Mediocre MC vs best GW team ever
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Beautiful night in Chicago! Fathers Club dinner went well, two starters back on defense this week and the scouting report suggests GW will run the ball 75% of their possessions. I'm feeling great! staying up past my usual bedtime listening to Pearl Jam and the Isley's on shuffle smoking a cigar by my fire pit.
Sadly, Is it just me pondering why these guys feel confident as hell after running through the silver.
Sadly, Is it just me pondering why these guys feel confident as hell after running through the silver.
Oh our dear Sivada, you so don't understand jest. It is not that we feel confident as hell, which suggests ignorance. We are not GD93 and will not be lured into over confidence. We enjoy our season and welcome all. We are excited to play MC with such a great heritage. I think most GW if not all fans on this site will say they have great respect for the mighty MC. They have a great program we hope we will match someday. For now GW will take the field with Undefeated blearing, and hope to leave the same way. Hope you can bless Duchon with your presence, and as the thread started, to the victors be the spoils.
@sivada2001 Do you know who has been assigned to video record the GW practices this week? Good sight lines from the south side of the UP tracks or up on the hill.
I see on twitter that @DeanOfSelection is planning a marine reconnaissance mission.
I see on twitter that @DeanOfSelection is planning a marine reconnaissance mission.
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Confident that we have a high quality ball club? Yes.
Confident that we can beat the best playoff coach in IL history? Not sure you have seen much of that.
Best of luck to your boys. Let's hope the game is decided by the boys. If so, It should be a classic.
I'm sitting over here munching on popcorn and enjoying one of the best edgy threads that I have read in a long time. Seriously, this thread could only be better if MWitt were posting in it. He always has a great handle on the CCL Blue and west suburban teams.
Among some of the more memorable gems in this thread:
capnbillhitters: Where is ramblin when I need him.
MTC Diaspora: Lenti's interest in going 9-0 is only one tiny notch above "don't give a crap."
DOS: MC is playing with house money on Sat.
capnbillhitters: Is there a font for Flustered?
pjjp: those DSR voters are a fickle bunch. Didn't ramblin' compare them to a bunch of pre-teen girls following the trendiest boy band?
Cap, to your point about the DSR being hypocritical and changing its mind from week 8 to week 9, I suggest you go back and look at the spreadsheet and how it changed from week to week. After week six, the DSR had GW and LA tied for the #1 spot...despite the fact that gooms ranked LA at #6 that week which impacted the average. The following weeks, and all the way to the end, there was no more than roughly six-tenths of a point separating LA and GW. As for LA moving into the #1 slot, I think the voters were waiting for that week 9 LA vs MC game for a long time. If LA had lost, or if LA had come out the victor in a close game, I think GW would have maintained the #1 spot. LA's win over MC was a decisive quality win. Unlike GW, LA was never truly tested this year (a fact that worries me). When you look at the overall body of work, I think Loyola was the more dominant team and deserves the #1 spot they have in the DSR (and in most other rankings).
That said, I bought 20 shares of GW and plan to hold those shares all the way.
To be honest, I agreed with LA as the choice after week 9 and said so.
What I didn't like was all the "MC is 3rd best CcL Blue team and low grade dog food" chatter. As if GW should win this game by 4 TDs and anything less was proof GW wasn't that good. MC in playoffs is a different creature.
And LA's victory over them in a dominant fashion was very impressive.
It certainly was impressive. But, for my money, the Ramblers' 49-8 win over MS, was slightly more impressive for the following reasons:
- LA destroyed MS at MS. The win over BR was at LA where, according to gooms, LA beats everyone.
- LA beat MS by 41 pts. South's only other loss this season came at the hands of highly ranked Montini by just three pts.
- LA scored more points by far against MS than any other team this year.
- LA held MS to its lowest point total of the year.
Confidence bordering on arrogance, its a Glen Ellyn/GW thing. I completely respect and appreciate GW's coaching and their program but I'm also a GBN/DVC guy so it's going to be very interesting to see how closely contested this game will be. No way I'm actually rooting for MC in this game but my dream ending is 29-28 GW, they win on a Hail Mary and go for 2 for the win. This epic ending will make the Hitter faithful sweat it out to the last possible second before moving on to their next victim!
Shutting out rice is more impressive. Not the result itself. Plenty of teams have scored on ms in recent years. ..but how many have shut out or come close to shutting out rice?
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Rice scored just one point against Legal Prep Charter in their forfeit win. Can't get much closer than that.
I fully realize that we are splitting hairs here, but we are talking about a 28 point shut out of Rice at LA vs. a 41 point maine southing of Maine South at Maine South. How many teams in recent years have maine south'd Maine South? Other than Loyola this year and in the 2013 playoffs, you have to go back to 2010 when WWS blew out MS in week 2. You'll recall 2010 being the year that MS started out 0-2 and then ran the table all the way to Champaign where they beat MC. It was also a year in which WWS ran the table from start to finish in 7A.
My sons have played (middle son was a senior this year) in the West Suburban silver and I've bee watching GW for years. This year I attended 4 GW games. Also, I was on the sidelines at the MC/Rice game at Johnston Field this year. I would not agree that this GW team is on an "up year". They aren't significantly weaker than past years however. I would say that Brodner is the difference maker this year.......whereas years past they were more balanced.........he can hurt you in many ways and they use him to the fullest. (against us, he made a circus, one-handed left hand catch near the goal line- when we had them 3rd and long. In a different 3rd down scenario, they gave it to him on a statue-of-liberty play- they cleared out the left side of the field, and he ran it for 60 yards, eventually scoring. Bottom line- Brodner single-handedly beat us this year. I don't think he can pull that off against MC's defense---MC's defense is fast and very athletic.....and their defensive coaching staff is too good. I'm not going to attempt to pick a winner- only to say that I know this game will live up to the hype!
That reminds me of when I nominated Legal Prep Charter for DS ranking consideration. If I recall correctly, Rice had zero offensive yards the week that game was on the schedule.Rice scored just one point against Legal Prep Charter in their forfeit win. Can't get much closer than that.
Sadly, none of you listened to me.
(In my best Columbo voice) There's just one more question....
I just went back and glanced at the final DSR.
Question: If you think OPRF is the 3rd best team, then why is GWs four TD victory less impressive than LA's four TD victory over BR if BR is ranked 8th for you?
Does it really matter!? Take care of business in the playoffs and be rewarded in Dekalb
Or, perhaps the concept was so advanced that it left you unable to grasp the full subtle brilliance.
Logic always matters.
Playing around with these knuckleheads is actually a fun way to pass the time between the action. And since I can't actually play due to eligibility expiration, this is the best I got.
Cheers
columbo is a great show. one of my favorites of all-time. Now, as I light my cigar and lean left against the column, I offer you these three reasons.
1. Yes, by the end of the season I ranked OPRF 3rd. However, when they played GW, i did not have them ranked - following a bad win vs York wherein they lost some starters - including Jeremy Hunt. More on this below. By season's end, Hunt's replacement looked like he could execute the offense well enough - and in fact, he is quite talented...
2. Hunt was out that game, and he's a game breaker (a term not used much anymore for some reason). I don't think the result is any different if he plays, but I do think the score is MUCH closer. OPRF also lost a starter on the offensive line against york.
Hunt's replacement made his first start of the year that game. Making your first start in week 7 is a pretty tough deal. Having to make that start against what is very likely one of the state's top five defense with a few days to prepare...no one is going to perform at their best in that situation.
3. LA just completely and utterly dominated Rice. If you watched the game, LA clearly took its foot off the gas in the second half. The score was 28-0 at half. Meanwhile, GW was up only 14-7 at half against OPRF (correct me if wrong please). GW did miss a fg and was stopped twice on 4th down, am aware of that, but they were stops and misses. This #3 point does not matter much to me, but im laying it all out there.
A 4 td win is a 4 td win, except when you have to split hairs to determine a 1 vs 2 rank. I cannot ignore the three points above. In the end:
A: i found LA's win against Rice better than GW's against OPRF;
B: i found LA's win MS better or equal to GW's win against HC;
C: i found LA's win vs MC better or equal to GW's win against HS;
You might disagree, but you have my answer. The leap for LA was not arbitrary. I am very interested to see how GW/MC looks compared to LA/MC.
note: I voted GW 1 for four of the 7 votes last season. I'm no hater. I love GW's scheduling. Check the 2014 tab - i was voter 3.
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Check mate. Your explanation is both thorough and thoroughly logical.
Last rhetorical question is where do you get the time?
it used to take a lot of time. when you do this as long as i have now, it comes easier and i have all the good links saved.
I wouldn't call it checkmate either. just my viewpoint. you all have a very solid and talented team. despite my pot stirring this week, i really see you guys as 13 point favorites.
ramblinman:
I'm flattered, but like you, I would prefer to remain an observer rather than a participant in this one.
Watching this thread unfold evokes a memory from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975).
Early on in the film, as R.P. McMurphy is shipped off to the mental institution for observation to determine alleged mental illness, McMurphy, portrayed brilliantly by Jack Nicholson, sits in on his first group therapy session.
As McMurphy's panorama is expanded, with great amusement and enjoyment, he attentively observes the group implode and notes how Nurse Mildred Ratched carefully oversees, control rather, the group's discussion.
I am not a man of influence in this thread; however, it is providing some memorable reading.
I think Chief would have made an outstanding D Tackle.
Probably with Montini.
Probably with Montini.