Michael Bourn to the Braves

MStateFan22

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Yet in 2009 he hit .287 with 8 extra base hits in 143 ABs.<div>
</div><div>In 2010 he struggled hitting .228 with 2 extra base hits in 118 ABs.</div><div>
</div><div>And so far in 2011 he is hitting .284 with 8 extra base hits in 116 ABs.</div><div>
</div><div>So the last 2.5 seasons he is hitting .267 yet you claim that he absolutely sucks against lefties. And in 2010, If Bourn would have gotten only 5 more hits against lefties then his average would have been .280 for the year. And we wouldn't be having this discussion.</div>
 

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his OBP against lefties that year was .325. not terrible, but nothing to brag about. and that was his best year.

batting average. you really just made a batting average argument while ignoring OBP. just go away, moron.
 

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<div>Now that is funny!</div><div>
</div><div>So I ignored Bourn's past OBP and I'm a moron. While you are ignoring Bourn's 2011 statistics and your not a moron? What's the difference? Both of us were ignoring certain stats to make our arguments appear stronger. But your not just ignoring Bourn's 2011 stats. Your also ignoring Beltran's 2011 stats by claiming that he would have been a huge upgrade over Bourn. The Braves gave up a MLB back up CF (who hasn't shown much of a future after getting caught using PEDs) and 3 pitching prospects. Two of those prospects just had a little "SSS" success and the Braves traded them while their stock was up. Those two (Clemens and Abreu) have maybe a 10% chance of ever having a significant MLB career and in return they got a guy hitting .303 (.284 vs L) with OBP of .362 (.321 vs L), 2x gold glove, and 2010 stolen base champ (while also leading this year). Plus Beltran is too old and slow to play CF, he will be a FA at the end of the year, and he is more likely to have an injury. Hasn't had a full playing year in 2 or 3 years.</div><div>
</div><div>But by your logic the Braves still missed out b/c they had the opportunity to give up more and get less in return by giving up an ELITE pitching prospect with a much better chance of a significant MLB career for renting a guy for 2 months that is having a worse year than Bourn. SF had to give up a top 35 prospect and currently ranked 15th among all pitching prospects (according to ESPN insider).</div><div>
</div><div>But all of that is okay because you can throw around the word moron and fool to make you appear like your more correct.</div><div>
</div><div>And since I'm up and not very tired I went ahead and got Prado's plate discipline stats from fangraphs.com to show your ignorance on that subject.</div><div>
</div><div>As of July 21st Martin Prado has watched the first strike 49.5% which is 2nd highest behind Jamey Carroll's 55.8%.</div><div>
</div><div>This season Prado's total swing percentage is 40.7 which is tied for 19th lowest in majors. So as you can clearly see, Prado is patient and doesn't swing the bat much.</div><div>
</div><div>But the reason for his low walk rate is simply because his contact% is at 90.6% which is 13th best in the majors. And also his zone% (percentage of pitches inside the strike zone) is 48.2% which is tied for 23rd highest in the majors. High contact% plus high zone% equals more balls put into play and fewer walks.</div><div>
</div><div>Good Day.</div>
 

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isn't a match.. he's a moron. Wait until he starts up on Francouer or hell even Dale Murphy...

AND YES boomboom I would have traded Beachy for the "right" player 2-3 years ago if that would have put us in the playoffs.. Bourn wasn't the need but there was stuff.
 

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I'm not ignoring anything. You just don't understand stats. I'm giving the proper weight to each, while you are going with whatever you want. 100 ABs means nothing. That's just something ANYONE who knows the slightest thing about baseball stats knows. He has a career 300 OBP bs lefties, therefore he is NOT an improvement over lefties. Period.

10% chance? Really? Well, if that were true, then you would be right. But I'd put it more at a 50% chance. For either. They are not A ball pitchers. They have had sustained success at AA. There are no issues with either. They just need the typical refinements to consistency and off speed pitches. 10%? Seriously? Moron.

I'll give you the prado part, if only to quit arguing with a moron. But patience is measured by pitches per AB, not first pitch. Look it up if you want, you may be right.
 

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You have me confused with someone else.

But I'm not surprised, if you would trade a top starter under team control for 6 years, for Bourn. That's the kind of thinking that ruins a ballclub. I'll put this a simpler way: if the braves win a WS this year or next, they won. If neither of those SP pan out, they won. Otherwise, they lost. And the odds aren't in their favor on either of those, right?
 

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They turned down multiple other teams. Clearly they thought they were getting a great return.
 

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They turned down multiple other teams. Clearly they thought they were getting a great return.
 

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for the Pirates.

These minor league "prospects" (prospects meaning they have never done anything in the majors worth talking about) are infinitely more replaceable than a gold glove CF, whether he can hit Left Handed Pitching or not.

the Braves right now have the following SPs for 2012...

Hanson
Hudson
Lowe (hopefully moved)
Jurrijens
Beachy
Minor
Teheran
Medlen (barring further setback but is better than all the guys traded)
Vizcaino (maybe a RP maybe not time will tell)
Delgado (would love him to have a full year in AAA next year)
Todd Redmond

You are saying adding a CF, who right now might be the 2nd most valuable bat in the lineup, at the cost of guys that would be at or near the bottom of that listing, isn't worth it....

You have no idea how tickets are sold.
 

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<div>And yea, I'd still say about 10% chance of them ever having a significant MLB career.ESPN article I recently saw showed that in a 10 year period of time about 200 minor league prospects were traded with 3-4 days of trade deadline, only about 20 went on to have a "significant MLB career". Looks about like 10% to me.</div>