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Mexican President Nieto said he may not attend meeting with Trump

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because of Trump's announcement regarding the initiation of construction of the wall in the near future. Nieto also threatened to withdraw from NAFTA.

Trump holds a hand full of aces and Nieto is doubling down. I realize Nieto is in political trouble at home and playing to his base, but intelligent people realize who holds all the cards.
 
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countryroads89 said:
Really?

All Nieto has to do is say f'uck you Trump and never meet with him. He doesn't have to sign anything, he doesn't have to agree to anything.
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Are you suggesting that Trump doesn't hold all the power, all the cards? Do you really believe Nieto is going to walk away from NAFTA? LOL. This is all about Nieto's political situation at home.

And NAFTA will be renegotiated, one way or the other.
 
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WVPATX said:
Are you suggesting that Trump doesn't hold all the power, all the cards? Do you really believe Nieto is going to walk away from NAFTA? LOL. This is all about Nieto's political situation at home.

And NAFTA will be renegotiated, one way or the other.
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NAFTA is already in place. Why would he sit down and negotiate with Trump when he knows Trump is trying to get him to pay for a wall? Nieto has everything to lose and nothing to gain. I'm sure he is loving NAFTA right now.

Nieto will say to Trump, come mierda.
 
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WVPATX said:
because of Trump's announcement regarding the initiation of construction of the wall in the near future. Nieto also threatened to withdraw from NAFTA.

Trump holds a hand full of aces and Nieto is doubling down. I realize Nieto is in political trouble at home and playing to his base, but intelligent people realize who holds all the cards.
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The moment Trump freezes Mexican repatriation funds he'll be dancing to a new Mariachi tune.
 
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countryroads89 said:
NAFTA is already in place. Why would he sit down and negotiate with Trump when he knows Trump is trying to get him to pay for a wall? Nieto has everything to lose and nothing to gain. I'm sure he is loving NAFTA right now.

Nieto will say to Trump, come mierda.
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NAFTA is going to be renegotiated. Canada has already agreed. If Nieto refuses, Trump will take unilateral action. The Dems won't filibuster, they don't want to tick off the unions any more than they already have. Nieto would put Libs in a terrible position.

As atl mentioned in his post, Mexicans currently send around $28B back to Mexico. Trump can simply stop the flow of that money. Nieto has zero cards in his hand.
 
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WVPATX said:
Are you suggesting that Trump doesn't hold all the power, all the cards? Do you really believe Nieto is going to walk away from NAFTA? LOL. This is all about Nieto's political situation at home.

And NAFTA will be renegotiated, one way or the other.
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Bow down before the tweetster. Mex prez should stay home, tell Trump to suck it.
 
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Democrats have been beaten down by these countries from Obama bowling to every leader in the the world
.We have a man leading now not an empty suited wimp.




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WVPATX said:
The Dems won't filibuster, they don't want to tick off the unions any more than they already have. Nieto would put Libs in a terrible position.
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I'd actually love to see this. Unions would remind the Dems where the votes are! (and the dead bodies too)
 
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atlkvb said:
I'd actually love to see this. Unions would remind the Dems where the votes are! (and the dead bodies too)
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It would be interesting to see how many Dems would support Nieto and not want to renegotiate NAFTA. Interesting indeed.
 
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WVPATX said:
It would be interesting to see how many Dems would support Nieto and not want to renegotiate NAFTA. Interesting indeed.
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The AFL-CIO, UAW, USW, IBEW, UFCWU, SEIU, HERE, were all against NAFTA.

If Trump is out to "fix" some of the imbalances in that deal which cost them membership and jobs, they will become some of Trump's biggest cheerleaders.

I think he already knows this having dealt with many of their leaders in his own businesses, but if he is planning on using them as leverage to wave under the Dems & Nieto's nariz...it'll be interesting to see how far the Left would be willing to push them (Unions) to keep NAFTA from being dismantled.

Interesting indeed. And Trump's dealing the cards.
 
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WVPATX said:
Nieto also threatened to withdraw from NAFTA.
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Wow, that would be bold. It will be both fun and challenging competing with Mexico in North America and the Pacific *snicker*. With TPP on the scrap heap, any trade agreements in the Pacific should be lucrative.
 
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PriddyBoy said:
Wow, that would be bold. It will be both fun and challenging competing with Mexico in North America and the Pacific *snicker*. With TPP on the scrap heap, any trade agreements in the Pacific should be lucrative.
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Nieto is playing to his people, showing bravado. NAFTA will be renegotiated.
 
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PriddyBoy said:
Wow, that would be bold. It will be both fun and challenging competing with Mexico in North America and the Pacific *snicker*. With TPP on the scrap heap, any trade agreements in the Pacific should be lucrative.
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Would Mexico really want to see Brazil replace them as our chief trading partner in Latin America?
 
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countryroads89 said:
NAFTA is already in place. Why would he sit down and negotiate with Trump when he knows Trump is trying to get him to pay for a wall? Nieto has everything to lose and nothing to gain. I'm sure he is loving NAFTA right now.

Nieto will say to Trump, come mierda.
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I wish you sold me all my cars.
 
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Trump holds basically zero cards. You wingnuts continue to show your ignorance.

Trump is making huge mistakes and unfortunately you people won't understand it until it is too late. It is just like saying repeal the ACA. Things aren't as simple as typical republican and libertarian rhetoric.
 
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dave said:
I wish you sold me all my cars.
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countryroads89 tries to come off like some sort of "superior intellect" well versed or steeped in the intricacies and deep analysis of important legislative initiatives, but when he posts he reads more like an AOL IM.
 
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I'd like to see Nieto attend the meeting but sneak across the border to do it.
 
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countryroads89 said:
Especially when it is trade agreements with other countries.

Repealing ACA is a piece of cake compared to trade agreements.
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Surely, you and your friend cannot be this ignorant. Trade agreements are renegotiated all the time. The UK is going to go through massive rounds of negotiation of trade agreements upon their exit from the EU.

NAFTA will be renegotiated. BTW, Hillary wanted to renegotiate NAFTA.
 
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countryroads89 said:
With all of the American factories already set up in Mexico?

Good lort.
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countryroads89, who says we HAVE to trade with Mexico? Those factories aren't the only place stuff can be built. Ever heard of Panama? Belize? Costa Rica? THE USA??????

You must have a Mexican honey stashed in Juarez somewhere?
 
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atlkvb said:
Would Mexico really want to see Brazil replace them as our chief trading partner in Latin America?
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Heck No! Mexico needs to catch their breath, realize the world is changing and negotiate a good place in that world. Anything short of a signed invoice will give lefties a reason to holler and make further fools of themselves. I don't care, let Mexico and the left win the hyperbole war. Just build the wall, start counting money and I promise I won't try to convince anyone that the money was a result of a secure border. I won't have to because the President will probably have a study done. Some news networks will spend 2 weeks debunking the study.:)
 
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atlkvb said:
countryroads89, who says we HAVE to trade with Mexico? Those factories aren't the only place stuff can be built. Ever heard of Panama? Belize? Costa Rica? THE USA??????

You must have a Mexican honey stashed in Juarez somewhere?
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I think the idea of trading with Mexico is a) they're cheap because they're close and transport costs are less and b) they're cheap because labor costs are low. You'd have low labor costs elsewhere in Central and South America too but transport costs would be higher. And as far as the USA, labor costs would be way higher. Companies didn't move production from the USA to other countries in the first place just for the heck of it. Much lower labor costs was the attraction.
 
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PriddyBoy said:
Heck No! Mexico needs to catch their breath, realize the world is changing and negotiate a good place in that world. Anything short of a signed invoice will give lefties a reason to holler and make further fools of themselves. I don't care, let Mexico and the left win the hyperbole war. Just build the wall, start counting money and I promise I won't try to convince anyone that the money was a result of a secure border. I won't have to because the President will probably have a study done. Some news networks will spend 2 weeks debunking the study.:)
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Mexico will take one look at their liquid assets in U.S. Banks and that wall will be paid for with free Tacos offered to any Americans passing through Mexican customs.

Who are we kidding?
 
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Op2 said:
I think the idea of trading with Mexico is a) they're cheap because they're close and transport costs are less and b) they're cheap because labor costs are low. You'd have low labor costs elsewhere in Central and South America too but transport costs would be higher. And as far as the USA, labor costs would be way higher. Companies didn't move production from the USA to other countries in the first place just for the heck of it. Much lower labor costs was the attraction.
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As things stand now a lot of what you posted is true, but a cursory look at a map of Central America shows that the Gulf of Mexico as well as the Pacific Ocean are pretty accessible if Mexico is no longer an option for US manufacturing operations. With US corporate tax rates and personal income taxes about to be substantially cut, American manufacturing suddenly doesn't look so expensive compared to Mexico.

Besides, if Trump cuts off Mexico's access to the US market, who do you think would be first to feel that loss?
 
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countryroads89 said:
Really?

All Nieto has to do is say f'uck you Trump and never meet with him. He doesn't have to sign anything, he doesn't have to agree to anything.
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You are right, and we don't have to allow trade of any kind with them and completely lock down the border. That country would implode on itself.
 
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DvlDog4WVU said:
You are right, and we don't have to allow trade of any kind with them and completely lock down the border. That country would implode on itself.
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There is an agreement in place right now, called NAFTA. You are an idiot. [laughing]
You just don't violate trade agreements.
 
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countryroads89 said:
There is an agreement in place right now, called NAFTA. You are an idiot. [laughing]
You just don't violate trade agreements.
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Why not? What is any country on earth going to do? Stop trading with the country that owns 90% or the worlds wealth?
 
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dave said:
Why not? What is any country on earth going to do? Stop trading with the country that owns 90% or the worlds wealth?
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There are conditions set in place. [laughing]

The idiocy of you all amazes me. "Unilateral demands". "Just stop trading". "Just force them to renegotiate". [laughing]
 
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countryroads89 said:
There are conditions set in place. [laughing]

The idiocy of you all amazes me. "Unilateral demands". "Just stop trading". "Just force them to renegotiate". [laughing]
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It is an agreement and anyone can walk away at any time. You really are a special kind of stupid.
 
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dave said:
It is an agreement and anyone can walk away at any time. You really are a special kind of stupid.
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[laughing][laughing][laughing][laughing]

I love you man! You are not ashamed to display your stupidity. [laughing] You throw it right out there and call me stupid at the same time.

There is an international panel that resolves disputes. You don't just walk away from an international trade agreement.

[laughing][laughing][laughing]
 
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