care less about all people, especially my friends who I went to school with or have coached with that are cops. Why would someone present ALL LIVES MATTER as an opposing movement to BLACK LIVES MATTER? To somenone like me it is hard not to feel somewhat disrespected. I'd rather just see it as ignorance. I don't necessarily think that the person is a racist, although they very well may be. I believe that it stems from the privilege of not having to be concerned with specific things that impact me either directly or indirectly and therefore having the ability to disregard it.
 
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Yes. You take money from programs that aren't working. But, you don't just do that unilaterally, like in business. As someone who has worked in both the private and public sectors, there has never been a president elected in the modern era who is more unprepared for office than Trump. Of course, being a political outsider was one of his most attractive traits to many who voted for him. Let's see how he governs. He has majorities in both houses of congress, so he is in an advantageous position. There should be no excuses. The question is: is this the right outsider? Afterall, this is a guy who sold steaks on the Sharper Image. My sense is PT Barnum has become president, but we shall see.
If P.T. Barnum became President what does it say about Hillary?
 
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If P.T. Barnum became President what does it say about Hillary?
She should be extremely embarrassed to lose to a guy with no experience and a propensity to stick his foot in his mouth at every conceivable opportunity. She was a highly flawed candidate.

Let's see how PT governs. I got a kick out of the look on his face when he met with Obama yesterday. Looked like he had that oh-sh*t-what-have-I-gotten-myself-into look. I'm not sure even ol PT thought he was going to win the election. Let's hope he surrounds himself with qualified people, because we know he's stuck on stupid. He'll need excellent advisors.
 

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Alright. This gets very personal. I am black and I thought Van Jones articulated exactly the way I felt going to sleep on election night better than I ever could. Race is always the obvious tension in this country but too easily it becomes the excuse for all sides to discredit someone of the opposite opinion. False labels are wrong to place on people no matter who it comes from.

I have a problem with people discrediting others just because they can. Because it wont effect them one way or another. Because they don't have to be concerned with the some of the same things as others.

Too many people confuse privilege with racism. Fact is, I don't believe I know a whole lot of racist people personally. That being said, I do believe its has become very easy to say "I'm not a racist, therefore you're label of me or your point is invalid." The affect of privilege has the same effect on those without it as racism/sexism does. Just because the label is wrong doesn't mean outcomes are any different.

Ignazio, I feel like this is your point #2 in action. This may be an assumption, I admit. You have the privilege of knowing that you may not be racist but also that for the most part you are not adversely effected by it anyway. It doesn't apply to you so why give it any merit.

Someone brought it up but it goes with my point. Do ALL LIVES MATTER? Yes. Let's be real though. BLACK LIVES MATTER is a movement to address 2 specific epidemics. Police brutality against blacks and black on black violence. Are these not serious concerns in the black community that need to be addressed? Should I not look both internally and externally for help resolving these concerns? My support of that does not mean I care less about all people, especially my friends who I went to school with or have coached with that are cops. Why would someone present ALL LIVES MATTER as an opposing movement to BLACK LIVES MATTER? To somenone like me it is hard not to feel somewhat disrespected. I'd rather just see it as ignorance. I don't necessarily think that the person is a racist, although they very well may be. I believe that it stems from the privilege of not having to be concerned with specific things that impact me either directly or indirectly and therefore having the ability to disregard it.
I agree with 99 % of what you have posted. Very well thought out! IMO you are right on as far as the privilege/sexism is concerned but the privileges are embedded in our entire society. My hope would be that when mentioned privilege that you are taking into consideration that privilege is not exclusively relegated to just white folks or men. There are in fact people who are more privileged than others within the black community. Politicians, celebrities, professional athletes, better educated people, wealthy people, etc., all have more privileges than others. Some earned those privileges, many did not.

I am a retired 42 year law enforcement officer who had the privilege of being "race normed" on a promotional exam in the City of Chicago in addition to many others. I also observed very many good black police officers who never were promoted while others with the privilege of knowing the right political/internal PD contacts did. IMO it goes both ways in our society and will never be completely eradicated,

I, like you, am also greatly concerned with the out of control violent crime in many communities not only in Chicago but all the major cities and also any type of police brutality, misconduct or disrespect of people regardless of their ethnicity. I also know that police officers do not always make good decisions regarding the use of deadly force. That said, I also have never known a police officer who went to work thinking I am going to physically assault or kill someone today. Almost all the police shooting incidents in the media lately could have been completely avoided if those civilians had complied with the police officers instructions and/or not physically resisted arrest.

I am more than dumbfounded that the people in charge at the highest levels of our federal, state and local governments have not used the power of their office to instruct all of their constituents not obstruct or resist a police officer in the performance of the duties. If an officer has over stepped his authority (does happen) we have courts of law which can and will penalize that officer and/or his department.
 

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Alright. This gets very personal. I am black and I thought Van Jones articulated exactly the way I felt going to sleep on election night better than I ever could. Race is always the obvious tension in this country but too easily it becomes the excuse for all sides to discredit someone of the opposite opinion. False labels are wrong to place on people no matter who it comes from.

I have a problem with people discrediting others just because they can. Because it wont effect them one way or another. Because they don't have to be concerned with the some of the same things as others.

Too many people confuse privilege with racism. Fact is, I don't believe I know a whole lot of racist people personally. That being said, I do believe its has become very easy to say "I'm not a racist, therefore you're label of me or your point is invalid." The affect of privilege has the same effect on those without it as racism/sexism does. Just because the label is wrong doesn't mean outcomes are any different.

Ignazio, I feel like this is your point #2 in action. This may be an assumption, I admit. You have the privilege of knowing that you may not be racist but also that for the most part you are not adversely effected by it anyway. It doesn't apply to you so why give it any merit.

Someone brought it up but it goes with my point. Do ALL LIVES MATTER? Yes. Let's be real though. BLACK LIVES MATTER is a movement to address 2 specific epidemics. Police brutality against blacks and black on black violence. Are these not serious concerns in the black community that need to be addressed? Should I not look both internally and externally for help resolving these concerns? My support of that does not mean I care less about all people, especially my friends who I went to school with or have coached with that are cops. Why would someone present ALL LIVES MATTER as an opposing movement to BLACK LIVES MATTER? To somenone like me it is hard not to feel somewhat disrespected. I'd rather just see it as ignorance. I don't necessarily think that the person is a racist, although they very well may be. I believe that it stems from the privilege of not having to be concerned with specific things that impact me either directly or indirectly and therefore having the ability to disregard it.
OK let me field some of this. First of all, in my opinion, Van Jones is a racist human being regardless of what you or anyone else says. His White Lash comments were highly offensive, We know what the words mean and we definitely know what he means with the word "lash." We know what Jeremiah Wright has been saying in his church for decades. These guys mince no words. These guys continuously paint white conservatives as being racist. There are dozens of examples of it and Jones did it again on Tuesday night. There are also others like them. Racism is a two way street.

These are the people who say if anyone disagrees with the current President they must be racist. That is one of the first things that comes out of their mouths. Not once in a while, every time. It became a situation where the same people said if you vote against Hillary you don't want a woman in the White House. A guy on this board said those very words.

I have been critical of the current President but his race has absolutely nothing to do with it. I was just as critical of Bill Clinton and he is as white as me. It is all based on ideology. I simply don't agree with either of their views or the direction they wanted to take the country. That's it and that's always been it. I don't have any black friends. But, I do have a lot of friends who happen to be black.

The things that come out of the mouths of Jones, Wright, Sharpton and others are doing nothing to bring anyone together. And I don't believe that is their goal either.

But let me ask you something in earnest. Let's just say that white voters did vote for Trump in their own best interests. I not sure that happened but let's just say it did.

Why is that racist as Jones suggests? Why did Jones even inject race into this? Is it possible they voted for the person they thought was the best candidate?

Why is it OK for blacks to vote in their best interests as blacks? Why is it OK for gays to vote in their best interests? Why is it OK for women to vote in their best interests as women? Why is it OK for other minority groups to vote in their best interests?

Why is it, when all of these people vote in their best interests no one on the left says or thinks anything about it? But the minute whites vote in their best interest it is somehow racist or privileged? Why is that?

Don't we vote in our best interests and what we think are the best interests of the country? Hillary Clinton said during the campaign of 1992 and I quote "when you go into the voting booth to vote, ask yourself, what's in it for me?"

No question the grievance of the black Lives Matter movement is about police brutality against blacks. It's real in some places. But, maybe I missed something out there but I don't think I have ever heard anyone in the Black Lives Matter movement say it is a movement against black-on-black crime. Maybe you can shed some light on that and help me out with some examples. if that is true as well then I am for that. I think where the confusion comes from is in the name. Had they added the word "too" at the end of it, it would be clearer as to what their goal is. To simply say Black Lives Matter sounds to some people as if those are the only lives that matter, hence the All Lives Matter push back.

I am not one who hurries to the top of the mountain to say " I am not racist!!" Personally, I know who I am so it doesn't matter either way what others think. I have always felt suspect of someone who professes his innocence without being accused of anything.

We will have to wait to see what happens with the new President. He is the first one on our side to even try to reach out to the minority groups in a while. He received more votes from the back community than Romney did. Many of the Hispanics in Florida that the media thought were going to vote for Hillary did in fact vote for Trump. By the way I can't stand putting people in groups but feel like I have to in this case.

My hunch is that Trump will reach out to the inner cities in an attempt to help them help themselves and make their lives better. How that will go no one knows. But I am certain of this. If Trump is able to reach out to them and they see progress and improvement in their lives the Democrats will lose that voting block forever.

I apologize for the length of the post but I want to say one more thing. One of my very best friends, who was in my wedding, (and I can produce the picture) happens to be a black man. We have known each other since we were in Little League. I can't count the number of times he has been to my house for dinner and to visit. My kids are adults and they grew up around him. There is nothing I wouldn't do for that man. We have talked about everything over the years. He voted for Obama, I didn't. We respected each other's decision because we both made the decision on our logic. I have taken him into bars where he is the only black man there and he has taken me into bars where I am the only white man.

I have to be honest. I felt like I was treated better than he was. And I can tell you why. Fear and lack of fear. I had no fear going into the bar he took me into. That was based on experience in the neighborhood I grew up in which was predominately black. To me those people were just people. However when he went into the bar I took him in it was different. The people there didn't say a word. It actually got quiet for about 30 seconds. That was a long time. I felt like those people treated him that way out of fear, unfounded as it was. I know what a person who happens to be black goes through that a white person doesn't because I have seen it. Do I understand it completely and feel it. No, I couldn't.

Fear drives anger. But I don't think the people who are showing fear really need to. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised by this President. I have heard a lot that he is a different man behind closed doors than what we saw during the campaign. But time will tell.
 
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I agree with 99 % of what you have posted. Very well thought out! IMO you are right on as far as the privilege/sexism is concerned but the privileges are embedded in our entire society. My hope would be that when mentioned privilege that you are taking into consideration that privilege is not exclusively relegated to just white folks or men. There are in fact people who are more privileged than others within the black community. Politicians, celebrities, professional athletes, better educated people, wealthy people, etc., all have more privileges than others. Some earned those privileges, many did not.

I am a retired 42 year law enforcement officer who had the privilege of being "race normed" on a promotional exam in the City of Chicago in addition to many others. I also observed very many good black police officers who never were promoted while others with the privilege of knowing the right political/internal PD contacts did. IMO it goes both ways in our society and will never be completely eradicated,

I, like you, am also greatly concerned with the out of control violent crime in many communities not only in Chicago but all the major cities and also any type of police brutality, misconduct or disrespect of people regardless of their ethnicity. I also know that police officers do not always make good decisions regarding the use of deadly force. That said, I also have never known a police officer who went to work thinking I am going to physically assault or kill someone today. Almost all the police shooting incidents in the media lately could have been completely avoided if those civilians had complied with the police officers instructions and/or not physically resisted arrest.

I am more than dumbfounded that the people in charge at the highest levels of our federal, state and local governments have not used the power of their office to instruct all of their constituents not obstruct or resist a police officer in the performance of the duties. If an officer has over stepped his authority (does happen) we have courts of law which can and will penalize that officer and/or his department.

Very thoughtful, well stated and appreciated. Thank you for the 42 years. I have a very close friend who just retired after 26 years at Las Vegas Metro, the last 7 years as a Detective in sex crimes. the amount of depravity he saw on a daily basis left me gob smacked, yet every day he went to work as cheerful as could be. The amount of patience and restraint shown is mind boggling. You are much better men then me.
 
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She should be extremely embarrassed to lose to a guy with no experience and a propensity to stick his foot in his mouth at every conceivable opportunity. She was a highly flawed candidate.

Let's see how PT governs. I got a kick out of the look on his face when he met with Obama yesterday. Looked like he had that oh-sh*t-what-have-I-gotten-myself-into look. I'm not sure even ol PT thought he was going to win the election. Let's hope he surrounds himself with qualified people, because we know he's stuck on stupid. He'll need excellent advisors.
I didn't see that at all. I saw a guy who detests Obama. I saw a guy who can't wait to undo what Obama has done. You need not worry, he will surround himself with qualified people unlike the current occupant. Again, if he is so stupid why did Hillary lose? And the fact is, he's much smarter than you or I.
 

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I agree with 99 % of what you have posted. Very well thought out! IMO you are right on as far as the privilege/sexism is concerned but the privileges are embedded in our entire society. My hope would be that when mentioned privilege that you are taking into consideration that privilege is not exclusively relegated to just white folks or men. There are in fact people who are more privileged than others within the black community. Politicians, celebrities, professional athletes, better educated people, wealthy people, etc., all have more privileges than others. Some earned those privileges, many did not.

I am a retired 42 year law enforcement officer who had the privilege of being "race normed" on a promotional exam in the City of Chicago in addition to many others. I also observed very many good black police officers who never were promoted while others with the privilege of knowing the right political/internal PD contacts did. IMO it goes both ways in our society and will never be completely eradicated,

I, like you, am also greatly concerned with the out of control violent crime in many communities not only in Chicago but all the major cities and also any type of police brutality, misconduct or disrespect of people regardless of their ethnicity. I also know that police officers do not always make good decisions regarding the use of deadly force. That said, I also have never known a police officer who went to work thinking I am going to physically assault or kill someone today. Almost all the police shooting incidents in the media lately could have been completely avoided if those civilians had complied with the police officers instructions and/or not physically resisted arrest.

I am more than dumbfounded that the people in charge at the highest levels of our federal, state and local governments have not used the power of their office to instruct all of their constituents not obstruct or resist a police officer in the performance of the duties. If an officer has over stepped his authority (does happen) we have courts of law which can and will penalize that officer and/or his department.
 

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Man, I thought I had written that message.....after 42 years (retired now), and race-normed out of a promotion....I had thought I was the only one.....maybe not, though.....
 
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I agree with 99 % of what you have posted. Very well thought out! IMO you are right on as far as the privilege/sexism is concerned but the privileges are embedded in our entire society. My hope would be that when mentioned privilege that you are taking into consideration that privilege is not exclusively relegated to just white folks or men. There are in fact people who are more privileged than others within the black community. Politicians, celebrities, professional athletes, better educated people, wealthy people, etc., all have more privileges than others. Some earned those privileges, many did not.

I am a retired 42 year law enforcement officer who had the privilege of being "race normed" on a promotional exam in the City of Chicago in addition to many others. I also observed very many good black police officers who never were promoted while others with the privilege of knowing the right political/internal PD contacts did. IMO it goes both ways in our society and will never be completely eradicated,

I, like you, am also greatly concerned with the out of control violent crime in many communities not only in Chicago but all the major cities and also any type of police brutality, misconduct or disrespect of people regardless of their ethnicity. I also know that police officers do not always make good decisions regarding the use of deadly force. That said, I also have never known a police officer who went to work thinking I am going to physically assault or kill someone today. Almost all the police shooting incidents in the media lately could have been completely avoided if those civilians had complied with the police officers instructions and/or not physically resisted arrest.

I am more than dumbfounded that the people in charge at the highest levels of our federal, state and local governments have not used the power of their office to instruct all of their constituents not obstruct or resist a police officer in the performance of the duties. If an officer has over stepped his authority (does happen) we have courts of law which can and will penalize that officer and/or his department.

I appreciate 100% of what you are saying! An indirect point that I was trying to make is that the issues we face with regard to violence and police brutality is not an "us" verse "them". It is that all sides need to address the ways they can work to improve within their own side...easier said than done. I know.

At one point while posting I had in there that privilege has many forms, not bound by ethnicity and including education, occupation and so many other things.

Another thing worth pointing out is that people should NOT apologize for being in a position of privilege or power. Whether you are born with (out of your control) or you work for it. I believe that most decent people are more mindful of others when they are aware of the privileges they have.
 
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I appreciate 100% of what you are saying! An indirect point that I was trying to make is that the issues we face with regard to violence and police brutality is not an "us" verse "them". It is that all sides need to address the ways they can work to improve within their own side...easier said than done. I know.

At one point while posting I had in there that privilege has many forms, not bound by ethnicity and including education, occupation and so many other things.

Another thing worth pointing out is that people should apologize for being in a position of privilege or power. Whether you are born with (out of your control) or you work for it. I believe that most decent people are more mindful of others when they are aware of the privileges they have.
Thanks for clarifying your thoughts!! When you talked about privilege it struck a sensitive chord in me regarding the promotion and was one of the main reasons I retired from CPD. I worked in Internal Affairs and was also involved in the arrest of people who should never have worn the badge. The screening process for police recruits in Chicago when I retired left a lot to be desired and unless it has been fixed (doubtful) problem officers will continue to exist.

The police and the citizens they SERVE should never be at odds. Who else is willing to risk their lives daily to protect the most vulnerable in our society. We definitely need to work together to get over the fear of the police and also face up to the lack of respect shown towards the police and vice versa.
 

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Corey, I never looked at you as a nemesis. I just disagreed about Cutler. I can't think of any other things we had disagreements about. By the way, congratulations on the Cubs' WS championship. I am sure as a fan you are very pleased. Thing is, they are going to be a good team for a while and you may be celebrating again real soon.

Thanks Dr
I think your right. This Cubs team was built to last. An awful lot of talent on this team with a deep farm club. I am happy I was able to see them win a WS in my lifetime.
 
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OK let me field some of this. First of all, in my opinion, Van Jones is a racist human being regardless of what you or anyone else says. His White Lash comments were highly offensive, We know what the words mean and we definitely know what he means with the word "lash." We know what Jeremiah Wright has been saying in his church for decades. These guys mince no words. These guys continuously paint white conservatives as being racist. There are dozens of examples of it and Jones did it again on Tuesday night. There are also others like them. Racism is a two way street.

These are the people who say if anyone disagrees with the current President they must be racist. That is one of the first things that comes out of their mouths. Not once in a while, every time. It became a situation where the same people said if you vote against Hillary you don't want a woman in the White House. A guy on this board said those very words.

I have been critical of the current President but his race has absolutely nothing to do with it. I was just as critical of Bill Clinton and he is as white as me. It is all based on ideology. I simply don't agree with either of their views or the direction they wanted to take the country. That's it and that's always been it. I don't have any black friends. But, I do have a lot of friends who happen to be black.

The things that come out of the mouths of Jones, Wright, Sharpton and others are doing nothing to bring anyone together. And I don't believe that is their goal either.

But let me ask you something in earnest. Let's just say that white voters did vote for Trump in their own best interests. I not sure that happened but let's just say it did.

Why is that racist as Jones suggests? Why did Jones even inject race into this? Is it possible they voted for the person they thought was the best candidate?

Why is it OK for blacks to vote in their best interests as blacks? Why is it OK for gays to vote in their best interests? Why is it OK for women to vote in their best interests as women? Why is it OK for other minority groups to vote in their best interests?

Why is it, when all of these people vote in their best interests no one on the left says or thinks anything about it? But the minute whites vote in their best interest it is somehow racist or privileged? Why is that?

Don't we vote in our best interests and what we think are the best interests of the country? Hillary Clinton said during the campaign of 1992 and I quote "when you go into the voting booth to vote, ask yourself, what's in it for me?"

No question the grievance of the black Lives Matter movement is about police brutality against blacks. It's real in some places. But, maybe I missed something out there but I don't think I have ever heard anyone in the Black Lives Matter movement say it is a movement against black-on-black crime. Maybe you can shed some light on that and help me out with some examples. if that is true as well then I am for that. I think where the confusion comes from is in the name. Had they added the word "too" at the end of it, it would be clearer as to what their goal is. To simply say Black Lives Matter sounds to some people as if those are the only lives that matter, hence the All Lives Matter push back.

I am not one who hurries to the top of the mountain to say " I am not racist!!" Personally, I know who I am so it doesn't matter either way what others think. I have always felt suspect of someone who professes his innocence without being accused of anything.

We will have to wait to see what happens with the new President. He is the first one on our side to even try to reach out to the minority groups in a while. He received more votes from the back community than Romney did. Many of the Hispanics in Florida that the media thought were going to vote for Hillary did in fact vote for Trump. By the way I can't stand putting people in groups but feel like I have to in this case.

My hunch is that Trump will reach out to the inner cities in an attempt to help them help themselves and make their lives better. How that will go no one knows. But I am certain of this. If Trump is able to reach out to them and they see progress and improvement in their lives the Democrats will lose that voting block forever.

I apologize for the length of the post but I want to say one more thing. One of my very best friends, who was in my wedding, (and I can produce the picture) happens to be a black man. We have known each other since we were in Little League. I can't count the number of times he has been to my house for dinner and to visit. My kids are adults and they grew up around him. There is nothing I wouldn't do for that man. We have talked about everything over the years. He voted for Obama, I didn't. We respected each other's decision because we both made the decision on our logic. I have taken him into bars where he is the only black man there and he has taken me into bars where I am the only white man.

I have to be honest. I felt like I was treated better than he was. And I can tell you why. Fear and lack of fear. I had no fear going into the bar he took me into. That was based on experience in the neighborhood I grew up in which was predominately black. To me those people were just people. However when he went into the bar I took him in it was different. The people there didn't say a word. It actually got quiet for about 30 seconds. That was a long time. I felt like those people treated him that way out of fear, unfounded as it was. I know what a person who happens to be black goes through that a white person doesn't because I have seen it. Do I understand it completely and feel it. No, I couldn't.

Fear drives anger. But I don't think the people who are showing fear really need to. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised by this President. I have heard a lot that he is a different man behind closed doors than what we saw during the campaign. But time will tell.

A white chicago cop came to the hospital to see me, my wife and our newborn son the day he was born. He is a teammate, coaching colleague and good friend. I'm forever grateful that doing that meant so much to him.

Like you, I don't cling to differences in race. I am not a fan of Al Sharpton. Van Jone's "white lash" words were strong but a very real sentiment that I didn't view as racist. I also didn't cling to those words though. It was the overall sentiment that I related to. I felt that my vote was not something that Trump was appealing to. That he went out of his way to appeal to people that might just despise me because of the color of my skin, knowing that he could win despite the disregard for my vote. To go a step further, I didn't even know who Jones was before I saw that video. I couldn't tell you anything else he ever said. I hope you can find humor in that because it's true.

Personally, I remember watching the news and seeing nooses hanging in trees and Obama monkey dolls when he won in '08. I can't explain the emotion those images stir up in contrast to the pride felt in a country that has come such a long way in race relations as a whole. I saw a very resentful population of people. People that were saying "he is not my president". There is still a hangover from that. This is America and it will always strike a nerve when the ugly side of humanity comes out. People can say get over...not gonna happen. But it doesn't change the way I treat people in everyday interaction. I don't assume all people are racist. I did interpret Van Jone's remarks as saying those people won and if you think of it that way, it's a tough pill to swallow. I know not to lump everyone in that category.

There are policies that I hope Trump is successful in pushing through. I hope he's going to be a President that will represent at least some of my interest. I have to have faith that he will. On paper, he does. We will see. I didn't feel like he cared much to campaign on those interests.

I went to Loyola. I have two great parents. I have been privileged. I grew up in a very traditional black family, Baptist church and all. Going to school as a minority everyday was like stepping out of one world and into another in some ways. Living within the contrast of very different lifestyles means that I have felt the other end of privilege too. I love every bit of how these experiences have shaped me as an adult. Privilege and racism are very different things that are often confused with one another. I do my best to not mix the two as it is very unfair to accuse someone of being racist who isn't. I also know that there is no reason for a person born with privilege to apologize for who they are or what they've accomplished.

To answer your question, it's not fair to call the white guy that votes in his own interest racist. Not condoning that. We all are voting for what we believe to be in our own best interest. Majority rules. This election had a very deep tone that their was a line between majority and minority based on issues involving race. I can't attach my feelings about that to you personally though.

I don't have time to find stats or articles about the BLM movement also referring to B on B crime. You probably could if you looked. In my house and at my church and amongst my friends, it's talked about. Has been for years. Ever heard of CeasFire? There has always been a need to look within as well as towards law enforcement and the justice system. I understand what you are saying, just to say BLM seems like an attack on others. Most blacks know that this is directed to our own youth and how they deal with each other too. My sentiment to ALM matter is kind of like this...yeah, we know. But I'm not talking about that right now so don't disregard my most immediate concerns.

Hope that makes sense.

Too much time on here today. Edgy, hope someday you can get paid by the minutes logged on.

Good day!
 

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Thanks for clarifying your thoughts!! When you talked about privilege it struck a sensitive chord in me regarding the promotion and was one of the main reasons I retired from CPD. I worked in Internal Affairs and was also involved in the arrest of people who should never have worn the badge. The screening process for police recruits in Chicago when I retired left a lot to be desired and unless it has been fixed (doubtful) problem officers will continue to exist.

The police and the citizens they SERVE should never be at odds. Who else is willing to risk their lives daily to protect the most vulnerable in our society. We definitely need to work together to get over the fear of the police and also face up to the lack of respect shown towards the police and vice versa.
Meant to say people should NOT apologize for being in a position of privilege. That read very wrong as i looked back at it