McKenzie quits football team...

dawgtalk03

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The guy was a 4.0 student in high school if I'm not mistaken. School is not an issue with him he is a smart guy. Something must have gone down...
 

57stratdawg

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at least thats what I'm reading. I think he'd rather just be a normal student than put the 100 hours a week it takes to be a D1 football player.
 

PBRME

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That hit is the first thing I thought of. Man it was brutal.
 
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is starting to remember where it came from.

That **** had no business in Oxford.
 

bonedaddy401

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Idismissedthis pansy *** from day 1. Everybody here chastised me for saying that he would never contribute and he was academy trash. Well looks like he was. I knew he would never be worth a **** when that linemen from Auburn ate his soul on the 50 when they threw that throw back pass to Newton. Total waste ofscholarshipfrom the get go.
 

thunderclap

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but, you know what, if he can't nut up and get excited about two more months of games, yes, games which is the best part, then quit and go home and don't let the door smack your ***. Quitting after three games, when you have an active role, when you are playing for the only SEC school who would give you a scholly, is ********.
 

38843dawg

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I don't care because he was never impressive to me and I couldn't understand peoples fascination over him. If he wants to quit 3 games into the season so be it, it'll just open up a spot for someone that does want to be out there.
 

Porkchop.sixpack

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Is Academy trash better than government school trash? What if the academy is Canton Academy, and the Government School is Madison Central? What if the Academy is Jackson Academy and the government school is Rosedale?
 

AlCoDog

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look, I think it is really ****** to quit at this point in the season, and unless he was struggling to make his grades, which we know is not the case, 17 him. But what does "academy trash" have to do with anything? Did some academy kid whip your *** one time or something? You seem to have a real hard on for academies.<div>
</div><div>And don't hurt your shoulder patting yourself on the back.</div>
 

MonkeyCheese

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Porkchop said:
Is Academy trash better than government school trash? What if the academy is Canton Academy, and the Government School is Madison Central? What if the Academy is Jackson Academy and the government school is Rosedale?
I'm sure Winthorpe went to an academy.
 

msudeltadawg1971

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gov't trash is better than academy trash. in the 80's there wasn't an academy that could compete weekly with rosedale, leland, etc. One of the greatest linebackers out of msu told me, academy boys cant compete with public school kids, they dont have the speed as a whole. Look at the top sec teams, how many of the elite that play for them came from academies.
 

Todd4State

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msudeltadawg1971 said:
gov't trash is better than academy trash. in the 80's there wasn't an academy that could compete weekly with rosedale, leland, etc. One of the greatest linebackers out of msu told me, academy boys cant compete with public school kids, they dont have the speed as a whole. Look at the top sec teams, how many of the elite that play for them came from academies.



As does Yazoo County with Kaleb Euells.

I don't know what the record is public vs private since they started, but I would bet it's at least around .500- which is a lot better than people expected.

Elite players? Well, Todd Wade played at Prep and was a first round pick. Will Overstreet was Dandy Dozen, and played in the NFL for a few years. Will Arnold from Centreville started at LSU, and their RB Stevan Ridley played at a MAIS school and he starts. Wes Shivers played a season for Benton Academy. Stewart Patridge came from Pillow, and Jonathan Nichols, who won the Lou Groza played at Pillow as well. Paul LaCoste came from Prep and almost made the NFL roster until he broke his leg. Reid Neely from JA started the past couple of years at Ole Miss.

Anyone that is objective can see that the academies can compete and put out good players.
 

msudeltadawg1971

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Elite players? Well, Todd Wade played at Prep and was a first round pick. Will Overstreet was Dandy Dozen, and played in the NFL for a few years. Will Arnold from Centreville started at LSU, and their RB Stevan Ridley played at a MAIS school and he starts. Wes Shivers played a season for Benton Academy. Stewart Patridge came from Pillow, and Jonathan Nichols, who won the Lou Groza played at Pillow as well. Paul LaCoste came from Prep and almost made the NFL roster until he broke his leg. Reid Neely from JA started the past couple of years at Ole Miss.

Anyone that is objective can see that the academies can compete and put out good players.
But were is Patridge, Shivers, Nichols? My point is, public school ball is a lot faster pace, I played it, and have been watching my kids in private school ball and think theteam they play forwould never have a chance on the field against the school I went to. To win in the SEC you have to have great players, not good. Hell Todd Sandroni went to IA, Gary Abide ST. Joe, Marvin Courtney-St. Joe, where are they now. It took Todd 3 years to adjust to the speed of the SEC, Abide was ok, not great, Courtney who was supposed to be the greatest back out of ST Joe ever, signed with some school and you never heard from him again, even our own Perkins who went to St Joe was supposed to be great, when put up with SEC players hehas looked average. He may very well be the next great thing, I hope so, but the speed in academy ball vs public is very different, and on a weekly basis they cannot compete.
 

inforeb

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...schools, right?The MHSAA produces about 9 times the athletes that the MAIS does. They should. If they didn't, something would be wrong. I would imagine that MAIS collegiate student-athletes would be about 10% of the number from MHSAA schools. When the MAIS talent pool is 10% of the MHSAA, it stands to reason. Thepoint is: MHSAA large schools, MHSAA small schools, MAIS schools - collectively, they generally produce college athletes in relation to their relative numbers.

Now, town-to-town and school-to-school, there are variables that skew the numbers - like coaching, resources, tradition, etc. But, collectively, it all washes out about the way it should.
 

Todd4State

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msudeltadawg1971 said:
but the speed in academy ball vs public is very different, and on a weekly basis they cannot compete.


It truly amazes me that these private schools keep beating public schools and people still think this.

And what of St. Stanislaus? If they played in the MAIS, I'm sure you would think that they couldn't compete, but yet, they went 14-1 last year (only loss to Jackson Prep by the way) and won 4A. St. Stanislaus was also mostly (if not all) white.

And Wes Shivers played in the NFL for the Titans, by the way, so yes, I would say that he was an elite player.

What most people don't get for whatever reason- and I have to believe at this point it's because people simply refuse to believe it because they don't WANT to believe it- is that MHSAA and MAIS schools are BOTH good but they play DIFFERENT styles. Prep and JA and the other private schools are going to be more fundamentally sound. That's how they beat a LOT of "more talented" public school teams. They have players that can handle more complex offenses and defensive schemes because there are no Jerrell Powe's in the MAIS. They are going to have parents that are going to be able to afford to send their kids to camps, and if their son is a QB, places like the Manning Passing Academy. They can afford to have people like Paul LaCoste working with them to increase their strength and speed. Pubilc schools are going to have better raw athletes. That's how the coaches in the MHSAA scheme their offenses and defenses. They also have to keep it simple enough so that the kids that maybe can't read or are a little slow can run it without having the whole team self-destruct a la Croom. That's why people like Madison Central under Coach Justice would line up in the I and try to plow over people- even though they had a WR that was Dandy Dozen in Mike Espy and another that would play at JSU in Larry Hollins on the same team. There is nothing wrong with either style- they both fit and they are both good. And the funny thing is, I bet you could get some players from Prep and JA to watch a South Panola game and they would say- "Those guys are so stupid, they can only run five plays".

Also, based on your username (1971) you played in the 80's. A LOT has changed since you played.
 

davatron

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I don't watch any high school football, so of course my opinion is meaningless (who am I kidding? it's meaningless regardless). But I agree that the Academies can produce individual players. I just feel like on a whole they are not as athletic as the public schools. I watched the first quarter of JA v JP last night and I saw a bunch of slow, nonathletic guys. I don't see anyway they could compete with week in and week out with the public schools.

Bo Bounds said last week that these two schools (JA, JP) could compete with the "elite schools in MS." ********. USP, Meridian, West Point-- all would beat JA or JP with ease.
 

msudeltadawg1971

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Also, based on your username (1971) you played in the 80's. A LOT has changed since you played

I did play in the 80's, and I agree that a lot has changed, that's why my kids are in private school. When I played, a lot of white kids still went to public school and we ran a lot more than 5 plays, but, I had a lot of friends that went to school with me until 8th grade and when they sat the bench their parents moved them to schools like St. Joe, Washington, IA, etc. They started at those schools and were the best they had, but they never would have started at Leland. I guess that's what I'm basing my argument on, and watching my nephews play at IA and Washington. </p>

Oh, and you said yourself, Wes only played one year of academy ball, so I don't think that counts.</p>
 

o_setterman

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wonder what percentage of kids who attend MAIS, can qualify to play college level ball, compared to public school.

prolly depends where the school is located. think there is a difference between Greenwood High and Tupelo?
 
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all star game and talked to him some there. He told my brother back then that he did not want to play. He is extremely smart I think he made a 30 something on his A.C.T. So I think he sees his future is and sees where the money is... With that being said he should have never played if he didn't want to, to begin with. His dad wanted it more than he did.