I'm sure Winthorpe went to an academy.Porkchop said:Is Academy trash better than government school trash? What if the academy is Canton Academy, and the Government School is Madison Central? What if the Academy is Jackson Academy and the government school is Rosedale?
msudeltadawg1971 said:gov't trash is better than academy trash. in the 80's there wasn't an academy that could compete weekly with rosedale, leland, etc. One of the greatest linebackers out of msu told me, academy boys cant compete with public school kids, they dont have the speed as a whole. Look at the top sec teams, how many of the elite that play for them came from academies.
But were is Patridge, Shivers, Nichols? My point is, public school ball is a lot faster pace, I played it, and have been watching my kids in private school ball and think theteam they play forwould never have a chance on the field against the school I went to. To win in the SEC you have to have great players, not good. Hell Todd Sandroni went to IA, Gary Abide ST. Joe, Marvin Courtney-St. Joe, where are they now. It took Todd 3 years to adjust to the speed of the SEC, Abide was ok, not great, Courtney who was supposed to be the greatest back out of ST Joe ever, signed with some school and you never heard from him again, even our own Perkins who went to St Joe was supposed to be great, when put up with SEC players hehas looked average. He may very well be the next great thing, I hope so, but the speed in academy ball vs public is very different, and on a weekly basis they cannot compete.Elite players? Well, Todd Wade played at Prep and was a first round pick. Will Overstreet was Dandy Dozen, and played in the NFL for a few years. Will Arnold from Centreville started at LSU, and their RB Stevan Ridley played at a MAIS school and he starts. Wes Shivers played a season for Benton Academy. Stewart Patridge came from Pillow, and Jonathan Nichols, who won the Lou Groza played at Pillow as well. Paul LaCoste came from Prep and almost made the NFL roster until he broke his leg. Reid Neely from JA started the past couple of years at Ole Miss.
Anyone that is objective can see that the academies can compete and put out good players.
msudeltadawg1971 said:but the speed in academy ball vs public is very different, and on a weekly basis they cannot compete.
It truly amazes me that these private schools keep beating public schools and people still think this.
And what of St. Stanislaus? If they played in the MAIS, I'm sure you would think that they couldn't compete, but yet, they went 14-1 last year (only loss to Jackson Prep by the way) and won 4A. St. Stanislaus was also mostly (if not all) white.
And Wes Shivers played in the NFL for the Titans, by the way, so yes, I would say that he was an elite player.
What most people don't get for whatever reason- and I have to believe at this point it's because people simply refuse to believe it because they don't WANT to believe it- is that MHSAA and MAIS schools are BOTH good but they play DIFFERENT styles. Prep and JA and the other private schools are going to be more fundamentally sound. That's how they beat a LOT of "more talented" public school teams. They have players that can handle more complex offenses and defensive schemes because there are no Jerrell Powe's in the MAIS. They are going to have parents that are going to be able to afford to send their kids to camps, and if their son is a QB, places like the Manning Passing Academy. They can afford to have people like Paul LaCoste working with them to increase their strength and speed. Pubilc schools are going to have better raw athletes. That's how the coaches in the MHSAA scheme their offenses and defenses. They also have to keep it simple enough so that the kids that maybe can't read or are a little slow can run it without having the whole team self-destruct a la Croom. That's why people like Madison Central under Coach Justice would line up in the I and try to plow over people- even though they had a WR that was Dandy Dozen in Mike Espy and another that would play at JSU in Larry Hollins on the same team. There is nothing wrong with either style- they both fit and they are both good. And the funny thing is, I bet you could get some players from Prep and JA to watch a South Panola game and they would say- "Those guys are so stupid, they can only run five plays".
Also, based on your username (1971) you played in the 80's. A LOT has changed since you played.
Also, based on your username (1971) you played in the 80's. A LOT has changed since you played