Does he really believe what he is posting? He can't can he? No one can be that naive, can they?
Mexican President Nieto said he may not attend meeting with Trump
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Does he really believe what he is posting? He can't can he? No one can be that naive, can they?
You've went beyond absurd. [laughing][laughing][laughing] It's like "Alternative Facts".
Read it and learn a little bit. A trade agreement becomes U.S. law after it passes both houses.
http://www.mining.com/web/could-president-trump-pull-the-us-out-of-nafta/
http://www.mining.com/web/could-president-trump-pull-the-us-out-of-nafta/
You should read a FTA. Every one of them the US has entered provides them with the right to walk away from one. You should seriously consider no longer posting, or at the very least, refrain from calling others stupid.
This quoted from your article is false.
"Could the U.S. President unilaterally pull out of NAFTA without Congressional approval?
Most likely, yes."
The President has to obtain approval from Congress to end the agreement. That is just the first step and there are other consequences, not to mention the cost of a lot of goods we receive from Mexico increasing.
I think when you know you are wrong but too stubborn to admit it, you multiply the gay laughing man emojis in some kind of psychological ploy to convince yourself that more people are laughing with you than at you.
They export Hundreds of Billions to the US every year, much of which is made up of Auto, Electronics, Machinery, etc. They can't afford to lose the US as a trading partner, their economy couldn't handle the lose of that revenue.
But he holds no cards....
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-could-really-mess-up-mexicos-economy/
I think that you are so stupid that you don't realize just how stupid you are. You must know that most of the posters on this board are intelligent enough to simply use common sense and understand that the U.S. Senate has no jurisdiction over international treaties. They can vote to enter or withdraw from international trade agreements but they can't simply void them.
All the laughing is how much you brighten my day by unabashedly displaying your stupidity.
LOL. You said we couldn't just pull out. You said it takes both countries. I think you even mentioned international bodies. LOL.
I do agree that Trump needs approval from the Legislative Branch. But I have read others that say Trump has the authority already.
Countryroads89...stop...you're not helping yourself Bro...the further you dig, the deeper you sink...just stop!
http://www.mining.com/web/could-president-trump-pull-the-us-out-of-nafta/
Pull quote from article:
Isn’t NAFTA a treaty that cannot be unwound unilaterally by a President?
No. U.S. trade agreements such as NAFTA, the World Trade Organization agreements, and many other bilateral free trade agreements (“FTAs”) are technically not treaties, but congressional-executive agreements approved by a majority vote of each house of Congress. Pursuant to the Omnibus Trade and Competitiveness Act of 1988 and the Trade Act of 1974 (“Trade Act"), Congress authorized the president to negotiate and enter into tariff and nontariff barrier agreements for limited periods, while permitting free trade agreements negotiated under this authority to enter into force when approved by both houses of Congress in implementing bills. Under this authority, NAFTA was approved by Congress in 1993 and took effect on Jan. 1, 1994.
I didn't say it takes both countries. I said there are ramifications. There are binational panels and other potential ramifications. Sanctions can be placed on a country.
Trump has to have Congressional approval. The Commerce Clause of the Constitution requires the approval to come from Congress, not the President.
Closest thing is Tosh.0
But it would be interesting to see where some of these people have gone.
WTF are those countryroads89?[roll][laughing][roll][laughing][roll][laughing][laughing][laughing][roll]
I destroyed dave, PATX and dvldog all three. Thanks for noticing. It's amazing they said stupid **** like "the President can unilaterally end NAFTA", "just pull out", "just stop trade", "the US Senate can end it"....cause everyone knows there are no ramifications for simply terminating international trade deals and the US Senate has legislative power over Canada and Mexico. [laughing]
countryroads89 Congress doesn't negotiate trade deals. WTF is wrong with you Man???????
(read the article I linked to in this thread)
Are you serious or just trying to see how far you can push us to officially declare you an imbecile?
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LMAO, you said we can't just pull out (we can). You said it takes both countries to agree (it doesn't). You said international bodies must be involved (they don't).
http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/06/news/economy/trump-nafta/
This article states that Trump can simply exit without Congress or the Senate.
"He said as president he'd negotiate for better terms with Mexico and Canada, and if they don't agree, he'd pull out altogether."
"Would he even have the power to scrap it on his own? Turns out presidents do have that power and don't need Congress. NAFTA's Article 2205, which Trump cited in his speech last week in Pittsburgh, is only 34 words and simply says that a party may withdraw from the agreement six months after it provides written notice."
I actually did think he needed Legislative agreement, apparently he does not, according to CNN.
Like I said, under the US Constitution, specifically the Commerce Clause, only Congress can alter our tariff laws. The President cannot. You know the President has no law making ability. We entered with Congressional approval and we must exit with Congressional approval.
I'm done on this one. You never admit when you are wrong, even when shown in black and white. Only after dumb dave convinced you that you were wrong on the "median" argument did you shut up.
And btw, Mexico and Canada are by far the two biggest consumers of American made products. So, good luck to Trump on ending trade with them.
I was just going to post this PAX to show countryroads89 that Trump can indeed do this on his own,(which is why he said it) but you beat me to it.
I posted earlier in this thread Mexico will be offering free Tacos at the customs gate by the time Trump is finished with them. Maybe countryroads89 doesn't like Tacos?
Apparently according to CNN, the language in this particular trade deal allows the President to walk away. You're argument is now with CNN. I thought it required legislative approval, but not so according to CNN. Is this article black and white enough for you?
http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/23/news/economy/trump-tariff-power/
From CNN Money:
Slapping tariffs -- or taxes -- targeted at specific companies would be very hard to do under current law.
But Trump has significant authority to unilaterally hit any country with a tariff. He doesn't need a green light from Congress, according to the Peterson Institute of International Economics.
"A president who wants to restrict trade enjoys almost carte blanche authority," says Gary Clyde Hufbauer, a trade expert at Peterson.
From CNN Money:
Slapping tariffs -- or taxes -- targeted at specific companies would be very hard to do under current law.
But Trump has significant authority to unilaterally hit any country with a tariff. He doesn't need a green light from Congress, according to the Peterson Institute of International Economics.
"A president who wants to restrict trade enjoys almost carte blanche authority," says Gary Clyde Hufbauer, a trade expert at Peterson.
Lol. In doing this research, I was actually surprised at how much power a President has over tariffs and how much power he has over NAFTA, based on the specific wording of that agreement. I watched a political show last week that said he needed Senate approval. Then I read that he needed approval from the entire legislative branch. Now, CNN apparently clarifies and his power is enormous.
Countryroads89 may be right, if you interpret Congress' approval of NAFTA as statutory (Law) as opposed to a "treaty" which can be unilaterally abrogated by the Executive branch since it is considered part of "Foreign affairs"
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-yoo-ku-trump-nafta-20161129-story.html
Pull quote:
The Constitution still preserves presidential initiative in foreign affairs. Trump can refuse to negotiate or sign new trade agreements, such as the Trans Pacific Partnership, which is why TPP is probably dead on arrival under the new administration. But the Constitution makes undoing a trade agreement, once enacted into law, as difficult as it was to make it in the first place.
Whether the United States should leave NAFTA is an issue open to political debate. But who gets to decide to leave is not. The Constitution requires that the president and Congress must jointly agree whether to leave NAFTA.
But the Commerce clause leaves room for honest interpretation:
http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/search/commerce+clause/articles/1/essays/37/commerce-with-foreign-nations
pull quote:
Although Madison undoubtedly believed that the power to regulate foreign commerce was exclusive to the federal government, the proposition is not obvious from the text. Elsewhere, the Constitution denies the states certain powers over foreign commerce (no treaties or other agreements and no tariffs except under very limited circumstances).
If that treaty has no binding effect as part of US Law (apparently it does not) Trump can tear it up and do it over under more favorable terms. It is not statutory, so he is not bound to seek Congressional "approval" to renegotiate it or leave it. Only their approval is needed to authorize the U.S. Trade representative to ignore it, or negotiate a new one for us.
I think CNN was referring to the specific language of the trade agreement that apparently gives the President this unilateral authority.
"Would he even have the power to scrap it on his own? Turns out presidents do have that power and don't need Congress. NAFTA's Article 2205, which Trump cited in his speech last week in Pittsburgh, is only 34 words and simply says that a party may withdraw from the agreement six months after it provides written not."