After the Lloyd Tubman incident thought some of you might find this interesting...on Megan's show last night she had a young man who played football at Colorado State and he was kicked out of school for allegedly raping a young woman on campus. The only problem is the young is the young lady said she wasn't raped and she and the young man had consensual sex twice, but one of the girls friends saw a "hickey " on her neck and turned him in for raping her ...with NO due process this young man who was by all accounts a model student (3.7 gpa) and despite the girl saying he wasn't raped was still kicked out of school and get get admitted anywhere else...the reason his attorney says he was kicked out is the the Obama admin is putting pressure on all universities to"automatically" apply guilt to the young men being accused of these despite the evidence...the young man is suing the university for violation of title IX...very interesting and worth watching as this relates to Lloyds situation..
Megan Kelly...College Rape And Title IX..
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How many rapes have to be alleged at places like FSU and Tenn with kids who never leave school before you realize that no one is forcing schools to do anything with regards to these cases?
Lol at the federal government forcing schools to consider people guilty. They are so anti-men! Sound the paranoia alarm.
Lol at the federal government forcing schools to consider people guilty. They are so anti-men! Sound the paranoia alarm.
Any acts that constitute felonies under other existing statutes simply must be removed from Title IX provisions to keep universities from running their own self serving kangaroo courts on such matters.
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Do some reading ARC Dog before you form an opinion. There are multiple cases of this situation pending all over the country. The Obama administration as part of their response to the claimed war against women did indeed threaten any university which receives any federal funding that they could lose funding unless they processed rape accusations aggressively internally. This response was due to a ridiculous study that used flawed data and then extrapolated the results to estimate a epidemic of campus rape. What they actually did was set up a parallel justice system with no protection for the accused, no right to cross examine, no right to call witnesses. The bar to label a male student a rapist, throw him out and terminate his scholarship is ridiculously low. The captain of the Yale basketball team and a senior was just booted from school 3 months before graduation due to a claim from a non student which was brought up over a year after the alleged event. This will probably ultimately end up before the supreme court.
Wow...why don't you watch the show first or are you afraid of what you mght hear or better still learn
Hope the school loses its *** in this case. I understand that there's a rape issue, but there's just as much of an issue with false accusations that ruin kids' lives across the country. Maybe if this school loses a fortune over this, then schools will do their due diligence next time.
Would like to see the guy make an example out of the girl in court as well. Would make differences in some capacity in the future.
Would like to see the guy make an example out of the girl in court as well. Would make differences in some capacity in the future.
Problem is attending any school isn't a right, it is a privilege. Read the small print on any college admissions application if you don't believe it. As long as a college doesn't discriminate against any protected class then it is free to admit and dismiss whoever it wants.
So is driving a car, but try to get by in the modern world without a driver's license, not that I have ever experienced that nightmare.
Pretty soon breathing the air will not be a right, but a privilege, if our lawyers running the country can figure out a way to tax it-------and the problem is they are pretty good at figuring things out, AND they stick together like thieves, because that is basically what they are.
For those that are interested in this topic I suggest watching The Hunting Ground now out on Netflix. It's documentary about sexual assaults on college campuses and how institutions and even law enforcement is covering them up. Several alleged victims tell their stories including the women that pursued charges against Jamis Winston.
The documentary sites five different research studies that have been done on this subject and the rates of false reporting vary from a low of 3% to a high of 8%. So yes there are exceptions and Tubman may have been the victim of one, but no one here will likely ever know the whole story.
My take is there is a big problem here driven by money and reputation of colleges and I think the government is correct to turn the heat up on colleges and require they be accountable for their actions, regardless of whose idea it was.
The documentary sites five different research studies that have been done on this subject and the rates of false reporting vary from a low of 3% to a high of 8%. So yes there are exceptions and Tubman may have been the victim of one, but no one here will likely ever know the whole story.
My take is there is a big problem here driven by money and reputation of colleges and I think the government is correct to turn the heat up on colleges and require they be accountable for their actions, regardless of whose idea it was.
So, is this kid just supposed to take being falsely accused and suffer for the sins of those that have ACTUALLY committed the crime of sexual assault?
It is beyond ridiculous for a falsely accused 3.7 GPA student athlete to also become a victim as well. JMHO
It is beyond ridiculous for a falsely accused 3.7 GPA student athlete to also become a victim as well. JMHO
It is not free to cast a person in a false light damaging their reputation and future.
Law enforcement officers have told me how frustrating it can be dealing with colleges and their security. The PR motivation for the college drives what is reported/charged a great deal of time.
Ridiculous and hopefully unconstitutional. Rape cases in general are very dangerous because they incite such a strong reaction that it has potential to lead to prejudice.
These title 9 cases don't even pretend to have impartial decision makers, as required for due process. It's basically a summary finding of guilt.
If they both agreed the sex was consensual, why wasn't she expelled? Of course we know that would never happen, because it's female driven. Gender should be irrelevant. But it isnt.
These title 9 cases don't even pretend to have impartial decision makers, as required for due process. It's basically a summary finding of guilt.
If they both agreed the sex was consensual, why wasn't she expelled? Of course we know that would never happen, because it's female driven. Gender should be irrelevant. But it isnt.
I would suggest reading something factual and then reviewing the studies from a scientific standpoint and not relying on any expose on a subject produced to support an opinion and entertain. There is no question that athletic programs covered up criminal activity for their own protection but I have yet seen evidence that this was done for average students. The study that is most quoted is based on unscientific survey and then extrapolated to predict an epidemic of rape. I am not a proponent of protecting rapists but I believe in the constitution and the rule of law. The issue is not just privilege of having an education. These committees have ruined a number of lives and being dismissed from school by a committee like this carries a life long stigma. If we are going to punish people for alleged crimes they deserve a legal system that follows the constitution is based on the rule of law. That is all.
First, you have to prove that someone was "cast in false light". The school didn't make an arrest, bring charges. Lack of conviction <> proof of innocence. OJ was found innocent...how many people really thought he was?
While he was found innocent of criminal charges he was held responsible by a civil court jury. People lose jobs, are forced to resign all the time because they are charged with a crime...not because they are convicted. Tell me how this is any different?
Schools can only dismiss you from that school. You are free to apply to any other school so your future is up to you.
The universities are right! It is better to dismiss 99 innocent students than to let 1 guilty student stay in school. This has been a guiding principle since the founding of our country.
OJ went through a jury trial. No one believed the jury's opinion but that is what happened. Jury's can make a mistake but at least OJ got the trial. If you don't think being dismissed from school for rape isn't going to affect your ability to get into another school or get a job you don't understand the world. Being dismissed for rape is not like flunking out. Rape is not an academic issue, it is an extremely distasteful crime. Criminal guilt should be decided in the courts.
Under US law the accused is innocent until proven guilty. The responsibility is on the accusing body (local, state, federal) to prove guilt and the accused has rights to question the accuser and provide evidence. Criminals are found guilty when they are found beyond a reasonable doubt to have committed the crime. Civil actions have a lower bar of responsibility but both sides have rights not provided under this committee system.
There is no box to check on a job or college application that asks if you've ever been accused of a crime. They only ask if you've ever have been found guilty of a felony. I'm pretty sure that even asking that question in an interview is a big no-no.
Life isn't fair. Sometimes we are victims of circumstance, sometimes we are wrongly accused, sometimes guilty people get set free. Schools have to be responsible for the safety all of the students. The public holds them responsible for what goes on, on campus. Again, you are admitted at their discretion and can be expelled at their discretion.
Nope, from all I have read the burden of proof is SUPPOSED to be on the accuser, you don't have to prove you are innocent, they have to prove you are guilty. At least that is the way it is supposed to work.
Yeah, so far it hasn't caused Tubman any problems at all.
Maybe you should try to explain that to him. And yes, he will have no problem at all getting into Transfer U, but who knows, if he really isn't a criminal he might not like it there. Of course they do seem like a pretty safe haven for lots of them so IF he joins them "maybe" you are right in ASSUMING he is guilty. Of course considering the charge he might fit in better at TU.
The sad thing is that from these and your other posts you could give a $#%@ whether he did anything wrong or not, you are just worried about the money it MIGHT cost UK some day.
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That is true, and apparently it doesn't bother you at all.
Some things you can't change, some you probably should at least try to.
If you're serious and not just trolling, you're entirely wrong. It's exactly the opposite.
Tubman was not expelled because he was charged with a crime. A Kangaroo admin proceeding marked him as guilty when a grand jury said no true bill. The school provided credence to a charged dismissed as having no probable cause. What is the image of Tubman today? Who created that image? UK.
UK has placed him in a false light that the grand jury should have cured.
Try transferring to a school or getting a job in your home state after you are publicly expelled for rape and you case is covered by media in depth. You are right about colleges having responsibility for student safety and this should include all students, males as well. Schools are responsible for safety not prosecuting crime. There is a difference. Being dismissed for rape is something no one ever walks away from and there should be a fair process before ruining a young man's life. Punishment should be based on the truth and every possible attempt should be made to discover the truth. A couple of assistant professors in A&S, an assistant dean and a student are not equipped to do this impartially.
If there is a rape the rapist should be punished to the full extent of the law. If a student is proven to have a pattern of abusive behavior or rule breaking then dismiss them. Don't confuse academic misconduct with capital crime. By the way employers can certainly ask why you left Yale after 3.8 years and then transferred to some regional school to finish. All it takes is a google search of a kids name and the case will be discovered. You don't have to ask him if he committed a felony. This is an inherently unfair and illegal system in my opinion.
I have long believed that the great majority of our once-esteemed colleges and universities are close-minded and intellectually dishonest, what with their "free speech codes" and "safe spaces" that suppress freedom of speech. These Title IX kangaroo courts are just the natural extension of that process.
I am pretty sure gender is a protected class. That's the point many are trying to make. These male students lose any benefit of the doubt based solely on their gender. If a school official covers up a crime, by all means, charge him with obstruction of justice. However, incentivizing schools to punish innocent students is ludicrous. Expelling falsely accused students does absolutely nothing to help the victims of rape. It simply creates more victims.
Enter Lloyd Tubman...Youngs man's life and career are probably forever destroyed because of something he was never found guilty of , but because of some bleeding hearts is probably scorned the rest of his life.
Then you need to go on the Internet and watch it because that s exactly what he said...that is exactly why I posted to show the idiocy the left wing is going to and railroading guys like this young man, Lloyd and others...Young man's name is Grant Neal.
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Does "others" also include Jamis Winston or any player for Tennessee or Louisville accused of rape? Just trying to understand you're argument here.
I think there are still a lot of questions about the Tubeman situation, and I would hope that if innocent he could be exonerated fully someday, but there is just a little something disingenuous about being angry for "liberals" if it's a Kentucky player involved or someone on Megan Kelly's show, but happy when the hammer get's dropped on most everyone else, regardless if the facts are even known or not.
The fact is there are thousands of legitimate cases of sexual assault on college campuses that have been covered up and not dealt with they way they should to protect the reputation and interests of the colleges and in particular big money athletics. There are also situations were men were unfairly accused of something and suffered from it. The issue here is not to assume one side has a bogus argument all the time while the other doesn't. The issue here is a matter of fairness and justice in every case and how do we as a society move towards achieving that.
No it dosen't and if I come across that way I'm sorry, but not everyone who i s accussed should be kicked out of school simply because of being accused...like I sad again I urge you to go watch the show...we do that by allowing these young men due process...
not arc dog, but personally i won't watch because fox and megyn kelly are beneath me, and incapable of teaching me anything but just how dumb & credulous some people are
yeah the obama administration got this kid kicked out of school. right
scalia's bloated corpse says the founders knew and said nothing of the right to a football scholarship
ps screw both scalia and the slave rapist patrician scumbag founders