Merry Flipmas! Nickerson signs with State

ckDOG

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Does he play as a true freshmens? Would have to think the opportunity is there given what's ahead of him.
 

HailStout

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Seems the portal should be more important to Lenny than the HS class

What it tells me is that Lenny isn't afraid for his future

Which might also mean a lot of staff that many people think are getting fired.....won't
We flipped a 5 star safety, a 4 star edge rusher, and now possibly a 4 star O lineman. Come on man. 2 things can be true at once. The portal is VERY important, but getting super stud high school recruits is too.
 

Howiefeltersnstch

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Imo you build your team thru high school recruiting and fill holes with the portal. That's just me. I am sure we will be getting portal guys too. You cant succeed with one year patchwork teams tho. Team with the fewest game minutes via portal additions is Georgia and they seem to be successful. Looks like we are trying to sign a whole starting 5 OL for the future. I like it
 

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Womack signed

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johnson86-1

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We flipped a 5 star safety, a 4 star edge rusher, and now possibly a 4 star O lineman. Come on man. 2 things can be true at once. The portal is VERY important, but getting super stud high school recruits is too.
No doubt. The problem is I don't think we know the right balance. Paying to get guys that can't play immediately knowing that you will have to bid for them again the first off season after they've shown something on the field is a risky investment. What percentage of players are more likely to stick where they are for "fair" money rather than trying to maximize their payout?

We should have somebody, possibly a psychologist, documenting players that have stayed and transferred out of at mid tier P4 schools to determine what makes it more or less likely that they stay and whether there are traits we can identify in advance so we can focus high school recruiting on those type players.
 

patdog

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No doubt. The problem is I don't think we know the right balance. Paying to get guys that can't play immediately knowing that you will have to bid for them again the first off season after they've shown something on the field is a risky investment. What percentage of players are more likely to stick where they are for "fair" money rather than trying to maximize their payout?

We should have somebody, possibly a psychologist, documenting players that have stayed and transferred out of at mid tier P4 schools to determine what makes it more or less likely that they stay and whether there are traits we can identify in advance so we can focus high school recruiting on those type players.
I think it’s going to be easier to get those players early & keep them than to bring them in through the portal. And at least some of those guys should be able to get playing time next fall.
 

Howiefeltersnstch

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I think it was a good haul. And who knows, maybe tomorrow we will add either Cooley or Darby. Or both ? Now to not screw up the staff changes and then get some good transfers added that can actually play in the SEC. The we can be optimistic again until game 4 or 5 maybe
 
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Seems the portal should be more important to Lenny than the HS class

What it tells me is that Lenny isn't afraid for his future

Which might also mean a lot of staff that many people think are getting fired.....won't
We are still going to sign 25-30 portal players. Roster limit is now and 105 and you can use NIL to cover scholarships if you want to go over that. We are not broke, contrary to the belief of many.
 

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Imo you build your team thru high school recruiting and fill holes with the portal. That's just me. I am sure we will be getting portal guys too. You cant succeed with one year patchwork teams tho. Team with the fewest game minutes via portal additions is Georgia and they seem to be successful. Looks like we are trying to sign a whole starting 5 OL for the future. I like it
Georgia has also averaged 26 4-5* HS signees per year over the last four years. We've got 3 signed

If you can sign that many HS studs and manage to keep the bulk of them over the years, I think that your plan is 100% the way to go. When 95% of your class is 3* kids that aren't gonna be ready to play SEC ball for at least another 1-2 years, you better have a strong portal haul.

Lebby's in charge so he can manage this roster as he sees fit, but one thing I will say is that we're literally the only SEC team taking this approach of loading up on HS 3* kids, and considering the results from the last couple years, it's hard to not at least question it.
 
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Georgia has also averaged 26 4-5* HS signees per year over the last four years. We've got 3 signed

If you can sign that many HS studs and manage to keep the bulk of them over the years, I think that your plan is 100% the way to go. When 95% of your class is 3* kids that aren't gonna be ready to play SEC ball for at least another 1-2 years, you better have a strong portal haul.

Lebby's in charge so he can manage this roster as he sees fit, but one thing I will say is that we're literally the only SEC team taking this approach of loading up on HS 3* kids, and considering the results from the last couple years, it's hard to not at least question it.
I think that’s the luxury the blue blood schools have, they can sign the four stars and develop them, keep them for four years if they want, but the smaller budget schools rent them for a year or two if they are productive or sought after.
 

patdog

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Lebby's in charge so he can manage this roster as he sees fit, but one thing I will say is that we're literally the only SEC team taking this approach of loading up on HS 3* kids, and considering the results from the last couple years, it's hard to not at least question it.
Looks like we're signing 27 3* out of HS. Next most in SEC is 13, and 3rd most is like 9. Signing a 3* out of HS is a waste. Just take another 3* from the portal. He at least might be able to contribute.
 
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GloryDawg

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Looks like we're signing 27 3* out of HS. Next most in SEC is 13, and 3rd most is like 9. Signing a 3* out of HS is a waste. Just take another 3* from the portal. He at least might be able to contribute.
What's crazy, to me I felt comfortable with Mullen signing three stars. He either good at evaluating them or got lucky as hell.
 

patdog

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We flipped a 5 star safety, a 4 star edge rusher, and now possibly a 4 star O lineman. Come on man. 2 things can be true at once. The portal is VERY important, but getting super stud high school recruits is too.
ANY 4 of 5 star we sign is good news. Out of high school or portal doesn't matter. Take those players any time you can get them.
 

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Looks like we're signing 27 3* out of HS. Next most in SEC is 13, and 3rd most is like 9. Signing a 3* out of HS is a waste. Just take another 3* from the portal. He at least might be able to contribute.
It’s only a waste if you’re turning away a better prospect to sign them.
Get the guys in that you’ve identified as worth taking, give them 2 years to contribute and if they haven’t, send them on down the road.
 

patdog

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Wellshoot. Wish we had just signed the 3 guys then since 3 star players are a waste. Some of yall should be coaching. What about that 5 star kicker ? The mid twenties ranking ??
somewhere between completely ignoring 3* HS players and mass signing 27 of them is probably the right answer. I know we're not paying much if anything for them, but for about half of those that money, and roster spot, could be put to better use in the portal.
 

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Different world back then. Mullen was a great developer of talent. You just don't have that luxury in today's world.
Disagree. With the world of transfer portal and being a have not you still need to be a hell of an evaluator and developer because your better layers well be poached. Need to develop what you have and evaluate low talent that might be getting overlooked by the haves. Look at the Mizzou running back. Virtually a nobody before led the sec. Good eval and recommend by drink and Mizzou on that.
 

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Georgia has also averaged 26 4-5* HS signees per year over the last four years. We've got 3 signed

If you can sign that many HS studs and manage to keep the bulk of them over the years, I think that your plan is 100% the way to go. When 95% of your class is 3* kids that aren't gonna be ready to play SEC ball for at least another 1-2 years, you better have a strong portal haul.

Lebby's in charge so he can manage this roster as he sees fit, but one thing I will say is that we're literally the only SEC team taking this approach of loading up on HS 3* kids, and considering the results from the last couple years, it's hard to not at least question it.
So we aren't ready to apply our "strong evaluator of talent" label to Lebby the way we used to excuse Mullen?***
 
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patdog

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Disagree. With the world of transfer portal and being a have not you still need to be a hell of an evaluator and developer because your better layers well be poached. Need to develop what you have and evaluate low talent that might be getting overlooked by the haves. Look at the Mizzou running back. Virtually a nobody before led the sec. Good eval and recommend by drink and Mizzou on that.
I do agree there is a time and place for signing a 3* and developing him. But generally speaking, I'd rather let someone else (G5) develop him and sign him out of the portal as a JR. It has to be a mix of both. But as much as I'm happy about the flips we got today, I do think signing 27 3* players is too many.