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I was sitting around here thinking about rileys record at ore st and I got to thinking about how it compared with other coaches at cellar dweller programs around the country. I was actually surprised. This is a small sample size, but I just found it interesting.

Riley-ore st 93-80
Dan McCarney- Iowa st. 57-106-1
Jim Caldwell - Wake Forest 26-63
Jim Grobe -Wake Forest 77-82
Glenn Mason- Kansas 43-47
Terry Allen - Kansas 25-41
Mark Mangano - Kansas 50-48
RAndy Edsel- maryland -20-30
Indiana coach (forgot his name) -19-30

This certainly isn't an exhaustive list, and this post isn't a defense of Riley, or what we've seen through 5 games, but for me it kind of thows the "rileys poor win loss record" out the window. It's hard to win at these schools, and some of the coaches on this list have had success at other places.Specifically Caldwell,and edsel. Mangano had things headed in the right direction at KU too before he got himself in trouble.
 
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huskernation13 said:
I was sitting around here thinking about rileys record at ore st and I got to thinking about how it compared with other coaches at cellar dweller programs around the country. I was actually surprised. This is a small sample size, but I just found it interesting.

Riley-ore st 93-80
Dan McCarney- Iowa st. 57-106-1
Jim Caldwell - Wake Forest 26-63
Jim Grobe -Wake Forest 77-82
Glenn Mason- Kansas 43-47
Terry Allen - Kansas 25-41
Mark Mangano - Kansas 50-48
RAndy Edsel- maryland -20-30
Indiana coach (forgot his name) -19-30

This certainly isn't an exhaustive list, and this post isn't a defense of Riley, or what we've seen through 5 games, but for me it kind of thows the "rileys poor win loss record" out the window. It's hard to win at these schools, and some of the coaches on this list have had success at other places.Specifically Caldwell,and edsel. Mangano had things headed in the right direction at KU too before he got himself in trouble.
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Edsall had a 74-70 record at UCONN--so not that great. Caldwell has been okay in the NFL but he took over a well oiled machine in Indy. He probably won't survive the year in Detroit.

Out of your list...how many were offered big time head coaching jobs after the gems they had at these schools?
 
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And just think....Dr. Tom wanted Jim Grobe. Records would have been thrown out the window at that point. Laughing
 
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Edsall had a 74-70 record at UCONN--so not that great. Caldwell has been okay in the NFL but he took over a well oiled machine in Indy. He probably won't survive the year in Detroit.

Out of your list...how many were offered big time head coaching jobs after the gems they had at these schools?
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Caldwell may not last the year, but he did take the lions to the playoffs last year, and they we hardly a well oiled machine when he took over. As far as my list, none were offered big time coaching jobs, but one who I didn't list was gene chizik who was like 9-16 at isu, the took the auburn job and won an nt there. My point is I don't look at a coaches record and determine how good he is based off of record alone. That being said Riley needs to get this thing turned around quick.
 
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Edsall had a 74-70 record at UCONN--so not that great. Caldwell has been okay in the NFL but he took over a well oiled machine in Indy. He probably won't survive the year in Detroit.

Out of your list...how many were offered big time head coaching jobs after the gems they had at these schools?
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You mean like our previous AD wanting Jim Grobe?

I'm sure ISU wishes they would have kept McCarney and Mangino seems like a dream for KU now.
 
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huskerbaseball13 said:
You mean like our previous AD wanting Jim Grobe?

I'm sure ISU wishes they would have kept McCarney and Mangino seems like a dream for KU now.
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Tom wanted Grobe after a) he built wake from nothing and b) took them to a bcs bowl...not after a 5-7 season...I dont think its as much about the record, but of the recent decline...you can see the decline of osu over the past 3 years...not a good sign.
 
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Tom wanted Grobe after a) he built wake from nothing and b) took them to a bcs bowl...not after a 5-7 season...I dont think its as much about the record, but of the recent decline...you can see the decline of osu over the past 3 years...not a good sign.
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And after that Grobe went on to have a losing season 5 out of his last 6 years AFTER TO wanted him....so did Grobe all of a sudden become a bad coach after 2007 or was TO trying to hire a coach on the decline?
 
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And after that Grobe went on to have a losing season 5 out of his last 6 years AFTER TO wanted him....so did Grobe all of a sudden become a bad coach after 2007 or was TO trying to hire a coach on the decline?
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I understand that, but at the time everyone wanted Grobe as an up and comer...hindesight is always 20/20. Had we taken Riley from OSU after his 10 win season and almost Rose Bowl berth people wouldnt be up in arms. At the time there was plenty of validity for wanting Grobe, at the time there was not for Riley. Now, Im not saying he will never do good here, but you have to understand the context of the record and timing.
 
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I understand that, but at the time everyone wanted Grobe as an up and comer...hindesight is always 20/20. Had we taken Riley from OSU after his 10 win season and almost Rose Bowl berth people wouldnt be up in arms. At the time there was plenty of validity for wanting Grobe, at the time there was not for Riley. Now, Im not saying he will never do good here, but you have to understand the context of the record and timing.
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That's the point right....did Riley all of a sudden forget how to coach after his 10 win season? After TO tried to hire Grobe and Grobe went on to have a losing record in 6 of his last 7 seasons....did he forget how to coach?
 
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That's the point right....did Riley all of a sudden forget how to coach after his 10 win season? After TO tried to hire Grobe and Grobe went on to have a losing record in 6 of his last 7 seasons....did he forget how to coach?
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Essentially, yes. Both coaches had success, but did not adapt to the everchanging game IMO. Riley 10 years ago I think would have been okay...same with Grobe. But I dont think either has adapted well as of late.
 
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Essentially, yes. Both coaches had success, but did not adapt to the everchanging game IMO. Riley 10 years ago I think would have been okay...same with Grobe. But I dont think either has adapted well as of late.
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Apparently Grobe didn't adapt very well at all...right after TO courted him. His 31-43 record says so. But TO knows coaches soooooooo what do I know?
 
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Apparently Grobe didn't adapt very well at all...right after TO courted him. His 31-43 record says so. But TO knows coaches soooooooo what do I know?
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Thats what I just said lol. I think we are somewhat agreeing, but saying things different. And everyone misses on coaches occassionally. There were a lot of people that would have been wrong on Grobe. Same can be said of Dan Hawkins when he flopped at CU. I dont think Tom was off on either Solich or Pelini completely...I just think maybe he overestimated whatd theyd do. Solich would have kept consistency with the occassional great season and...I know a lot of people disagree with me on this and its purely hypothetical, Bo didnt do bad here and I think he would have gotten much better (like conf champion) within 5 more years given the right circumstances...but his personality didnt give him any leeway and it started to affect his coaching last year. Obviously that is JMO as there is nothing to back that up with. I think Riley will end up being a good transition coach to settle the program down and "get back to basics" basically.
 
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The problem with all the schools listed is that success is unsustainable unless commitment to the program gets increased under the long tenured coach or there is a unique system to recruit to, etc. KSU was declining at the end of the first Snyder era, same with Texas Tech, post Leach. TCU missed a bowl game a couple years ago. Wake Forest, post Grobe is terrible. Oregon State fits that mold. Riley's issue is that he didn't strike when the iron was hot. Think Nebraska basketball under Danny Nee for an example close to home. While he was a terrible coach, the results he was achieving proved to be unsustainable until the athletic department committed $$ to it.

I am not saying this to necessarily defend Riley, but I have always thought a direct translation of his record from OSU to Nebraska was absurd.
 
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The problem with all the schools listed is that success is unsustainable unless commitment to the program gets increased under the long tenured coach or there is a unique system to recruit to, etc. KSU was declining at the end of the first Snyder era, same with Texas Tech, post Leach. TCU missed a bowl game a couple years ago. Wake Forest, post Grobe is terrible. Oregon State fits that mold. Riley's issue is that he didn't strike when the iron was hot. Think Nebraska basketball under Danny Nee for an example close to home. While he was a terrible coach, the results he was achieving proved to be unsustainable until the athletic department committed $$ to it.

I am not saying this to necessarily defend Riley, but I have always thought a direct translation of his record from OSU to Nebraska was absurd.
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Mike Riley led OSU from a 28 year losing record to respectability and provided many exciting games that took down number 1's and very highly rated teams on occasion. Oregon state fans will always be gratefull for what Mike did at Oregon State, he ran a good pro set offense and was a very successful pro set coach, he had us one game from the Rose Bowl twice in his time here.

My opinion is that the Pac-12 changed over the last 5 years or so with the influx of tv money and moist teams used this to upgrade facilities and hire some outstanding coaches with the money. The new well paid coaches went more to a spread offense from the pro set and Banker could not or would not change his defensive schemes to stay up with the change. Now we have the problem of MR's loyalty to his assistants that required an act of congress to get him to fire or demote, this is an good trait normally but not so good in a d I coach.

In conclusion if you have a lot of pro set teams in your league, then Banker and Riley will provide some exciting football for you, if you play a lot of spread teams then you are in trouble as Bankers 4/3 with the d backs on an island will not work so well. We wish nothing but success for MR and company but seriously doubt this will happen until and unless he will bring in other coordinators that have stayed current with the changes in d 1 football.
 
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Those schools have much more resources than oregon state.
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They do now because they were built into winners. Miami's broke *** program still doesn't have the resources that Oregon State does.
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Not complaining...just shocked that TO would try and hire a coach with such a terrible record. What was TO thinking?
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That is a valid point. He basically named Solich as his replacement and then hired Bo--who you all hate. Guess being a great head coach doesn't always make you an expert at hiring coaches...
 
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kchusker74 said:
The problem with all the schools listed is that success is unsustainable unless commitment to the program gets increased under the long tenured coach or there is a unique system to recruit to, etc. KSU was declining at the end of the first Snyder era, same with Texas Tech, post Leach. TCU missed a bowl game a couple years ago. Wake Forest, post Grobe is terrible. Oregon State fits that mold. Riley's issue is that he didn't strike when the iron was hot. Think Nebraska basketball under Danny Nee for an example close to home. While he was a terrible coach, the results he was achieving proved to be unsustainable until the athletic department committed $$ to it.

I am not saying this to necessarily defend Riley, but I have always thought a direct translation of his record from OSU to Nebraska was absurd.
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I think part of what you are saying is that pretty much all the coaches who rebuilt or built (from the ground up) programs were more than coaches but also came in with a vision of what they wanted to be and a plan of how to do it...aka program builders. In addition they had complete support from the administration to implement the plan vs. taking over someone else's vision and adapting it to their own styles (which really only works when the program isn't broken). A lot of those were basically the co-athletic director for football.
 
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Are we trying to ingore the obvious academic hurdles this school has to jump?
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That academic thing is not impossible to get around. Richard Sherman went to Stanford. Plus, there is not a student in the entire world whose parents wouldn't love them to go to Stanford, so their pool is massive. Not to mention, if you have ever seen that campus in person, it is unbelievable.
 
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I think part of what you are saying is that pretty much all the coaches who rebuilt or built (from the ground up) programs were more than coaches but also came in with a vision of what they wanted to be and a plan of how to do it...aka program builders. In addition they had complete support from the administration to implement the plan vs. taking over someone else's vision and adapting it to their own styles (which really only works when the program isn't broken). A lot of those were basically the co-athletic director for football.
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What I was trying to say was that Nebraska has tradition and commitment to football that makes the program unique. While Baylor, TCU, Ole Miss, Stanford may have peaks where they are better, long term sustainability compared to their regional competition (Texas, LSU/Alabama, USC) is difficult.
 
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That academic thing is not impossible to get around. Richard Sherman went to Stanford. Plus, there is not a student in the entire world whose parents wouldn't love them to go to Stanford, so their pool is massive. Not to mention, if you have ever seen that campus in person, it is unbelievable.
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Yeah, that is why the Ivy League schools are amazing at football! (I kid, I kid)
 
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Riley-ore st 93-80
Dan McCarney- Iowa st. 57-106-1
Jim Caldwell - Wake Forest 26-63
Jim Grobe -Wake Forest 77-82
Glenn Mason- Kansas 43-47
Terry Allen - Kansas 25-41
Mark Mangano - Kansas 50-48
RAndy Edsel- maryland -20-30
Indiana coach (forgot his name) -19-30
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Only Kevin Wilson and Randy Edsel are head coach's at power 5 schools and both suck. Caldwell is an NFL coach and only found somewhat success until he made it to the NFL. All of these coaches basically are terrible so I don't get your point. It actually makes a statement that we should look at past records.
 
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Riley-ore st 93-80
Dan McCarney- Iowa st. 57-106-1
Jim Caldwell - Wake Forest 26-63
Jim Grobe -Wake Forest 77-82
Glenn Mason- Kansas 43-47
Terry Allen - Kansas 25-41
Mark Mangano - Kansas 50-48
RAndy Edsel- maryland -20-30
Indiana coach (forgot his name) -19-30
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Only Kevin Wilson and Randy Edsel are head coach's at power 5 schools and both suck. Caldwell is an NFL coach and only found somewhat success in the NFL but yet again people are calling for his head. All of these coaches basically are terrible so I don't get your point. It actually makes a statement that we should look at past records as things to come.
 
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BornNBredRed said:
That academic thing is not impossible to get around. Richard Sherman went to Stanford. Plus, there is not a student in the entire world whose parents wouldn't love them to go to Stanford, so their pool is massive. Not to mention, if you have ever seen that campus in person, it is unbelievable.
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Richard Sherman graduated 2nd in his class with a 4.1 GPA...so he is actually a pretty intelligent dude.
 
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Was that a highly competitive academic high school?
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Competitive or not a 4.1 is a 4.1. He also graduated Stanford with a 3.9 GPA...and was the first in 20 years to qualify for both academic and athetic schollie...so not quite sure where you are going with the whole "Richard Sherman is a dummy" thing.
 
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Competitive or not a 4.1 is a 4.1. He also graduated Stanford with a 3.9 GPA...and was the first in 20 years to qualify for both academic and athetic schollie...so not quite sure where you are going with the whole "Richard Sherman is a dummy" thing.
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Because he is a D-bag.
 
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I was sitting around here thinking about rileys record at ore st and I got to thinking about how it compared with other coaches at cellar dweller programs around the country. I was actually surprised. This is a small sample size, but I just found it interesting.

Riley-ore st 93-80
Dan McCarney- Iowa st. 57-106-1
Jim Caldwell - Wake Forest 26-63
Jim Grobe -Wake Forest 77-82
Glenn Mason- Kansas 43-47
Terry Allen - Kansas 25-41
Mark Mangano - Kansas 50-48
RAndy Edsel- maryland -20-30
Indiana coach (forgot his name) -19-30

This certainly isn't an exhaustive list, and this post isn't a defense of Riley, or what we've seen through 5 games, but for me it kind of thows the "rileys poor win loss record" out the window. It's hard to win at these schools, and some of the coaches on this list have had success at other places.Specifically Caldwell,and edsel. Mangano had things headed in the right direction at KU too before he got himself in trouble.
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This ought to enrage some Riley haters.
 
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Mike Riley's record at OSU means nothing at this point. It might have meant a little bit some months ago when the search was on, but thats done and over now.

No one is going to fire Eichorst or Riley over Riley's record at OSU. They are going to fire Riley for sure if he flops here, and maybe even Eichorst. But not for what was done at OSU.
 
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