MCHS CCL 2017?

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

I agree with you that perhaps 51-75 are of the same caliber but i think you are missing a more subtle point.

If you have 75 kids on your team, it likely means that you are drawing from a larger pool of students. simple statistics say that, if each player were assigned a grade, the school that produces 75 players will have more A and more B players on your team than the school with just 51 players....and that matters

Again, who you crappin'? You know very well that your "subtle point" argument does not apply equally across the board and that Montini is a huge exception. How many A and B players does Montini have on its roster relative to the A and B players at an average high school that generates a roster of a similar size? And, as it pertains to the discussion of Montini in the Blue, do you really think that Montini's roster is substantially different from PC's roster with respect to A and B players?

 

[mc140]

I've seen a tangible difference. that's an easy point to assert when you've got 75 people on your roster. Years ago, I would have agreed with you 100 percent. I agree with you that perhaps 51-75 are of the same caliber but i think you are missing a more subtle point.

If you have 75 kids on your team, it likely means that you are drawing from a larger pool of students. simple statistics say that, if each player were assigned a grade, the school that produces 75 players will have more A and more B players on your team than the school with just 51 players....and that matters.


to your other point though, why would anyone join the blue? It's fine the way it is sans the bad cross-overs.

But it is not simple statistics. It is about impact players. Once you get over 50 it is just filler for practice reps. The 300 boys at Montini will never lose to the 3000 boys at Morton in football. Any kid who can get in a stance properly that lives by Morton finds their way to a Catholic school or another public school. Same with Joliet Central/ West compared to JCA.

 

[JCHILLTOPPERS]

[QUOTE="JCHILLTOPPERS] I agree with you that perhaps 51-75 are of the same caliber but i think you are missing a more subtle point.

If you have 75 kids on your team, it likely means that you are drawing from a larger pool of students. simple statistics say that, if each player were assigned a grade, the school that produces 75 players will have more A and more B players on your team than the school with just 51 players....and that matters

Again, who you crappin'? You know very well that your "subtle point" argument does not apply equally across the board and that Montini is a huge exception. How many A and B players does Montini have on its roster relative to the A and B players at an average high school that generates a roster of a similar size? And, as it pertains to the discussion of Montini in the Blue, do you really think that Montini's roster is substantially different from PC's roster with respect to A and B players?[/QUOTE]


Comeon rambl, this is twice. I was responding to 140, and the specific point he made.

You are correct, bronco's roster looks like pc's and has for s few years.

That is also why I did not use bronco in either of my examples.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

Comeon rambl, this is twice.

Third time's a charm, right?

You are correct, bronco's roster looks like pc's and has for s few years.

That is also why I did not use bronco in either of my examples.

Sorry, JCHILL, but I need to keep reminding myself that you are not the typical message board poster with whom I joust. You are subtler than most. You choose your words and form your arguments carefully. You have a penchant for dialectics whereas most posters just want to choose a side, take the gloves off, and start swinging.

I don't refute your non-bronco, generic examples. But you are using those generic examples in a discussion about a true outlier not wanting to join a division of other outliers because it thinks it can't compete. You yourself said that Montini would likely go 4-1 against Blue opponents this year, yet your examples, albeit perhaps not intentionally, support the Montini apologists who claim that they do not have the roster depth to compete in the Blue.

 

[ramblinman_rivals165935]

As for roster size, that means nothing. There are a fair number of players that, while having the heart, do not have the talent/size to compete against The Blue.

2014 Montini size stats:
Offense Averages
Backs: 6-0, 195
Line: 6-2, 261
Receivers: 6-1, 189
Defense Averages
Defensive Backs: 6-0, 175
Line: 6-2, 230
Linebackers: 5-11, 203

2014 Providence size stats:
Offense Averages
Backs: 5-11, 190
Line: 6-3, 266
Receivers: 6-3, 208
Defense Averages
Defensive Backs: 6-0, 172
Line: 6-2, 212
Linebackers: 6-0, 204

2013 Mt Carmel size stats:
Offense Averages
Backs: 6-0, 202
Line: 6-2, 271
Receivers: 5-11, 185
Defense Averages
Defensive Backs: 5-11, 178
Line: 6-1, 282
Linebackers: 6-1, 208

2013 Loyola size stats:
Offense Averages
Backs: 6-0, 192
Line: 6-1, 246
Receivers: 6-1, 190
Defense Averages
Defensive Backs: 6-1, 191
Line: 6-2, 228
Linebackers: 6-2, 214

You were saying?

 

[jwarigaku]

MC140

I am about as far from a Montini apologist as you can get. The difference in having more depth on the roster is not necessarily about game issues but rather about practice, preparation, injury, and substitution. Those players could also be young guys that you bring up to prep for the coming two or three years to have a consistent program that performs. Montini has done very well over the past 10 years no argument, and the are an outlier as Ramblin' points out, but so are all the other teams in the Blue. With the exception to PC the others all have much larger rosters and student populations to pull players from.

I don't give a **** what they do with Montini. I have stated multiple times either leave it the same or split up by geography. No one will join the blue.

There is no tangible difference in high school football between the 51st person on a roster and the 75th person.

 

[ch02st]

My thought is while enrollment is a factor, more kids more chances for better players, consistent quality coaching plays a much larger role. Look at the schools that are constantly at the top and you generally find long time coaches. MCHS, Loyola, JCA...if enrollment was primary Morton would be awesome. Good coaches make the average player better, the good great, and the awesome D1 prospects.

 

[SweetWalter34]

My thought is while enrollment is a factor, more kids more chances for better players, consistent quality coaching plays a much larger role. Look at the schools that are constantly at the top and you generally find long time coaches. MCHS, Loyola, JCA...if enrollment was primary Morton would be awesome. Good coaches make the average player better, the good great, and the awesome D1 prospects.

You are spot-on correct.
Especially if you are defining "coaching" to also include program development.
One not-so-obvious characteristic of consisently successful programs, generally, is their preference for giving seniors the benefit of the doubt when it comes to varsity playing time. Preference for seniors gives both the under-developed and the well-developed underclassmen hope for senior playing time -- so they don't quit before they fully develop. Lots of those kids who are under-developed as freshman grow into key contributors to conference and state championships 4 years later.

 

[Wassup13_rivals219252]

Jordan Westerkamp talks about.....

-coming back home this weekend
-his stache
- his Nebraska teammates
-Glen Ellyn vs Lombard?
-JCA/Montini
-about his first trip back to Champaign, IL after winning 3 state championships on that field and scoring 5 touchdowns in one state championship game,
-his friends playing on the Illini,
-Josh Ferguson
-Nebraska's upcoming game against Illinois on Saturday.

 

[GEPreps]

Jordan Westerkamp talks about.....
-Glen Ellyn vs Lombard?
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The BTN studio anchor interviewing Jordan, Mike Hall, is a GW grad from Glen Ellyn. I have heard that the Nebraska football program lists Westkerkamp's hometown as Lombard. Westerkamp's family is from Glen Ellyn, but obviously it's only his high school that's in Lombard.

 

[SiuCubFan8]

Jordan Westerkamp talks about.....

-coming back home this weekend
-his stache
- his Nebraska teammates
-Glen Ellyn vs Lombard?
-JCA/Montini
-about his first trip back to Champaign, IL after winning 3 state championships on that field and scoring 5 touchdowns in one state championship game,
-his friends playing on the Illini,
-Josh Ferguson
-Nebraska's upcoming game against Illinois on Saturday.

Does he talk about his thoughts on Bronco in the CCL Blue? Because if not. I'm not sure what this has to do with anything in this thread.